[aisstea]

Age: 25

Well, tried some things:

With Tribestan:

Total Testosterone 404 ng/dL (260-1000)
LH 4.8 (1.5-9.3)
FSH 3.0 (1.6-8.0)
Prolactin 12.2 (2.0-18.0)
% Free Testosterone 1.5 (1.0-2.7)
Testosterone free 61 pg/mL (50-210)

Sex drive was good and mood as well. Not like many years ago but it was pretty ok. Tribestan stopped working after two weeks:-(



3 weeks later without anything:

Testosterone: 219 ng/dL (241-827)
free Testosterone: 4.8 pg/mL (9.3-26.5)

No libido, bad mood, joint pain



2 weeks later on 2.5g Androgel:

First two days were awesome. Amazing mood, no joint pain, awesome libido...

3. day stopped working.

4. day was the hell. Gained 7 pounds water, strong kidney pain and testicles burn like the hell

5. day tried 1.25g: the same pain...ganed already 8 pounds water. Thought kidney and testicles gonna die. Testicles shrinked a little.

6. day didn't take anything. Pain wasn't so big anymore. Lost 2 pounds...guess lost on water. Testicles hurt just a little

7. day, a little testicles hurt. Lost already 5 pounds water. Have almost the same weight like before. Kidney hurt just sometimes.



Well, today is the 8. day and my testicles are almost fine, I got also the old testicle size back. Androgel was just a waste of money.
My doc wants me to put on Clomid. I'm gonna get a testosterone bloodwork next week and then Clomid.

Will see how it's gonna be...

[JanSz]

Well, tried some things:

With Tribestan:

Total Testosterone 404 ng/dL (260-1000)
LH 4.8 (1.5-9.3)
FSH 3.0 (1.6-8.0)
Prolactin 12.2 (2.0-18.0)
% Free Testosterone 1.5 (1.0-2.7)
Testosterone free 61 pg/mL (50-210)

Sex drive was good and mood as well. Not like many years ago but it was pretty ok. Tribestan stopped working after two weeks:-(



3 weeks later without anything:

Testosterone: 219 ng/dL (241-827)
free Testosterone: 4.8 pg/mL (9.3-26.5)

No libido, bad mood, joint pain



2 weeks later on 2.5g Androgel:

First two days were awesome. Amazing mood, no joint pain, awesome libido...

3. day stopped working.

4. day was the hell. Gained 7 pounds water, strong kidney pain and testicles burn like the hell

5. day tried 1.25g: the same pain...ganed already 8 pounds water. Thought kidney and testicles gonna die. Testicles shrinked a little.

6. day didn't take anything. Pain wasn't so big anymore. Lost 2 pounds...guess lost on water. Testicles hurt just a little

7. day, a little testicles hurt. Lost already 5 pounds water. Have almost the same weight like before. Kidney hurt just sometimes.



Well, today is the 8. day and my testicles are almost fine, I got also the old testicle size back. Androgel was just a waste of money.
My doc wants me to put on Clomid. I'm gonna get a testosterone bloodwork next week and then Clomid.

Will see how it's gonna be...

Do not use Clomid.
Use HCG.

.

[aisstea]

Do not use Clomid.
Use HCG.

.

Because? I do not want it for long term. Some people react very long (long high test) on clomid and
hope a little that i depend to them.

[aisstea]

No answer? JanSz, Matrix and all the other smart guys?

[JanSz]

No answer? JanSz, Matrix and all the other smart guys?

Look at Eric's site (PP), he gives whole page of reasons plus another page of references.

[aisstea]

thanks, but what is eric's site?

[JanSz]

thanks, but what is eric's site?

