Originally Posted by colkurtz_spf

I'm looking forward to trying HCG capsules. Imagine not having to travel with needles and refrigerated medicine.

Yes, keep us updated!

Originally Posted by LeanGuy

Yes, keep up updated!

I will!

well, there is no doc. in background. My doc. said that 250ui will work but didn´t want to prescribe me. He just wanted to give me clomid because that´s how he treats usually or basically

Originally Posted by aisstea

well, there is no doc. in background. My doc. said that 250ui will work but didn´t want to prescribe me. He just wanted to give me clomid because that´s how he treats usually or basically

I'm sure you know that Clomid is toxic to your liver, and cannot be used long- term. You better find another doctor.

Originally Posted by colkurtz_spf

I'm sure you know that Clomid is toxic to your liver, and cannot be used long- term. You better find another doctor.

Have a new doc. but he´s in another country that i´m ariving next month. I´ve got the appointment for march and he´s working with hcg. Just thought about start to taking it before...

2. day. No improvement in mood but therefor night woods and spontanius woods during the day... I like it:-)

Originally Posted by aisstea

2. day. No improvement in mood but therefor night woods and spontanius woods during the day... I like it:-)

That was fast... took me 2 weeks to feel anything. But I am really liking the way I feel now, I hope it lasts!

Originally Posted by LeanGuy

That was fast... took me 2 weeks to feel anything. But I am really liking the way I feel now, I hope it lasts!

It has worked three years for me. As long as your testes are good it should last. At your age, I imagine that will be for quite some time.

Ok, now it's different Bought new needles. Long very thin insulin needled. Took 1ml (IU) and gave it IM into thighs. First I had a muscle shrug. Than I gave it slow into muscle. It didn't hurt but was a little inconvenient. Anyway. It's been 10 minutes after and the muscle still feels a little inconvenient. But this time nothing got out of the muscle.

Originally Posted by aisstea

Ok, now it's different Bought new needles. Long very thin insulin needled. Took 1ml (IU) and gave it IM into thighs. First I had a muscle shrug. Than I gave it slow into muscle. It didn't hurt but was a little inconvenient. Anyway. It's been 10 minutes after and the muscle still feels a little inconvenient. But this time nothing got out of the muscle.

Why would you inject IM? I've tried both and personally feel subq gives better results. It could be the way it's released through fatty tissue.

It's good you have insulin needles, although shorter is better in this case. Next time pinch some fat around your abdomen and inject. It's quick and easy - you won't feel a thing. I'm sure you can find how to illustrations on the net.

I use these needles last two years.

Daily shots, one day T-shot, next day HCG-shot
I use one hand only to do my shots, the other hand may stay in the pocket, it is not used.

I shoot everywhere except bones, testicles, eyes, etc.
But it hurts when I shoot into my thighs, so I do not go there anymore.
I insert the needle fully until the tip of syringe makes about 1/4" indentation, then I press the plunger.
No pulling back to check for blood.
Syringe is 30-90degree (so almost perpendicular to the skin).
I have been warned that very shallow, right under the thin skin shots may cause allergy after prolonged use.
Not sure why would that be so, but just in case I do not do this type of injections.


http://hocks.com/Merchant2/merchant....Category_Code=
BD Ultrafine II U-100 Insulin Syringe 31 Gauge 3/10cc 5/16inch Short Needle--1/2 Unit Markings 100/b Price: $25.95

They also have other than BD brands, less expensive, I did not tried them, most likely they would also work.
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Originally Posted by JanSz

I use these needles last two years.

Daily shots, one day T-shot, next day HCG-shot
I use one hand only to do my shots, the other hand may stay in the pocket, it is not used.

I shoot everywhere except bones, testicles, eyes, etc.
But it hurts when I shoot into my thighs, so I do not go there anymore.
I insert the needle fully until the tip of syringe makes about 1/4" indentation, then I press the plunger.
No pulling back to check for blood.
Syringe is 30-90degree (so almost perpendicular to the skin).
I have been warned that very shallow, right under the thin skin shots may cause allergy after prolonged use.
Not sure why would that be so, but just in case I do not do this type of injections.


http://hocks.com/Merchant2/merchant....Category_Code=
BD Ultrafine II U-100 Insulin Syringe 31 Gauge 3/10cc 5/16inch Short Needle--1/2 Unit Markings 100/b Price: $25.95

They also have other than BD brands, less expensive, I did not tried them, most likely they would also work.
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Well, we have obviously the same effect in the thighs.

