Test-E - Needle Gauge
- 08-10-2009, 09:13 PM
Test-E - Needle Gauge
So for the past few months I have been self injecting test-e. My doctor was kind enough to explain the process, but then didn't give me any advice on needles.
Well the pharmacy is absolutely worthless when it comes to know what needle length and gauge to use.
So I've been going about this trial and error and am curious as to what everyone else is using.
What I have decided on is using a 21gauge needle to draw with and a 25gauge 1.5inch for injection.
The 25g needle takes awhile to inject with as I'm really having to push to get it out of the syringe.
I've been thinking of going to a 23g needle, but I have to say the 25g really slides in nice and easy. Part of that I think is due to using a different needle to draw up the test-e with so I'm not dulling the tip on the one used for injection.
Anyway, just curious as to what everyone else is using.
- 08-10-2009, 10:24 PM
I totally forgot what i used, but i had to switch mid way through my cycle. I ended up using a guage that took like a solid 2 minutes to suck up a mL cuz it was too small, but when i injected, it left no mark and i couldnt even feel it. I never bothered with switching the needle to draw and then a new one to inject. I think it might have been a 25 i was using. it was difficult to inject cuz there was so much backpressure trying to push such thick oil through a tiny hole.
just curious, when u pull the needle out, does some of the oil ever come back out? i had that problem. id leave it in there for a min after. duno whats the best way, but it worked most of the time.CELTIC LABS REP
- 08-10-2009, 11:17 PM
Check the thread in this section titled, Subcutaneous Test Injections Study. I inject SC twice a week with 30 ga insulin pins. Takes 2 min to draw and 2 min to inject, but no pain and little scar tissue.
08-10-2009, 11:20 PM
I would stick with the 25g pin and just start heating up your test. Set it in some hot water for a while before pinning or some people even toss it in the microwave for about 20-30 seconds. Make sure that it's isn't too hot when you inject, or it hurts like hell. I have been pinning tren-e dosed at 300mg/ml, thickest gear I ever used, and when it's warm I have no problem pushing it through a 25g.
If heating it up doesn't work and you're still having trouble then you will probably want to go with a 23g. Hope it works out.
08-11-2009, 01:41 AM
heating doesnt hurt the potency? id be scared of that, personally.
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08-11-2009, 11:23 AM
No with a 1.5" needle I never have a problem with oil leakage. The doc told me to do either an air bubble and make sure I aspirate. Or to stretch the skin to 1 side prior to insertion which is what I do.
08-11-2009, 11:24 AM
08-11-2009, 11:26 AM
Would I put the syringe w/ the test-e in the water, or the vial. Of course the vial can go in the microwave. And that kind of scares me. I could imagine heating it up to much and it burning like a mother going in.
08-11-2009, 11:33 AM
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08-11-2009, 04:11 PM
I have stable TT blood test levels dosing prescribed T-Cyp with 30 ga slin pins subcutaneously twice a week for the past year.
08-11-2009, 04:44 PM
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08-11-2009, 05:16 PM
Needles are so cheap I throw it away after each time...For heating I run the vial under hot water for a bit before swabbing the top and drawing.
08-11-2009, 06:28 PM
Just heat it up in the vial, been doing it myself for a while. If you put it in the microwave just do it for about 20-30 seconds depending on the quantity. It's okay if you heat it up too much just draw it and wait until you can comfortably handle the syringe, should just feel warm. I found that this also helps with dispersal after you pin, I get less soreness the next day.
And as far as potency goes, the temps at which most steroids break down and become less potent is usually up in the viscinity of 300-400 degrees so I doubt that would happen unless you microwaved it for about an hour.
08-12-2009, 10:44 AM
08-12-2009, 10:46 AM
08-12-2009, 10:59 AM
Beware putting a vial in the microwave...most of them are metal topped.
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08-12-2009, 11:03 AM
08-13-2009, 12:51 AM
why would anyone put their gear in the microwave when you could ziplock it and heat it with water? i pin right after a hot shower......i use a 22guage 3/4inch in the delts cause there is so little fat there. no oil comes back out. and i don't even heat my oil. i use an 18 guage to draw. and with the 22 guage in the delt i hardly even feel it. (until later on, haha) if you use a clean needle and inject into soft skin (after shower), you will have no probs!
