Cortisol and building muscle...
- 03-08-2009, 11:24 PM
Cortisol and building muscle...
I'm taking Isocort and DHEA as apart of a regimine to heal my faituged adrenals. I was alittle concerned about the isocort raising my cortisol too high and prohibiting me to gain muscle. Is this true? I'm taking 8 pellets of isocort and 25mg of DHEA twice daily. Will this keep me from making muscle gains?
- 03-08-2009, 11:38 PM
The normal dose of isocort is 4 tablets, twice per day.
- 03-08-2009, 11:44 PM
Yes, I know...thats what I'm taking. So thats not too much cortisol? And it wont interfere with other supplements and more importantly inhibit muscle growth?
03-09-2009, 09:41 AM
03-09-2009, 10:07 AM
No it's not too much.
It's hard to build muscle with a fatigued CNS anyhow. Supporting your CNS will benefit training, and will likely bring test levels back higher too. I'm no expert though..
03-09-2009, 12:35 PM
Isocort is not standardized and compared to real HC (which I just started), it feels night-and-day different. IMO isocort has very little cortisol, which is why its OTC. It can help, but it depends how fatigued your adrenals are. Without enough cortisol I would need to stop working out.
03-09-2009, 02:51 PM
DHEA counter acts cortisol, correct? What time of the day should I be taking these, since I'm taking them twice a day? Does it matter? Does it matter if I take it anywhere near my workout. I thought that if I took it near my workout, it'll hinder my gains because the cortisol I'm taking would inhibit muscle growth.
If one is trying to heal their adrenals, should they not lift weights? I mean since i stresses the adrenals? Pretty much my main question and concern is will I be able to build muscle normally while taking Isocort(and DHEA)?
03-09-2009, 02:53 PM
Also I feel this would apply to you, even if your adrenals are weakened; training over 45-60minutes leads to a sharp rise in Cortisol levels, which is what you're worried about. So I would suggest having shorter workouts, no more than 45 minutes if you are worried about the damaging effects of cortisol.
03-09-2009, 03:25 PM
03-09-2009, 03:29 PM
03-09-2009, 03:46 PM
Also since I'm on the isocort and DHEA, am I able to take supplements sust as testosterone boosters and what not? I am avoiding stimulants and the like, but a testosterone booster doesnt fall under than category, does it? Also it wont negative interact with the DHEA, will it? Making either one of them useless?
03-09-2009, 04:53 PM
03-09-2009, 09:53 PM
How long are the people you know on Cortef? It isnt life long, right?
Ok, so things that are through the DHEA pathway I should lookout for. Something like T-Bol shouldnt be a problem right?Can't think of any supps that would interfere, except maybe something like testofen (fenugreek) that works via DHEA pathway. When in doubt, check with your anti-aging doc, hopefully you have one.
Oh and I actually dont have an anti-aging doctor...so I'm on this on my own. Thats why I'm not on cortef, and I'm on something like Isocort.
03-10-2009, 09:36 AM
Cortisol is not bad... without it you would die. Its bad to be too high or too low. Some people just need extra for a little while, allowing the adrenals to rest and repair. If the adrenals get too far gone, then yes they can require HC for life. How do you know you have adrenal problems, have you done a 4x saliva test? Its not good to guess, especially without a doctor.
03-10-2009, 10:04 AM
I used to think it was bad also, and used to do long runs of cortisol-supressants. Little did I know that I've already been living with low cortisol for years from stimulant abuse and little sleep coupled with a stressful lifestyle.
03-13-2009, 12:30 PM
03-13-2009, 12:39 PM
03-13-2009, 02:24 PM
Oh and you asked how do I know I have adrenal fatigue...I had ALOT of the symptoms and after research, I found a protocol which involved isocort and 50mg of DHEA daily for a year. Well I've been on that for almost 5 months now. And just about all of the symptoms have gone away.
03-13-2009, 02:49 PM
That's good that isocort worked for you, it did nothing for me. I just started on some HC in the am, and I no longer have that morning grogginess.
03-13-2009, 03:03 PM
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03-13-2009, 03:12 PM
I had forgotten what a good cup of coffee feels like. Normally it raises my heartrate without giving me any energy or helping alertness. I mostly drink one in the morning now out of habit now and for the taste and to keep the headaches away from caffeine withdrawl
I'm doing my adrenal test soon, it's sitting at home...I'm just not wanting to stop the HC now that I've tried it. But I will have to ween off it soon. Only doing 5mg in the am and using 4 tabs of isocort mid-afternoon to late afternoon.
03-13-2009, 03:15 PM
03-13-2009, 04:18 PM
Not completely sure...the adrenals are down regulated when on HC, so I'm not entirely sure how long you have to stay off it before testing natural levels.
03-14-2009, 12:32 PM
03-17-2009, 05:17 PM
For those of you on HC, did/do you have any side effects other than more energy in the morning? I am supposed to start HC 5mg, but mine is compounded sustained-release.
I have the same beliefs as the OP about taking supplemental HC, in that my body seems to be in a catabolic state as it is since I have trouble building muscle.
03-17-2009, 07:49 PM
I'm in the middle of cutting on a CKD, but I can let you know when I start my bulk.
I don't think 5mg of HC is going to cause problems. If you think about it, it's not going to be a supraphysiological dose, it's just an aid to already low/sluggish adrenals. It's not like you're causing big spikes like what happens with stress.
Also, if you think about it, as long as your test/cortisol ratio is favourable, you're going to be able to build mass. If you're always stressed out and have low test, it might be a little hard to build.
03-30-2009, 09:06 AM
03-30-2009, 09:22 AM
Yeah it should be a good combo... depends on why you have low test though. Don't take a test booster for more than 8 weeks, they only work for about 6-8. They don't work for everyone though. Which one were you thinking of?
03-30-2009, 10:09 AM
I'm just starting Thermolife's T-Bol.
So there wont be any alterations in the effects of the test booster, even tho I'm taking DHEA and Isocort? I think I'm about to stop taking them(isocort and DHEA). If you saw my other thread, it surely didnt help my total testosterone levels.
03-30-2009, 10:34 AM
You were taking androgel though I though, no? Or you were given a shot of test?
DHEA and isocort shouldn't have a huge impact on overall test levels. Maybe at really high levels DHEA could be a little suppresive over time...
03-30-2009, 03:39 PM
03-30-2009, 05:00 PM
Are you taking them for legitamite adrenal fatigue?
There's no harm in just stopping them. Isocort isn't powerful. How much dhea are you taking?
I noticed it only when I switched from isocort to hydrocortisone and missed a morning HC dose one day...I was falling asleep at my desk.
Why do you want to stop taking them?
03-30-2009, 06:10 PM
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