Do I need more cyp.

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Just received lab results. I have been on 70mg. of cyp. for about 3 years. I also was on 250iu's of HCG the 2 days previous to my test shot. I stopped the HCG about 6 months ago because I was no longer feeling the effects. Presently I have low libido, not so firm erections, and lousy recuperation from workouts. Janz or Matrix, does it look like I am on enough test? Here are my recent labs taken 4 days after last shot. Labs are from Quest.

chol. 153
hdl. 47
ldl 87
cortisol baseline,15 min. 30 min., and 60 min. all within range
comp. met. panel all within range
dht 42 Ref. Range 25-75
test. total 688 Ref. range 250-1100
test free 149 Ref. range 46-224
bio t 294 Ref range 110-575
shbg 20 Ref range 18-47
estradiol, ultrasensitive 25 Ref range < or = 29
cbc all within range
fsh <0.7 L Ref range 1.6-8.0
Lh <0.2L Ref range 1.5-9.3
Progesterone 0.7 " " <1.4
T4,free 1.1 " " 0.8-1.8
T4 (THROXINE), total 5.7 " " 4.5-12.5
TSH,3rd gen. 1.35 " " .40-4.50
DHEA sulfate 229 " " 25-240
total psa 0.4 "< or = 4.0
free psa o.2 " " ng/ml
 
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Just received lab results. I have been on 70mg. of cyp. for about 3 years. I also was on 250iu's of HCG the 2 days previous to my test shot. I stopped the HCG about 6 months ago because I was no longer feeling the effects. Presently I have low libido, not so firm erections, and lousy recuperation from workouts. Janz or Matrix, does it look like I am on enough test? Here are my recent labs taken 4 days after last shot. Labs are from Quest.

chol. 153
hdl. 47
ldl 87
cortisol baseline,15 min. 30 min., and 60 min. all within range
comp. met. panel all within range
dht 42 Ref. Range 25-75
test. total 688 Ref. range 250-1100
test free 149 Ref. range 46-224
bio t 294 Ref range 110-575
shbg 20 Ref range 18-47
estradiol, ultrasensitive 25 Ref range < or = 29
cbc all within range
fsh <0.7 L Ref range 1.6-8.0
Lh <0.2L Ref range 1.5-9.3
Progesterone 0.7 " " <1.4
T4,free 1.1 " " 0.8-1.8
T4 (THROXINE), total 5.7 " " 4.5-12.5
TSH,3rd gen. 1.35 " " .40-4.50
DHEA sulfate 229 " " 25-240
total psa 0.4 "< or = 4.0
free psa o.2 " " ng/ml
Your thyroid is under active despite your TSH
Your t and e2, shbg are good '
My concern would be your low t-4 total level (goal is 8-9) you have a ways to go.
One would also need to look at total t3 and free t3 levels to get an over pics of what is going on. your TRT does not look bad at all reason feeling like crap is most likely thyroid linked. If you are in the north east US pm me.
 

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Thanks Matrix for the quick response. Should I go to an endo to check my thyroid and if my thyroid is under active what would be the best protocal?
 
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Thanks Matrix for the quick response. Should I go to an endo to check my thyroid and if my thyroid is under active what would be the best protocal?
If your endo is open minded checking
total 3
ft3
reverse t3
TPO
TGAB
Cortisol am serum
i
Would be the next step I would persue.
If you are looking for located in the north east region of USA PM with a reference for a good MD that will get down to the source of your issue.
 

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Updated Bloodwork-- Am I Hypothyroid?

Changed Drs. Now on 200 mg. of cyp a week and no HCG. Still felt lousy so I had labwork done 3 weeks ago. Labs are taken 7 days after previous shot, right before my next shot. Shots are every 7 days. Dr. wants to see what my levels are at toward the end of the week. I used to do HCG on days 5 and 6 but after 2 years I was no longer feeling the effects. Two weeks ago I started taking .25 arimedex. I had total erectile dysfunction, was gaining around midsection, could not recuperate from workouts even on four days rest and just felt lousy. within past week my libido has been coming back and my workouts are starting to feel better. Is the arim going to do the trick or do I need to see endo about hypothyroid? Here are latest labs:

T3, free 296 Ref range 230-420
T3,total 99 ref range 97-219 ** is this the problem?
T3, reverse 21 ref range 11-32
test total 800 ref range 250-1100
test free 217 ref range 46-224
test bioavailable 428 ref range 110-575
shbg 15 L ref range 18-47
albumin serum 4.3 ref range 3.6-5.1
ultrasensitive estradiol 29 ref range < or = 29

with such a low shbg shouldn't my e2 be down around 17?
I am also concerned about low thyroid output!!
 

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TRT with any dosing schedule can raise estradiol due to aromatization. However, 200mg of T-Cyp in a single dose can help raise E even faster for you if that was your goal. :)

My doc knows that I divide up my dose. I shoot Mon, Wed, and Fri. Ask yours if that will help in your situation. I use 25g 1/2" needle. No pain most times, and very little at others.

