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    19 year old very low bone mineral density... GH candidate?


    Hi,

    I have recently found out i have a very low bone mineral density through a DEXA scan particularly in my spine. I have recently been having joint aches, pains and clicking in my knees, pelvic bone and spine. I have also been training for the past year and a half 3 days a week consistently so this is the only thing that has strengthened my bones and my good nutrition and supplement schedule.

    Am i a candidate for GH replacement therapy?

    I am STILL waiting to be put on testosterone replacement!!! I have also recently done a 24 hour urinary cortisol and ACTH stimulation test.


    Here are my recent endocrine results I dont know the ranges they weren't provided! lol but its all freaken low you get the picture:

    TSH: 7.8 (0.5 - 4.00)
    Free T4: 13.7 (8 - 22)

    LH: 1.7 IU/L * ( 2.0 - 10.0)
    FSH: 3.5 IU/L *
    Prolactin: 13.9 ng/ml
    Testosterone: 10.1 nmol/L (12 - 32) *
    SHBG: 45.3 nmol/L *

    ACTH: 15.3 pmol/L (2 - 12) *
    Cortisol: 510 nmol/L *
    Growth Hormone: 0.8 mU/L *
    DHEA's: 3.2 umol/L *
    Androstenedione Level: 6.5 nmol/L *
    Oestradiol Level: 73 pmol/L *
    IGF-1: 33.4 nmol/L *

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    Also i seem to be having intestinal malabsorbtion from what i can tell... im eating a lot and still losing weight now.

    The problems go on and on...

    My plan is to do the Nutra Evaluation and go from their and to being hormone replacement.

    Does anybody know if i can do Genova Diagnostics testing in my city? They are located in Melbourne, Australia and i am in Sydney...

    And is anybody aware of endocrine problems causing gastrointestinal problems?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MetalMX View Post
    Also i seem to be having intestinal malabsorbtion from what i can tell... im eating a lot and still losing weight now.

    The problems go on and on...

    My plan is to do the Nutra Evaluation and go from their and to being hormone replacement.

    Does anybody know if i can do Genova Diagnostics testing in my city? They are located in Melbourne, Australia and i am in Sydney...

    And is anybody aware of endocrine problems causing gastrointestinal problems?
    Sounds to me like you are sympthetic overdrive from overtraning and obvious not under eating. Your system is stress shutting down your pancreatic enzyme causing malabsorption issues. You probably also have hidden inuslin balance from the prolong stress which can also cause bone loss. Your low testosterone can be excessive cortisol lvels which can both can cause osteopenia. YOu need to examine your vitamin D levels. It has been noted in the past that due over 60-70% of people in austrialia are severly vitamin D defieincy which this could explain alot of your symptoms. So examine vitamin D levels not 1,25. Stress depletes nutrients b-6, zinc, magnesium, potassium all which are needed for calcium metabolism. It all comes down to creating an imbanace in your automnomic system as primary cause which is brought upon by constant overstimulation as athletes. I see this all the time and I am guilty of this my self many years ago. SO I can easily recongnized the scenerio.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MetalMX View Post
    And is anybody aware of endocrine problems causing gastrointestinal problems?
    Yes, hypothyroid can do it. That's how some people (like me) can have a slow metabolism and still be thin... I eat a lot and drink gainer shakes but never gain weight. I also have problems with reflux... all signs that food is not digesting.

    Have you tried taking betain hcl + pepsin + enzymes with each meal? I just started yesterday, and it was the first reflux-free day in awhile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeanGuy View Post
    Have you tried taking betain hcl + pepsin + enzymes with each meal?
    You should look into RPN Gut Health as well. It's the perfect addition to those...not a bad price either.
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    Overtraining... the most i ever trained was 3-4 days a week regularly and i havent trained in the past 2-3 months at all.

    I don't do ANYTHING right now... work, study nothing! i can barely get through the day.

    Any training i do is useless until my endocrine hormones are sorted to provide me any benefit.

    I have been very sick with symptoms of:

    * Shortness of breath... more so now after eating.
    * bradycardia/tachycardia.... cardiologist ruled out heart problems its all endocrine related
    * extreme joint and bone pain and clicking... feels like they are about to fracture any second
    * A lot of Muscle Atrophy
    * Getting startled easily
    * easy brusing, strechy skin
    * loss of sensation of touch (which is odd)
    * extreme fatigue/ brain fog
    * muscle weakness
    * hair loss
    * waking up 3-4 times a night for the past 3 years. Cannot stay asleep.

    And yes i dont get enough sunlight.