08-13-2009, 04:57 PM
Fill up a microwave safe container with some water. Put in microwave for 1 minute. Now you done gots hot water.
Holding the crimped metal top, dip the vial in the hot water and swirl around for a minute.
You'll be amazed by the dramatic decrease in viscosity.
08-13-2009, 08:22 PM
This is how I draw, see attached picture.
Draw and inject with 3/10cc insulin syringe 31Ga 5/16" long needle.
I use BD syringes, some people complained that other brands needles have given them problems.
I use only these syringes,
Transporting water, going thru rubber stopper numerous times and on the end I use that same needle to do HCG shot.
Drawing oil thru 31Ga takes about 2 minues.
Sometimes I prefill number of syringes with test and HCG and am ready on the moments notice.
08-13-2009, 09:10 PM
Why are the two syringes stuck in a shoe?
08-13-2009, 09:35 PM
08-14-2009, 11:06 AM
I use the same method, excpet use two hands to draw. 31g BD insulin syringe, takes about 1 minute to draw out, I do .12ml per shot, which is about 25mg EOD.
Painless....I figure is diabetics can do this their entire lives, 20 years or more for me won't be that bad....
TS, when I did IM, I used 25g. I would heat up the syringe with T already in it, making the viscosity thinner under hot water...then inject...I just don't like the pain in the ass it is (pun intended).
08-14-2009, 12:35 PM
You ever try pinning the vastus lateralis techlogik? That's easier than glute, but SC is tops if you have the time I suppose.
08-14-2009, 01:22 PM
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08-14-2009, 03:06 PM
I was dosing 75mg twice per week subQ, and 400iu twice per week subQ, the day before each t shot.
I am taking 2mg arimidex per week to keep morning wood alive. E2 is high.
I recently increased my test-cyp to 100mg twice per week to try to increase my DHT which is on the low-normal end. Not working enough so I need dht cream.
I am on accutane and I have read that accutane inhibits T -> DHT conversion.
Sorry for getting a little off topic... thought this info could randomly help some peoplethis is the pathway to which Accutane (13-cis retinoic acid) works. It increases your IGFBP-3 hormone which prevents IGF-1 from binding to the androgen receptors. In turn, this prevents the production of Androgen which means a decrease in the amount of DHT (5alpha-dihydrotestoterone) that will be converted in the sebaceous follicles. Furthemore, it also DIRECTLY prevents the conversion of DHT by inhibiting the enzyme (3alpha-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase) neccessary for this function
08-14-2009, 03:50 PM
But you are not really that far over the top. What is your TT? Everyone is different.
08-14-2009, 03:54 PM
This catalytic conversion is reversible. So DHT can also be converting to androstanedione via this enzyme.
I don't doubt DHT levels might decrease, but I don't think the levels are going to be comparable to something like finasteride.
08-14-2009, 04:04 PM
I'm trying to figure out why 200mg test per week + 800iu of HCG only gives me a level of DHT at 27 (quest range of 25-75). Seems rediculously low. Accutane seems like the only possible reason. I've read it documented in many areas where it has lowered DHT in many people permanently. It could be that I am just a bad converter though..but that doesn't make much sense considering the levels I am taking. Also taking 2mg arimidex per week and that should also indirectly increase DHT.
08-14-2009, 04:05 PM
23 gauge 1 inch is perfect.. as for heating your gear.. really no need in torching your gear in my opinion
08-14-2009, 04:07 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if my TT is over 1500... but it doesn't explain my low DHT for these numbers. If my DHT is on the low end, maybe I could be low on TT / FT (or high on SHBG) even with that amount of test/hcg I am taking. I have to get tested.
08-14-2009, 04:10 PM
08-25-2009, 02:42 PM
The oil was definitely less viscous. For the first time, I actually had oil run out of the injection site when I removed the needle.
That never happened when I didn't heat the oil. So back to slowly injecting the thicker oil. Can't waste any of that life changing elixir.
08-25-2009, 05:06 PM
08-31-2009, 10:43 PM
When I was taking test, I used a 21 gauge to draw, and then pulled the plunger off of slin pins, filled them with test, and then re-inserted plunger. On shot days, I would heat the syringe in water. Worked like a charm. Never hurts. This is a great technique for those that prefer to shoot often to keep E2 down.
Hope that helps.
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