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    Need help with injection


    I am trying to do my shot and I dont know wtf just happened but I felt like I hit bone then I felt pain kinda running up my leg, I am pretty sure I hit a nerve, tried again and it was going in easy then just stopped again, about 1/2 an inch in. I am not pressing too hard just applying firm pressure.

    I have done this successfully before and the 1st time I felt a transition from fat to going into muscle, 2nd time it was just smooth all the way, this time I keep hitting something. I dont like applying much more pressure than what is needed to break the skin.

    Can someone tell me what happened? Did I hit bone?

    I am using a 1 1/4" 23g going in outer sides of my thigh 90degrees to the skin, half way between waist and knee.

    btw Youtube vids dont really help especially when they dont dont even aspirate.
    Last edited by ItsHectic; 03-14-2010 at 09:30 AM. Reason: 23g not 33g

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    I watched a proper documentary on it from the military not some home video on youtube, I think my problem was I wasnt pinching the skin at all, so maybe I did hit bone?
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    What are you injecting that you need to go that deep? You are aware that testosterone sub-Q is a good alternative to muscle sticks? I use 1/4" 31g for both T and HCG. No chance for hitting bone unless I really mess up. lol
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    Long pin. I've hit nerves that feel like that. recently i hit nerves that made me feel numb. Scared the $... out of me.
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    You dont need to pinch the skin if you are doing IM. What the hell are you injecting with a 33 gage pin thats 1.25 long? IM injections are typically done with a 21 gage 1.5 long pin. Where are you injecting? How lean are you?
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    I am doing primoteston (T enanthate)

    The stuff comes with a 20g 2" which I find a bit too much as do others, I wanted to go 22g but most chemists dont have it they have 23g. My build is pretty average not lean not muscular. I definitely tore past a vein on the last unsuccessful attempt as there were a couple big drops of blood when I took the needle out, but I did manage to get it done in the end.

    I am still baffled with what happened though I am assuming I hit my femur, I was sitting down without my leg extended, but I havent heard of this happening before.

    Oops sorry realised I wrote 33g instead of 23g.
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    Enanthate is a little thicker than Cypionate, but 25 or 27g is still ok with it. 1/2" will still get it into the muscle where the skin is not thick.
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    So you were pinning the quad, why not try the glute? I usually used 1.5" but as phil stated you can go shorter, I have used 1" but not .5". If you would like to try a smaller needle, one trick is to place the vial in a bowl of hot water a min or two before your injection. Causes the oil to go in smaller pins easier.
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    a 2" needling into the quad? :| damn... do yourself a favor and go for the glute, or a smaller pin, and still into the glute. A 1" needle is more than fine for IM.
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    I would prefer glute cause I know theres less nerves and veins in the right area, but I heard thigh is quicker and easier, I might try glutes next time, I am using 1 1/4" but think I will switch to 1".

    Do you guys dart in it quick or go slowly?
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    Always quick, don't feel it that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsHectic View Post
    I would prefer glute cause I know theres less nerves and veins in the right area, but I heard thigh is quicker and easier, I might try glutes next time, I am using 1 1/4" but think I will switch to 1".

    Do you guys dart in it quick or go slowly?
    Get a 21 or 23 gauge 1 1/2 inch (1 inch if youre lean). Draw a cross on one of your ass cheeks. Draw a circle in the upper outer quadrant. Dart the needle in quickly all the way to the base of the syringe; pull back and then slowly and steadily inject the test.

    If you pin in your thigh get a 23 gauge 1 inch (no longer). Same thing, dart it in to the base of the syringe to the outside of your femur.
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    The 25 guage will work on most Test E Oils. You can warm the oil up to thin it out (less thick).
    For 10 years I have been taking Trenbolin Acatate and Test Prop intermuscular and have some sterile abcess and nerve damage. I had to inject ever other day due to the short half life . If I had to do it over again I would try to take HCG SUb and use a thin needle and warm up the gear to my body temp prior to pinning. Just trying to save you grief.

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    What areas do you have the nerve damage and abscess?

    And I am curious to know how come you are on tren?


    I have been pinching the skin and so far havent had any issues, I seemed to of hit a hard spot with about 1/8th of an inch left on the needle and thought **** it and injected and realised the needle continued through as I was injecting, aspirated again and just continued. I am guessing I am not relaxing my muscle enough.

    Punxweb it was on a military presentation from the 70s on youtube that pinching the skin makes the injection safer and less painful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsHectic View Post
    What areas do you have the nerve damage and abscess?

    And I am curious to know how come you are on tren?


