Dosing Test Cyp
- 12-11-2008, 08:59 PM
Dosing Test Cyp
Looking to hear the latest opinions on dosing Test Cyp when using hCG. It seems that the consensus is that it's best to dose it twice per week. As I recall, Dr. John prefers once per week.
Also, Jan, are you using a 5/16", 31 gauge slin pin to inject test cyp? Anyone else doing this with success? I have a whole lot of insulin pins, so I may give it a shot if it's not a pain in the ass to pull the oil.
- 12-11-2008, 10:42 PM
- 12-11-2008, 11:38 PM
Jan, does the SQ injection increase risk of elevated E2, as far as you know? As I recall, Dr. John strongly states that T should be injected IM. Maybe it has something to do with efficacy, because of it being oil based.
12-12-2008, 08:54 PM
12-12-2008, 09:04 PM
Did the e2 issues resolve once you found your sweet spot in terms of frequency and dose? My e2 would be well over 100 with that protocol. Then again, I respond strongly to hCG, and I am assuming that you don't respond much in terms of T production. Have you found that the hCG does much for you, other than aesthetics?
12-13-2008, 01:55 PM
means that you are using too much of it, reduce dose.
Do not use more HCG than it can be comfortably controlled with 1.5mg/week of Arimidex.
When we start talking about your fertility, in your case we may have to relax E2 rules until conception.
Fertility doctors do not even test for testosterone or estrodial or DHT, they just pump HCG (6000-10000iu/week) and latter HMG.
We here try to accomplish fertility wih minimum compromise to other heath issues.
12-13-2008, 03:15 PM
Thanks for the advice.
12-13-2008, 08:12 PM
12-14-2008, 12:46 AM
12-14-2008, 11:07 PM
12-15-2008, 12:04 AM
It's one of those things where it is impossible to know without trying. I've been entirely happy with hCG monotherapy, and would be content to stay on track but for my nagging injuries. I wish I was up for HGH, as I even have a doc that mentioned he was open to it given my health issues. But, alas, I just don't want to add a whole new line of treatment to my regimen at this juncture, particularly such a spendy one.
Thanks for the feedback. I want to be kept honets.
12-15-2008, 01:31 PM
Two of them may be of some use for you.
Supraspinatus tendon reattached (shoulder area).
Distal biceps tendon reattached (elbow area).
With first I had tremendous amount of pain before and specially after surgery, had to wait over 4 months to have any use of hand, took up to 1.5 years before I was able to forgot about it.
The second one, no pain breaking it, no pain after surgery.
Just completed 120days after surgery and got release from my doc.
Other than staying in good health there is no way to speed tendons healing (re-attachment).
Not even when using Natural Stem Cell Theraphy.
Stem cell theraphy is very usefull in recovering from strains (but not when complete break is involved).
12-17-2008, 12:06 PM
12-17-2008, 12:35 PM
12-17-2008, 10:25 PM
12-18-2008, 02:19 PM
=55*7/2=96.25mg/week Test (kind of low)
=250*7/4=437.5 iu/week HCG (kind of very low)
Wish you luck.
Per research, body production of HCG can be replaced by 306iu/EOD
with 10% margin
I suggest 380iu/EOD (if that ends up with still too much E2, reduce to 300iu).
Remember, more frequent schedule, either T or hcg, less problems with E2.
Bottom of post #62
Your testis are producing testosterone when stimulated by HCG. They just do not produce enough of it.
You have used additional HCG, ended with only litle extra TT and a lots of E2.
On 380iu/EOD you should not produce too much E2 (hopefully) but you should get all your natural testosterone that your testis are able to produce under normal stimulation.
The 55mg/E4D=96.25mg/week may or may not be sufficient
DHT top of range
My testis are not producing testosterone.
I use 50mg/EOD=50*7/2=175mg/week
12-19-2008, 01:46 AM
Thanks Jan. 100 mgs per week of test, along with 500 mgs of hCG brought me about top of TT range at trough. That was on the Crisler protocol. This is essentially the same dose, but greater frequency, which should be more efficient. It should place me at the upper end of the range. If I took all that hCG, my E2 would be over 120, and my TT would be 1600+ at trough. Trust me on that.
It's hard to infer much from a few days, but so far, so good on 1 T shot and 1 hCG shot.
My SHGB is 36, if you wanna consult your chart for me. It's possible that my test shots should be slightly higher -- 60-70 mgs each. What's your magic 8 ball chart say?
Thanks for your reply and any further insight, bud.
12-19-2008, 03:01 PM
12-19-2008, 07:32 PM
I'll see how this goes. It should be better than shooting Test once per week. I'm mid stream between Crisler's protocol's and Jan's song. Thanks bud.
12-20-2008, 03:41 PM
NovoFine® 32G Tip needle, a 6mm needle.
It is used in insuline pen.
There must be a way to use them for T & HCG injections.
I have seen opinions that it is ok to inject (say in restaurant) thru shirt without disinfecting the skin.
Possibly someone familiar with insulin pens chime in.
I use 31Ga 5/15" long needlles.
one day 1 T-shot
next day 2 hots, HCG & B12
Infrequent shots = higher E2 levels.
I am guessing that it should be possible to dump insuline from this pen and refeel it with depo-testosterone.
Needles are replaceable for each shot. On the end of pen there is a rubber stopper for insertig the needle.
I see that the max shot size is 32 units, I use 25 units EOD for my T injections and 15-20 units for HCG (300-400).
Levemir® comes in Levemir® FlexPen®.
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