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150mgs Test Cypionate?

NewAtThis10

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My HRT doctor has started me off on 150mgs of injectable Test Cyp. Is this a pretty-standard starting point for HRT?

What can I expect from the standpoint of energy, libido, body composition?

Stats:
5'11"
200 lbs
~15% BF
Natural Weightlifter for 20+ years
 
Very standard...I have been on 150mgs per week for years{Dr. Prescribed}, due to a medical condition and it helps immensly...Energy,libido and body comp will all improve.
 
don't expect anything for the first 4-5 weeks.

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NewAtThis10 said:
My HRT doctor has started me off on 150mgs of injectable Test Cyp. Is this a pretty-standard starting point for HRT?

What can I expect from the standpoint of energy, libido, body composition?

Stats:
5'11"
200 lbs
~15% BF
Natural Weightlifter for 20+ years
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You have to start someplace when you are low on testosterone.

Best is to have good blood test.
Testosterone is not the only thing that goes out of line.

See list of my blood tests, post #44, between blue lines, here:

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/66268-jans-bloodtest-april13-2.html

My own Goals
DHEAs(500-640)mcg/dL------------------major player, 95% time overlooked
Progesterone(0.9-1.2)ng/mL
Pregnenolone(> 100ng/dL)
Estradiol, Ultrasensitive(25-29)pg/mL
Estrone, LC/MS/MS (23244X)
do not use Anastrozole if possible or minimize its use
BATest(342, 460-575)ng/dL------------stay around 342 if you need AI to control E2
DHT(60-90)ng/dL
FreeT3~400pg/dL
Body temperature (97.8° - 98.2°F) (36.56° - 36.78°C); (36.6-37C)(97.9-98.6F)
 
biker340 said:
don't expect anything for the first 4-5 weeks.

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Unless he were to incorporate hcg. While on hcg + test-e, I could feel the spike from the test shot (even though it was enanthate) pretty quickly since you never dip too low while on hcg.
 
That's a pretty standard dose if you are diagnosed as secondary hypogonadism (testes still work). 200 mg/EoW is more common for primary hypogonadism (testes don't function).
 
Mass_69 said:
That's a pretty standard dose if you are diagnosed as secondary hypogonadism (testes still work). 200 mg/EoW is more common for primary hypogonadism (testes don't function).
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Why would the dose differ between primary and secondary?
 
Jansz, what's the beef with Arimidex? I've been on TRT for two years, but finally had to go on Arimidex after I started having night sweats again, I'm on 1mg/daily. I've tried DIM and resveristrol, but it just wasn't enough.
 
WTF !!! 1 mg ED ? thats entirely to much Arimidex...Your Dr. has no idea what he is doing. Estrogen is essential in the hormonal balance. At 1 mg per day your sex drive will wind up in the shitter and your joints will be killing you.
Pace2 said:
Jansz, what's the beef with Arimidex? I've been on TRT for two years, but finally had to go on Arimidex after I started having night sweats again, I'm on 1mg/daily. I've tried DIM and resveristrol, but it just wasn't enough.
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M16 said:
WTF !!! 1 mg ED ? thats entirely to much Arimidex...Your Dr. has no idea what he is doing. Estrogen is essential in the hormonal balance. At 1 mg per day your sex drive will wind up in the shitter and your joints will be killing you.
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Okay what is a more common dose?
 
.5 mgs is usually sufficient. Dex is pretty mild and 1 mg WON'T reduce your E too low due to the nature of the compound. Try .5mgs and if that's not effective, go back to 1 mg.
 
Thanks, this is my 4th doc in 2years and I thought I had a winner. I'll do .5 eod and see how that works
 
That's not correct at all !!! I have a close friend that was but on 1 mg of Adex per day and his estrogen was a ****ing 4 !!! It then cascaded into thyroid problems and adrenal issues due to the low estrogen.
DavesNotHere said:
.5 mgs is usually sufficient. Dex is pretty mild and 1 mg WON'T reduce your E too low due to the nature of the compound. Try .5mgs and if that's not effective, go back to 1 mg.
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M16 said:
That's not correct at all !!! I have a close friend that was but on 1 mg of Adex per day and his estrogen was a ****ing 4 !!! It then cascaded into thyroid problems and adrenal issues due to the low estrogen.
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Can you briefly expand on how the low estrogen would affect thyroid and adrenals?
 