    I have been pinching the skin and so far havent had any issues, I seemed to of hit a hard spot with about 1/8th of an inch left on the needle and thought **** it and injected and realised the needle continued through as I was injecting, aspirated again and just continued. I am guessing I am not relaxing my muscle enough.

    Punxweb it was on a military presentation from the 70s on youtube that pinching the skin makes the injection safer and less painful.
    That's true; if you pinch the skin and inject down to the base of the needle and keep slight pressure on it, when you let go of the skin it will continue on into deep muscle.
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    Instead of pinching the skin, try drawing it to one side so that when you remove the needle, the skin slides back on top of the injection site so no oil leaks out. Glute is preferred over thigh, studies have shown higher absorbed content, and I hear about less complications. As for making it safer, well you should be sterile and injecting somewhere there are no major vessels or nerves + aspirating, so safety really isn't at play here.
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    Damn never heard about glutes having higher absorption, is it significant?
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    I am thinking about raising my dosage, I am currently taking 50mg e3d which works out to about 115mg per week, not sure how my levels are but I am not exacly bursting with energy. I was prescribed 250mg per week btw.

    Awhile back, before going onto testsogel and just after andriol I had no Rx so I got myself some primo and was lucky enough to have my doctor give me a shot which was 50mg at the time and I felt great, it was in the glute so that coincides with the increased absorpion in that area.

    I see most you guys here are on 150-200mg per week in the upper range, which is what I am aiming for, I thought 100mg per week is the starting dose. It has only been 2 weeks now that I have been doing shots, have had no problems, not even any pimples which I had on arimidex + testogel. My follow up is in 2 1/2 months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsHectic View Post
    I am thinking about raising my dosage, I am currently taking 50mg e3d which works out to about 115mg per week, not sure how my levels are but I am not exacly bursting with energy. I was prescribed 250mg per week btw.

    Awhile back, before going onto testsogel and just after andriol I had no Rx so I got myself some primo and was lucky enough to have my doctor give me a shot which was 50mg at the time and I felt great, it was in the glute so that coincides with the increased absorpion in that area.

    I see most you guys here are on 150-200mg per week in the upper range, which is what I am aiming for, I thought 100mg per week is the starting dose. It has only been 2 weeks now that I have been doing shots, have had no problems, not even any pimples which I had on arimidex + testogel. My follow up is in 2 1/2 months.
    Don't quote me on this, but I think testogel or any topical testosterone converts more readily to DHT which could be a possible reason why you saw pimples when on it but not with the injectable.

    Your dose is probably a bit low at ~100mg per week. Why don't you just use the prescribed amount?
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    Cause I suspect my labs will come back high out of range on TT FT E2 and DHT.
    I will work my way up until I feel better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsHectic View Post
    Cause I suspect my labs will come back high out of range on TT FT E2 and DHT.
    I will work my way up until I feel better.
    I can see your point; I think I would be greedy though and run the full amount and then if say my E2 came back high I would adjust my AI to compensate.
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    Yea I know a lot of people in my position would just wanna run the maximum prescribed dose but I am trying to avoid adex, I was on it for about 2 years and it gave me a receding hairline when my E2 was normal, this time I am trying to avoid needing it, my e2 ended up too low and I had some crappy low E2 symptoms such as agitation and kinda like panic attacks. I think its best to try avoid the need for an AI all together based on my experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsHectic View Post
    Yea I know a lot of people in my position would just wanna run the maximum prescribed dose but I am trying to avoid adex, I was on it for about 2 years and it gave me a receding hairline when my E2 was normal, this time I am trying to avoid needing it, my e2 ended up too low and I had some crappy low E2 symptoms such as agitation and kinda like panic attacks. I think its best to try avoid the need for an AI all together based on my experience.
    I understand; I like your approach.
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    Most ****ed up thing just happened.
    I was at the end of the needle all the way in, aspirated well, no blood starting injecting, about halfway through I felt something either a nerve or a vein, I thought hmmm that felt more like a vein I better aspirate again, I must of been right above it and from movement hit it, aspirated and got 2 specs of blood. Pulled out and paced around for a bit waiting for something to happen cause I woulda injected abit into the vein. But nothing.

    Spoke to a nurse apparently injecting oil is the same as injecting air, all depends how much you inject.

    Here is some good info about injecting into a vein I come across: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=340272

    Also heard another story in the past that the person just tasted test in their mouth then blacked out and woke up moments after, so I am gonna believe now it doesn't cause blood clots.
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    Hectic, you are worrying to much man. I have put oil in the vein on accident and never felt a thing. From my understanding, basically the shot is wasted. No big deal. Not like you put 3 cc's of air in there.
  

  
 

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