LeanGuy's restart saga
- 12-19-2008, 02:19 PM
LeanGuy's restart saga
Here's my 1 yr restart saga...
12/2007: Total T = 440, libido/ED issues
2/2008: Try TRT using compounded T gel
4/2008: Total T goes DOWN to 260, yikes!
5/2008: Start clomid 12.5mg/ED
7/2008: Total T = 760, libido better
10/2008: Total T = 500
11/2008: Start clomid 12.5mg/ED
12/2008: Total T = 930 (wow), libido just ok
So now my natural T is high but libido still just ok?! I think my E2 is still low... I'll be testing it again in a month. But my 2nd response to clomid was really strong... over the limit after one month. This time around I've been taking it with extra zinc, toco-8 and better sleep. Hopefully I can keep it going... there is no need to consider TRT since the boyz are obviously working well
- 12-19-2008, 07:31 PM
Since E2 can't accurately be measured during a SERM restart (AFAIK), controlling E2 is likely a guessing game. Have you done anything, besides relying on the Clomid, to bring your E2 up?
My Total Test is at 224 and I am, like you, far more interested in seeing whether I can avoid a life-long TRT regimen by attempting a restart. I recently ordered a supply of Nolvadex (liquid research variety) and will start my program in a week or so.
I'll be checking back for your success and comments. Hope everything works out.
12-19-2008, 09:45 PM
Good luck on your restart... post your progress.
12-20-2008, 09:28 AM
I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
12-20-2008, 01:34 PM
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12-22-2008, 10:33 AM
12-22-2008, 10:46 PM
I'm glad it's going well for you. I believe when I consult with my dr during the next visit, he will put me on either clomid or nolva.
I actually got a super high T level from HCG. But I would rather have it be that way in a more natural way. If that makes sense.
If clomid is not successful, I can always go back to hcg and tweak a few things. Is 12.5 mg ED a standard dosage?
12-22-2008, 11:21 PM
01-22-2009, 06:29 PM
Updated labs, blood drawn 2 weeks after stopping clomid. Its obvious high levels will not hold... FSH/LH have dropped quite a bit. Going to ask for hCG tomorrow. It amazes me... these labs look decent but I still have low libido, erections, sleep etc.
LH 2.8 mIU/mL [1.5-9.3]
FSH 2.9 mIU/mL [1.4-18.1]
SHBG 29 nmol/L [13-71]
Testosterone 697 ng/dL [241-827]
Free Testosterone 17.5 pg/mL [8.7-25.1]
BAT (calculated) 393 ng/dL 56.4%
Estradiol 22 pg/mL [0-53] *NOT SENSITIVE
DHEA-S 269 ug/dL [120-520]
TSH 2.074 uIU/mL [0.450-4.500]
T4 Free 1.10 ng/dL [0.61-1.76]
T3 Free 3.1 pg/mL [2.3-4.2]
Reverse T3 281 pg/mL [90-350]
Cortisol 14.8 ug/dL [3.1-22.4]
Prolactin 8.9 ng/mL [2.1-17.7]
Albumin 4.3 g/dL [3.5-5.5]
Glucose 87 md/dL [65-99]
HDL Cholesterol 72 mg/dL [>39]
LDL Cholesterol 100 mg/dL [0-99]
01-22-2009, 07:23 PM
i hope matrix can chime in on what other possibilities there are for having low libido / bad wood with such labs
could it be the thyroid low t4?
could it be low dopamine/neurotransmitters?
low growth hormone?
bad bloodflow? does viagra work well for you..?
01-22-2009, 07:59 PM
01-23-2009, 12:04 AM
Very nice HDL, leanguy. As a side note, you may want to try thyroid therapy. Your TSH is a little high, suggesting your thyroid is working hard. .5-1.0 gram of Armour may help your libido. Others have so reported.
I agree about Clomid potentially killing libido. Personally, I question whether your T level is the issue. Your level is at least average. Then again, maybe you are intended to have more than average. Have you tried deprenyl? May also be worth a shot, to kick up dopamine. Though, as I recall, you have experimented with increasing dopamine.
I know you've been at this for a while, and my heart goes out to you, brother. I hope you can find a solution soon.
01-23-2009, 10:06 AM
01-23-2009, 01:54 PM
I am by no means an expert but i can say this.. I have been going through similar situations as you..
My tt was 350-435 depending, as it was tested 3-4 times over a year with no DR wanting to help me.. After finding a DR who atleast would treat me, he gave me HCG (only one month unfortunately) felt great when on it, but feelings ceased when off.. My test just came back at 490 after being off for a month.
My DHEA-S came back at 280(never had it tested prior), and i have since added LEF Dhea, and my libido is on a STEADY rise, for the first time in over a year, i am getting desire, random wood, etc again. I have changed nothing but the addition of DHEA.
I plan to give an extended clomid restart a try in the next few months.
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