    Tested:

    25-Hydroxy Vitamin D3 Level - 48 nmol/L (Yes low)

    Presently supplementing:

    Multi-vitamin
    Digestive enzymes (protease, amylase, lipase, pepsin, betain hcl)
    Pro-biotic (10-15 billion per day)
    Flaxseed and Coconut Oil.
    Calcium 1200mg per day, Just started using Vitamin D 1000-1500IU per day from capsules.

    Is this enough or too much vitamin D from capsules and what would you guys recommend in terms of calcium and vitamin D dosage in terms of upper limits to benefit me?

    And i have this weird thing recently where saliva is coming up from my oesophagus tonnes of it and i have to spit it out, particularly after eating.


    My question is will GH replacement which i have been low on for so long improve my bone mineral density, and can anyone find any studies?
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    Yes, your tsh is very high, do you have a free t3 level? Yes, your testosterone is very low. I dont know your past, so I am not sure why you are way low. Hormones are your life, so you need to address your problems. Calcium and d3 are a good idea if you suspect osteo. the upper limit of d3 has been going up over the years, 1000-1500 iu should cause no risk of toxicity. Growth hormone should be the last thing on your mind right now, at age 19. Increasing igf-1 will increase gh. not sure the best way to do this though, gh injections are extremmely expensive.
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    Vitamin D 8000-10000IU per day
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    Quote Originally Posted by MetalMX View Post
    I have been very sick with symptoms of:

    * Shortness of breath... more so now after eating.
    * extreme joint and bone pain and clicking... feels like they are about to fracture any second
    * A lot of Muscle Atrophy
    * extreme fatigue/ brain fog
    * muscle weakness
    * hair loss
    * waking up 3-4 times a night for the past 3 years. Cannot stay asleep.

    And yes i dont get enough sunlight.

    Tested:

    25-Hydroxy Vitamin D3 Level - 48 nmol/L (Yes low)

    Presently supplementing:

    Multi-vitamin
    Digestive enzymes (protease, amylase, lipase, pepsin, betain hcl)
    Pro-biotic (10-15 billion per day)
    Flaxseed and Coconut Oil.
    Calcium 1200mg per day, Just started using Vitamin D 1000-1500IU per day from capsules.

    Is this enough or too much vitamin D from capsules and what would you guys recommend in terms of calcium and vitamin D dosage in terms of upper limits to benefit me?

    And i have this weird thing recently where saliva is coming up from my oesophagus tonnes of it and i have to spit it out, particularly after eating.

    Some of your symptoms, particulary the bone mineral density issue, the low D3, the joint pain, maybe even the upper GI reflux could be indicative of 1 or 2 related autoimmune diseases, rheumatoid arthritis and crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis.

    the lack of proper nutrient absorption from something like Crohn's will lead to low calcium and vitamin D if you have poor nutrition/absorption, and even a very small amount of intestinal bleeding can lead to anemia. the hair loss and fatigue will follow from the malnutrition. shortness of breath for no reason could be the anemia I think

    to get your vitamin D right, there is a very cheap prescription strength 10,000 IU vitamin D pill that you must take once a week for 8 weeks, get tested after the 8 weeks and if you are improved to a normal range then you can go on a maintenance dose of 1000 or 2000 IU/day

    What are your other GI problems? Do you ever have painful cramps or feel like food "gets stuck" particularly in your small intestine? I have had Crohn's since age 13, it's not related to my current problem of low Test levels but I have had some of the symptoms you describe over the years. Anyway, it's another direction to maybe look in as far as diagnosing your problem when you go see a doctor, the hormonal issues could be secondary. It is very possible too that you could have GI problems and not feel any pain from them for a long time.
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    I dont pass stools for days even after eating tonnes of food. It definitly doesnt feel normal. I dont really feel any GI symptoms. Besides sometimes bloating, gas and the getting stuck thing.

    Rheumatoid factor has been tested and rheumatoid arthritis has been ruled out. I have hashimotos thyroiditis the only autoimmune disease that has been diagnosed in me. I have IgE levels of 4000 presently which a immunologist that i saw said he sees patients with IgE levels of 35000 with no symptoms and that test is completely useless and should be thrown out.

    I about to see a gastroenterologist. A Dr Borody who is an excellent doctor i think some of you might have heard of him if you know anything about Gastro's.

    At the moment im having severe muscle loss, weight loss, and bone/joint pain. This really sucks.

    The gastroenterologist will help me with my situation he is very knowledgeable and will find any chrons or any other problems as well as the endocrinologist. I am also seeing a neurologist who is a friend of a friends to assess my head to see if their are any pituitary tumors or anything else.