Posts elsewhere here suggest that hcg is best done twice per week (350-500iu each shot), and not to be done on consecutive days, and not to be done on same days as T.

Receptors in the testicles need time to reset. HCG is the way to go if you want to keep some function down there (ie fertility, and also avoidance of shrinkage).
 

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How do you know your not "feeling the results" of HCG??? I didnt know you were supposed to feel anything from HCG. I thought it was just to maintain your testicular function.

You said you stopped HCG 6 months ago, and now you feel like crap...why did you stop? Who told you to stop?

Im absolutely no expert, but this makes no sense whatsoever to me....someone explain.
 
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Updated Bloodwork-- Am I Hypothyroid?

Changed Drs. Now on 200 mg. of cyp a week and no HCG. Still felt lousy so I had labwork done 3 weeks ago. Labs are taken 7 days after previous shot, right before my next shot. Shots are every 7 days. Dr. wants to see what my levels are at toward the end of the week. I used to do HCG on days 5 and 6 but after 2 years I was no longer feeling the effects. Two weeks ago I started taking .25 arimedex. I had total erectile dysfunction, was gaining around midsection, could not recuperate from workouts even on four days rest and just felt lousy. within past week my libido has been coming back and my workouts are starting to feel better. Is the arim going to do the trick or do I need to see endo about hypothyroid? Here are latest labs:

T3, free 296 Ref range 230-420
T3,total 99 ref range 97-219 ** is this the problem?
T3, reverse 21 ref range 11-32
test total 800 ref range 250-1100
test free 217 ref range 46-224
test bioavailable 428 ref range 110-575
shbg 15 L ref range 18-47
albumin serum 4.3 ref range 3.6-5.1
ultrasensitive estradiol 29 ref range < or = 29

with such a low shbg shouldn't my e2 be down around 17?
I am also concerned about low thyroid output!!
Reduce your total weekly testosterone dose from current 200mg/week to 175mg/week
but
change the way you are taking it.
Buy these syringes:
BD Ultrafine II U-100 Insulin Syringe 31 Gauge 3/10cc 5/16inch Short Needle

Using 200mg/mL testosterne enanthate or cypionate
fill syringe to 25 units (takes 2 minutes)
do shots EOD(EveryOtherDay)

If you are press for time, pre-fill 5-10 syringes at your leisure time.
Do not rush shots, it takes about 30 sec or little more.
I use only one hand, the other in my pocket, and inject into my glutes (mostly). No drawing back, insert needle straight until tip of syringe makes about 1/4" dimple, then press plunger.

Looking at SHBG in you original post and now this one, your body adjust very nicely to testosterone levels.
If you use EOD schedule you will end up someplace between 20-25 units per each shot, that is 140-175mg/week

Keep doing the BAT tests.

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Your thyroid is in dumps.
Very bad shape.
To adjust thyroid, first you need to have good adrenals.
You also need good mineral and vitamin support for both (adrenals and thyroid).

Best would be if you could do

Genova Diagnostics Hair Analysis (~$75 when prescribed by doctor, but insurance does not pay)

and

SpectraCell5000
Insurance pays for this test but usually there is residual of about $75.

If you want to pay cash, they will do the test without doctor's script.

At the absolute minimum, you need good amounts of ferritin, iodine, selenium, zinc and copper.

To support your thyroid you will need
until next thyroid test

50mcg-Cytomel(T3)
make sure that you are not taking any T4 with it.

You will have to keep on a side

Cortef, hydrocortisone or Medrol
if you find difficulties when taking Cytomel
that mean your Adrenals are shot and in need of support.

If that happens, best course of action would be to stop everything and concentrate on good testing first

supporting the weak points

after a while resume with Cytomel.


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My own Goals
DHEAs(500-640)mcg/dL(13.55-17.34)µmol/L------------------major player, 95% time overlooked
Progesterone(0.9-1.2)ng/mL
Pregnenolone(> 100ng/dL)
Estradiol, Ultrasensitive(25-29)pg/mL
Estrone, LC/MS/MS (23244X)
do not use Anastrozole if possible or minimize its use
BATest(342, 460-575)ng/dL------------stay around 342 if you need more than 1.5mg/week Anastrozole to control E2
DHT(60-90)ng/dL (I am active when it gets over or under this range)
RT3(0.12-0.32)nmol/L=(7.8-20.8)ng/dL
TotalT3 in upper 1/3 range (June09 LEF magazine) http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2009/jun2009_Using-Blood-Test-Findings-To-Induce-Weight-Loss_03.htm
FreeT3~400pg/dL or higher if TotalT3 goal not reached, but not higher than 450
TotalT4>bottom of range
FreeT4 rather low, do not know (yet) how low
Oral temperature (36.25 - 36.80)C = (97.25 - 98.24)F (no sinus or oral infections)
Ferritin(100-150)
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