You need much more test without HCG than with it, right?

[NewAtThis10]

If I'm understanding things correctly (which I'm not guaranteeing I am), wouldn't HRT with HCG require much less testosterone than HRT without HCG?

If a patient has a normal test-level of 350 and starts taking testosterone alone, he has to make up for the shutdown of his natural production, so the first 350 you get from the testosterone shot (or gel) is just replacing what you had anyway. But with the HCG, you'd continue to produce enough test naturally to stay at 350 and the supplemental test would be in addition to that.


Is that correct? Because I would think a weekly injection of only 100mg and no HCG would probably lower or keep test about the same.

 

[jinxie]

If I'm understanding things correctly (which I'm not guaranteeing I am), wouldn't HRT with HCG require much less testosterone than HRT without HCG?

If a patient has a normal test-level of 350 and starts taking testosterone alone, he has to make up for the shutdown of his natural production, so the first 350 you get from the testosterone shot (or gel) is just replacing what you had anyway. But with the HCG, you'd continue to produce enough test naturally to stay at 350 and the supplemental test would be in addition to that.


Is that correct? Because I would think a weekly injection of only 100mg and no HCG would probably lower or keep test about the same.

There is some truth to what you're saying, though in most people, 100 mgs. of test cyp are going to produce a test level a whole lot higher than 350. At least 600, in most.

I've never heard of anyone that is taking a full dose of hCG, along with Test. I'd be interested to know how that works. Most are on some variation of the Crisler protocol (100-150 mgs of Test Cyp + 500 IUs of hCG/week) or hCG monotherapy (full dose of hCG, no test).

Hope that helps.

 

[JanSz]

If I'm understanding things correctly (which I'm not guaranteeing I am), wouldn't HRT with HCG require much less testosterone than HRT without HCG?

If a patient has a normal test-level of 350 and starts taking testosterone alone, he has to make up for the shutdown of his natural production, so the first 350 you get from the testosterone shot (or gel) is just replacing what you had anyway. But with the HCG, you'd continue to produce enough test naturally to stay at 350 and the supplemental test would be in addition to that.


Is that correct? Because I would think a weekly injection of only 100mg and no HCG would probably lower or keep test about the same.

Looking at research (posted as reference) I developed table that gives approximate TotalTestosterone levels due to T-shot, assuming that testis are shoutdown.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/66268-jans-bloodtest-april13-2.html
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One should get TT~776 when using T-shots, 100mg/week testosterone after the testis are shut down.

This is approximate, and the error may be (+-30%) when I compare to what people are posting.

I developed this table to help me switch over from transdermals to t-shots.
Worked rather good at the time. I need only minimal adjustments after establishing my first (approximate) T-dose.

90 720 xxxx 300 xxxx 250
95 748 xxxx 300 xxxx 250
100 776 xx5 300 14.4 250
105 805 xx7 300 16.5 250
110 833 xx9 300 18.6 250
115 861 10.8 300 20.7 250
120 889 xx13 300 xx23 250
125 917 xx15 300 xx25 250
130 946 16.7 300 x27.3 250
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When using (HCG & T) or any combination the goal is to achieve desirable BioAvailableTestosterone.
Totaltestosterone is only part of equation.
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My Goals
DHEAs(500-640)mcg/dL
Progesterone(0.9-1.2)ng/mL
Pregnenolone(> 100ng/dL)
Estradiol, Ultrasensitive(25-29)pg/mL
Estrone, LC/MS/MS (23244X)
BATest(342, 460-575)ng/dL
DHT(60-90)ng/dL
FreeT3~400pg/dL
Body temperature (97.8° - 98.2°F) (36.56° - 36.78°C); (36.6-37C)(97.9-98.6F)
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