Look at this articles:


Clomid & Nolvadex - The Dark Side
Side effects and consequences

HCG - Unraveled
A review of hCG use

[jminis]

Try HCG, clomid may raise test but you won't feel much of those effects as estro will be in the toilet leading you to feel like $hit

[aisstea]

Look at this articles:


Clomid & Nolvadex - The Dark Side
Side effects and consequences

HCG - Unraveled
A review of hCG use

you got me. won't take clomid. thank you. hope my doc will give me hcg.
How long do i have to take it to reach test=600 from my 219?

and how much? how often etc.?

Try HCG, clomid may raise test but you won't feel much of those effects as estro will be in the toilet leading you to feel like $hit

thank you, didn;t know that.... so why is clomid so popular?

[aisstea]

JanSz, I'm just a little affraid. I gained around 7 pounds of water in 3 days from androgel. I guess because of rising estrogen. I've been reading for an hour about hCG and is seems that it sometimes rises estrogen very high and for some people it doesn't work at all.... although it sounds still better then clomid. Clomid seems to be the hell on earth with all those side effects.... And I am someone who usually gets all side effects plus some absolutely new ones, like the burning balls on 2.5g androgel.

Well, started to read in my language about it. Well and it seems that I think I know why some people don't react proper on hcG. I read that it MUST NOT be injected into fat, just into muscle tissue. Reason is, that it gets bad absorbs. I read in this forum that some people don't feel anything and they injected it into the bally. The thing with MUST NOT inject into fat I have from two european universitys which did a studie about hcg+testosterone last year.

It seems, that they give it kids between 12-15 to rise the testosterone if they can't reach the puberty....very interesing.

I read that you should take 250-350i.U. twice a week into a muscle tissue. But which muscle tissue? where?

[JanSz]

you got me. won't take clomid. thank you. hope my doc will give me hcg.
How long do i have to take it to reach test=600 from my 219?

and how much? how often etc.?


thank you, didn;t know that.... so why is clomid so popular?

Starting from scratch.
Post all your blood tests in order, and what changes in your routine, if any that you have made between those tests.
Post analyte, its value, units, range, name of laboratory.

About your mind set,
if you think that you are real special case, respond in unusual way to treatments, there is little hope.
Try your best to be average.

Good luck.
.
.

[aisstea]

Starting from scratch.
Post all your blood tests in order, and what changes in your routine, if any that you have made between those tests.
Post analyte, its value, units, range, name of laboratory.

About your mind set,
if you think that you are real special case, respond in unusual way to treatments, there is little hope.
Try your best to be average.

Good luck.
.
.

Thanks. I guess it won't hurt me if even kids get it. Let's hope that my doc is gonna prescribe me it and not clomid.

That are all of my blood tests. There is also no post analyte.

[aisstea]

well, went to my doc today, got a new test bloodwork and asked for hcg. He said that he agrees with me that It'll be almost the same effect like clomid and that it has fewer side effects than clomid but he won't prescribe it me. He said that he always prescribe clomid and that's just his way. Damn!!!!

[spinn]

well, went do my doc today, got a new test bloodwork and asked for hcg. He said that he agrees with me that I'll be almost the same effect like clomid and that it has fewer side effects than clomid but he won't prescribe it me. He said that he always prescribe clomid and that's just his way. Damn!!!!

get a new DR.....there is no valid reason to prescribe a med with more side effects

seems like this guy is a fat idiot getting a kickback

[aisstea]

get a new DR.....there is no valid reason to prescribe a med with more side effects

seems like this guy is a fat idiot getting a kickback

...and he is a Prof. of one of the best universitys in the states.

[JanSz]

...and he is a Prof. of one of the best universitys in the states.

The higher they are the more out of touch are they.

When I got my ED years ago, I went to one of the highest standing doctors in Manhattan NYC.

He told me that I am old and my days of having sex are over.

First chance I have, I will screw his wife even if my wife is watching.

============================== ========================
First priority
learn what you really need

second priority
find a doctor who listens to you and wants to help you
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With this problems guessing is going to buy you nothing and waste lots of time.
You seriously need good testing.
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[aisstea]

The higher they are the more out of touch are they.