    I have a bit of kyphosis as well.

    What i need more help with in particular is candida and fighting it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MetalMX View Post
    I dont pass stools for days even after eating tonnes of food. It definitly doesnt feel normal. I dont really feel any GI symptoms. Besides sometimes bloating, gas and the getting stuck thing.

    Rheumatoid factor has been tested and rheumatoid arthritis has been ruled out. I have hashimotos thyroiditis the only autoimmune disease that has been diagnosed in me. I have IgE levels of 4000 presently which a immunologist that i saw said he sees patients with IgE levels of 35000 with no symptoms and that test is completely useless and should be thrown out.

    I about to see a gastroenterologist. A Dr Borody who is an excellent doctor i think some of you might have heard of him if you know anything about Gastro's.

    At the moment im having severe muscle loss, weight loss, and bone/joint pain. This really sucks.

    The gastroenterologist will help me with my situation he is very knowledgeable and will find any chrons or any other problems as well as the endocrinologist. I am also seeing a neurologist who is a friend of a friends to assess my head to see if their are any pituitary tumors or anything else.

    I have a bit of kyphosis as well.

    What i need more help with in particular is candida and fighting it...
    Join the vitamin D and overstimualtion club samething happen to me. I would get to an immune specialist to rule out an hidden infections or if you banged some pig you could have gotten something very easy from your system being down.
    You need to reassess your lifestyles, and training, nurtitrional evaluations. As i suggest vitamin D levels are in the ****ter..
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
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    Im sure my immune system is very weak particularly with the severe hormone imbalances... but how can this be checked?

    I went to an immunologist and he said i was "fine" but thats a load of bull****, whenever i go out somewhere on a few occassions later on in the day i dont feel well mild fever and unwell feeling like an immune response and this also happens if eating out which i avoid at all costs because i can get sick easily if i dont eat only the prepared food i eat. And i keep having problems with mucous in the ears, nose, and throat it all feels blocked and a lot of saliva coming up from my stomach. Also a white tongue and a candida growth in the back of my tongue which i can see.

    What should i say to the next immunologist i see exactly, and what should be tested... the 5 immunoglobulin levels or what? i mean i am sick of them ****ing me around and telling me i'm fine when clearly my immune system isn't working properly (my leukocytes are always highly elevated)
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    Join the overstimualtion club
    He stated that he's not training......
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    This is all the working of high cortisol and ACTH. I might have a ACT secreting pituitary adenoma which needs to be ruled out with an MRI. But the symptoms all make sense the high cortisol is ravaging my body, suppressing my immune system, affecting my joints and blocking GH production and other hormones causing these symptoms/problems. So i think i have all this figured out.

    I will do a Immune Complex test which my GP can do.

    Here are some other results they seem normal to me:

    Nuclear Antibodies Pattern - No ANA detected
    Nuclear Antibodies Titre - <40 titre
    Rheumatoid Factor - <21 IU/ml

    Banged some pig lol i havent had sex since last year man and i've only done it once or twice in my life with adequate protection.

    Does anybody know of any supplement that can make your body/stomach more alkaline i have read sodium bicarbonate is good for this? and what are peoples opinions on using hydrogen peroxide 3% solution orally?
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    Cortisol: 510 nmol/L *

    What was the range for this test? Have you done a 24hr cortisol test as well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    He stated that he's not training......
    Does not matter the rollercoaster is still in motion.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MetalMX View Post
    This is all the working of high cortisol and ACTH. I might have a ACT secreting pituitary adenoma which needs to be ruled out with an MRI. But the symptoms all make sense the high cortisol is ravaging my body, suppressing my immune system, affecting my joints and blocking GH production and other hormones causing these symptoms/problems. So i think i have all this figured out.

    I will do a Immune Complex test which my GP can do.

    Here are some other results they seem normal to me:

    Nuclear Antibodies Pattern - No ANA detected
    Nuclear Antibodies Titre - <40 titre
    Rheumatoid Factor - <21 IU/ml

    Banged some pig lol i havent had sex since last year man and i've only done it once or twice in my life with adequate protection.

    Does anybody know of any supplement that can make your body/stomach more alkaline i have read sodium bicarbonate is good for this? and what are peoples opinions on using hydrogen peroxide 3% solution orally?
    Strongly Acid:meat, fish, soft drinks
    Mild Acid: grains, legumes, nuts
    Mild Alkaline: fruits, vegetables, berries, dairy
    Strongly Alkaline: green leafy vegetables, brocoli, spinach
    http://www.healingdaily.com/conditio...va-ph-test.htm
  

  
 

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