Originally Posted by aisstea

Ok, now it's different Bought new needles. Long very thin insulin needled. Took 1ml (IU) and gave it IM into thighs. First I had a muscle shrug. Than I gave it slow into muscle. It didn't hurt but was a little inconvenient. Anyway. It's been 10 minutes after and the muscle still feels a little inconvenient. But this time nothing got out of the muscle.

There is no need to flex the muscle when you inject, just relax, find a spot with no visible veins, and puncture quick. You can insert the rest slow, but the initial pinning through the skin should be quick unless you enjoy pain. The surface of the skin is where the most nerves are.

I also prefer pinning in the thigh. For some reason I have better results IM, pinning small amounts more frequently.

HCG is active for a long time in the body anyhow, so I don't see the need for pinning into fat to prolong the release, this doesn't make sense to me when something already has a long half life.

Originally Posted by Gutterpump

There is no need to flex the muscle when you inject, just relax, find a spot with no visible veins, and puncture quick. You can insert the rest slow, but the initial pinning through the skin should be quick unless you enjoy pain. The surface of the skin is where the most nerves are.

I also prefer pinning in the thigh. For some reason I have better results IM, pinning small amounts more frequently.

HCG is active for a long time in the body anyhow, so I don't see the need for pinning into fat to prolong the release, this doesn't make sense to me when something already has a long half life.

I didn't flex but thanks.

Ah, I thought that's what you meant by 'muscle shrug'. But no problem

Originally Posted by Gutterpump

Ah, I thought that's what you meant by 'muscle shrug'. But no problem

Why do you guys inject IM? Is there a benefit I'm unaware of?

Not that I know of, other than it was meant to be shot IM. I don't see a benefit of shooting sub-q, not with hcg. I can see why with test (easier, more comfortable shot - even though with test I still prefer a 1" pin IM into thigh) but IM with slin pin is like slicing butter with a hot knife, and I know that the shot isn't lingering in fat as well, I know that I am getting my intended dose on each day that I take the shot. The half life is long, so I don't see a need for delaying it's release as well.

Leanguy when do you test again to gauge your levels? It sounds like it's going well for you. I think it'll be a success. I was taking 250iu EOD and my levels skyrocketed. But I believe my estrogen levels were holding me back. Also, how does hcg make you feel compared to clomid?

Originally Posted by thenxtgrt1

Leanguy when do you test again to gauge your levels? It sounds like it's going well for you. I think it'll be a success. I was taking 250iu EOD and my levels skyrocketed. But I believe my estrogen levels were holding me back. Also, how does hcg make you feel compared to clomid?

I am due for next testing around the 1st. I feel much better than clomid, I think I'm building some decent E2 levels (mine was always too low). Night erections have returned, almost all night long. I am still sleeping too light though, that is my only complaint. Probably adrenals, I might try some low dose hydrocortisone next.

Originally Posted by colkurtz_spf

Why do you guys inject IM? Is there a benefit I'm unaware of?

i read in a german university study from last year that IM is more effect full. I think I know why it was uncomfortable, I did the shot in the front thighs and not in the side how it is recommended...

Originally Posted by Gutterpump

Not that I know of, other than it was meant to be shot IM. I don't see a benefit of shooting sub-q, not with hcg. I can see why with test (easier, more comfortable shot - even though with test I still prefer a 1" pin IM into thigh) but IM with slin pin is like slicing butter with a hot knife, and I know that the shot isn't lingering in fat as well, I know that I am getting my intended dose on each day that I take the shot. The half life is long, so I don't see a need for delaying it's release as well.

It was meant to be shot IM 10,000 IUs per week. I've tried it both ways and found neither to be uncomfortable. I don't inject frequently so that may be why subq works better for me. My results have been outstanding.

Originally Posted by aisstea

i read in a german university study from last year that IM is more effect full. I think I know why it was uncomfortable, I did the shot in the front thighs and not in the side how it is recommended...

My doctor told me to inject subq. I never asked him about IM. I suppose muscular scar tissue would be very slight with an insulin needle. I've injected in several places including the front of my thigh and felt nothing.