When I got my ED years ago, I went to one of the highest standing doctors in Manhattan NYC.

He told me that I am old and my days of having sex are over.

First chance I have, I will screw his wife even if my wife is watching.

============================== ========================
First priority
learn what you really need

second priority
find a doctor who listens to you and wants to help you
============================== ========================

With this problems guessing is going to buy you nothing and waste lots of time.
You seriously need good testing.
.
.

I am from New York, too. We may have (had) the same Doc.:-)
Well, I can't afford any testings in New York. I'm already more then broke.
I'm leaving NYC in one month for a couple of months. I have in my country an
insurance. Have already an appointment with the doc (endo.) for following tests:

Testosterone, DHEA-Sulfat, SHBG, E2, Prolactin, TSH, LH, FSH, PSA, Cholesterol, HDL, LDL, Triglyceride, Lipoprotein (a), Homocystein, Melatonin

[aisstea]

what do you say about the tests JanSz?

[JanSz]

what do you say about the tests JanSz?

Tests for what?

I have my list of blood tests that I do every 1.5-2 years, post #44 between blue lines, here:
Jan's BloodTest April13/2007

[aisstea]

Well, can't anything afford that cost more then 200 bucks. It is impossible to me to get the same blood work done. What I posted is a blood work that is affordable for me and how I think not bad for testosterone issues. That was my question, if you are at the same meaning that it is borderline enough for testosterone issues.

[aisstea]

I don't understand the world anymore.

First test:404 (on tribestan)
after two weeks: 219 (without anything)
and one week after stopped taking androgel: 629

Does it make a sense?

[Gutterpump]

Doesn't make sense, but let me know when/if you find a good doctor in NYC! I'm living here too.

[aisstea]

oh yeah I see. You live in Brooklyn. i'm from the neighborhood Murray Hill in Manhattan. Well, I'm leaving New York for around 5 months next month. So it'll take time till I'm gonna look for a new Doc. I found a good one in the country where I'm going to for 5 months. Have an appointment for beginning of march.

have you ever seen a good doc in New York?

[colkurtz_spf]

I don't understand the world anymore.

First test:404 (on tribestan)
after two weeks: 219 (without anything)
and one week after stopped taking androgel: 629

Does it make a sense?

Aren't you injecting HCG?

[aisstea]

Aren't you injecting HCG?

Yes, I've been since last week. I did the test blood a couple days before the first injection. It was about 1 1/2 weeks after the last tub of androgel.

[Gutterpump]

oh yeah I see. You live in Brooklyn. i'm from the neighborhood Murray Hill in Manhattan. Well, I'm leaving New York for around 5 months next month. So it'll take time till I'm gonna look for a new Doc. I found a good one in the country where I'm going to for 5 months. Have an appointment for beginning of march.

have you ever seen a good doc in New York?

I haven't yet, no. Thinking of travelling next month myself, to see HAN or DrJ. But it would be nice to have an open Dr here who can consult with them.

Which country? I'm also looking for one around Cologne in Germany.

[aisstea]

I haven't yet, no. Thinking of travelling next month myself, to see HAN or DrJ. But it would be nice to have an open Dr here who can consult with them.

Which country? I'm also looking for one around Cologne in Germany.

I'm going to germany, actually not far away from Cologne. I'm gonna tell you how my new doc. is.

And yes, it's so hard to find a good one in New York.

[Gutterpump]

Good luck! Keep me posted

[colkurtz_spf]

Yes, I've been since last week. I did the test blood a couple days before the first injection. It was about 1 1/2 weeks after the last tub of androgel.

629 is a normal number for a guy your age. Your numbers vary during the day. Is it possible that you drew at different times? Maybe you've reset your HPTA. I'm not saying that happened, but I don't think it's out of the question. You're very young. I have a daughter you age.

[The Matrix]

Pm me about good dr in PA..