Pace2 said:
Jansz, what's the beef with Arimidex? I've been on TRT for two years, but finally had to go on Arimidex after I started having night sweats again, I'm on 1mg/daily. I've tried DIM and resveristrol, but it just wasn't enough.
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I suggest following strategy (this is what I do for myself):
Very frequent testosterone delivery, daily transdermal, EOD shots
EOD HCG shots, on same day as T-shot (2 shots one day, nothing next day)
Frequent blood tests until stabilized, every 2-3 months

Blood tests at Quest Diagnostics, blood drawn at the day of the test before T shot.
These tests:
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once 37 IGF Binding protein-3
once 38 IGF-1
once 40 Cortisol Binding Globulin (Transcortin) (37371X)
41 Cortisol AM/PM
42 DHEA sulfate
once 43 Prolactin - (746X)
46 Progesterone, LC/MS/MS - (17183X)
47 Pregnenolone, LC/MS/MS (31493X)
48 Estradiol, Ultrasensitive, LC/MS/MS (30289X)
49 Estrone, LC/MS/MS (23244X)
50 Testosterone, Free, Bio/Total (LC/MS/MS) Code: 14966X
51 Dihydrotestosterone (204X)
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My own Goals
DHEAs(500-640)mcg/dL------------------major player, 95% time overlooked
Progesterone(0.9-1.2)ng/mL
Pregnenolone(> 100ng/dL)
Estradiol, Ultrasensitive(25-29)pg/mL
Estrone, LC/MS/MS (23244X)
do not use Anastrozole if possible or minimize its use
BATest(342, 460-575)ng/dL------------stay around 342 if you need AI to control E2
DHT(60-90)ng/dL
FreeT3~400pg/dL
Body temperature (97.8° - 98.2°F) (36.56° - 36.78°C); (36.6-37C)(97.9-98.6F)
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I use 31Ga 5/16"long needle 3/10cc Insuline syringe for both shots.
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I do this for over 2 years. After Aug/08 I got to the point that I do not need Arimidex anymore.
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Mass_69 said:
That's a pretty standard dose if you are diagnosed as secondary hypogonadism (testes still work). 200 mg/EoW is more common for primary hypogonadism (testes don't function).
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raw1973 said:
Why would the dose differ between primary and secondary?
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Because the testes still function in secondary hypo patients and produce small amounts of testosterone, hence the lower exogenous dose needed to obtain adequate serum levels.
 
M16 said:
That's not correct at all !!! I have a close friend that was but on 1 mg of Adex per day and his estrogen was a ****ing 4 !!! It then cascaded into thyroid problems and adrenal issues due to the low estrogen.
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That sucks for your friend. Maybe he's hypersensitive to it? Maybe he was on Winny concurrently? Dex does not interfere with the secretion of TSH so I don't know where the T issues came from. I usu run .5 mgs while on cycle and bump it up to 1mg for 2-3 days if my nipples start to get too sensitive. From everything I've read, dex @ 1 mgED will cut your E in half and most users can get the same effect from .5mgs. I've also read that 3 days of 1mg will bring your E down to near 0. From my experience, this is not true. Maybe it is true for others?
I choose to find out for myself what is true.
 
Yeah, arimidex is known to kill estradiol in most at 1mg/day, similar to M16's friend. The common protocol for TRT patients w/high estradiol is .5mg EoD or E3D. If that is not effective enough (usually is), then the frequency may be increased, or dosage increased to 1mg depending on your blood work.
 
NewAtThis10 said:
You taking anything else? HCG, HGH, an AI?

How long have you been on 200mg? I'd be curious to hear your results/timeline.
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HCG and Adex. im chillin on thre adex, actually was going to post and ask if it was even necessary. i am not nipple sensitive on 200mg a week, so id like to cut the adex out.


ive been on for about 16 weeks now, planning on staying on for a long time.
 
DT5 said:
HCG and Adex. im chillin on thre adex, actually was going to post and ask if it was even necessary. i am not nipple sensitive on 200mg a week, so id like to cut the adex out.


ive been on for about 16 weeks now, planning on staying on for a long time.
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What physical changes have you noticed in the 16 weeks? Are you a weightlifter?

One of the biggest symptoms of my andropause was the fact that I was working my butt off in the gym and eating a good diet and was still losing muscle mass seemingly every year. That makes workouts a drag, knowing that you're losing size instead of gaining or even maintaining. I know that it's taboo to say that your hormone replacement is for cosmetic reasons, but for me, the physical 'wasting away' (after lifting religeously for almost 25 years) was causing depression, lack of drive, and general feeling of "blah". So, to me, psychological and physical go hand in hand.
 
yep i lift, im 26 years old and all i could build at 6 foot was a 190lb soft muscle base.
the 200mg has helped me fill out alot.
 
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