Originally Posted by colkurtz_spf

My doctor told me to inject subq. I never asked him about IM. I suppose muscular scar tissue would be very slight with an insulin needle. I've injected in several places including the front of my thigh and felt nothing.

well, you didn't do IM

But the same thing I've got, I read from many other users after a google search.

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Where is the most favorite place for you guys to give the shot?

I mentioned before that I've done both IM and subq. For whatever reason, neither caused me discomfort. It could be the syringe. I use a 5/16 "/31 gage pin. I have nothing against it - was only trying to help you. You seemed to be having difficulty. Subq has worked very well for me.

Check out my results first time around. You'll see how low my TT was to begin with. My Cenegenics Experience

Originally Posted by aisstea

well, you didn't do IM

But the same thing I've got, I read from many other users after a google search.

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Where is the most favorite place for you guys to give the shot?

Originally Posted by colkurtz_spf

I mentioned before that I've done both. For whatever reason, neither caused me discomfort. It could be the syringe. I use a 5/16 "/31 gage pin.

oh, sorry, didn't see that. Well, the discomfort is maybe because of my flu which i've been having since yesterday. It's the worst for around 10 years. Can't even speak... everything hurts.

And how long took it you to feel the benefits of hcg?

But i'm actually happy about the flu. I've got a cold for around 2 years and never got really bad sick. Seems that my immune system starts to work proper.... Maybe because that testosterone is rising IL-2.... what of course is very good. My TH2 is to high and TH1 to low... Since I have the imbalance I've got some chronically diseases.... what is probably because of the immune system imbalance. So I'm happy that I got a real flu...The Matrix, if you read this.... could I be right with my thoughts?... you seem to be the most knowledge here at such topics.

Originally Posted by aisstea

oh, sorry, didn't see that. Well, the discomfort is maybe because of my flu which i've been having since yesterday. It's the worst for around 10 years. Can't even speak... everything hurts.

And how long took it you to feel the benefits of hcg?

But i'm actually happy about the flu. I've got a cold for around 2 years and never got really bad sick. Seems that my immune system starts to work proper.... Maybe because that testosterone is rising IL-2.... what of course is very good. My TH2 is to high and TH1 to low... Since I have the imbalance I've got some chronically diseases.... what is probably because of the immune system imbalance. So I'm happy that I got a real flu...The Matrix, if you read this.... could I be right with my thoughts?... you seem to be the most knowledge here at such topics.

I felt the benefits almost right away. I think that within three weeks I was in really good shape. You can view my test results in that link I posted. It shows my progress over 10 weeks. I started with a total testosterone just over 90. I was badly shut down.

I hope you feel better.

Originally Posted by colkurtz_spf

I felt the benefits almost right away. I think that within three weeks I was in really good shape. You can view my test results in that link I posted. It shows my progress over 10 weeks. I started with a total testosterone just over 90. I was badly shut down.

I hope you feel better.

90, damn. that's low. I'm happy that it works so well for you. But I remember that your testo was over 450 before you started with testo gel. I'd like to know how your test would be if you stop taking hcg. Back to all time low?

It's like me. Felt it at the second day...but then got more and more the fllu...and benefits are away. Guess it's normal if you've got a flu. Ok, gonna watch out for your results.

Originally Posted by aisstea

90, damn. that's low. I'm happy that it works so well for you. But I remember that your testo was over 450 before you started with testo gel. I'd like to know how your test would be if you stop taking hcg. Back to all time low?

It's like me. Felt it at the second day...but then got more and more the fllu...and benefits are away. Guess it's normal if you've got a flu. Ok, gonna watch out for your results.

I stopped HCG for 8 months after one year of therapy and tested several times. My baseline fluctuated between 475 (my original number) and 600. I was using Vitrix when I hit 600, but six weeks later I was back to normal.

I'm noticing the hCG has less effect toward the end of the vial... is this common? If its a potency issue, I might increase the dose 50iu each week to compensate.

Originally Posted by LeanGuy

I'm noticing the hCG has less effect toward the end of the vial... is this common? If its a potency issue, I might increase the dose 50iu each week to compensate.

Did you swirl it a bit to prevent any settling? Otherwise I don't see why the potency should diminish as long as you don't have it sitting in your fridge for 1month+.