[Gutterpump]

Originally Posted by darkblue1

I was taking 200mg/2 weeks. After 2 mnths wehn tested My total T was 1150. Estradiol was high. And doctor could nto do anythign with Estradiol. Ans it did not give me any good results., So i stopped taking it and decided to improve in natural ways.

You didn't get good results because your estradiol shot up...plain and simple. You should see a new doctor, or you can deal with estradiol on your own and monitor bloodwork, etc. No herbs or pranic healing are going to heal someone of hypogonadism.

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by darkblue1

I was taking 200mg/2 weeks. After 2 mnths wehn tested My total T was 1150. Estradiol was high. And doctor could nto do anythign with Estradiol. Ans it did not give me any good results., So i stopped taking it and decided to improve in natural ways.

200mg/2weeks
that is 100mg/week on average.
that 1150 depends when you have drawn the blood.
You definitely do not have this level of TT over every day during 2 weeks period.
Variations are real big.
Assuming that you would stay on the same average testosterone dose,
you should get better results if you split the T doses and do
2/week or E3D.
In any case draw blood 48 hrs after T shot.
That should stabilize your TT levels and most likely reduce E2 or allow you to have better control using
Arimidex=Liquidex=Anastrozole.

[darkblue1]

Thanks Sanz,

The test was taken at the end of first week.
As of now I dont feel any symptoms of Low test. Atleast for libido,sexuality,mood,concentration,energy levels all are good.

[jpk]

K (Cheesehead),

Can you share what exactly happened to destroy your test levels?

Have you considered that other hormones can spike up and make you feel like crap? When you get your blood test have them check out Estrogen, Cortisol and Prolactin. There are probably some others that the guys on this board would suggest also.

One other consideration...I've spent a lot of time with my relatives in Wisconsin. Everybody is overweight, under exercised and drinks too much. A lot of the older guys in my clan all ended up with sleep apnea. This alone can trash your hormone profile all by itself. Are you a big guy? Do you snore loudly? Do you fall asleep easily during the day? I'm just trying to cover the ground that is familiar to me in figuring out how you can get better. Short of a few docs like Crisler, you're not going to get a lot of help from the medical community. A lot of the guys on these forums could run circles around most MDs when it comes to "applied endocrinology."

[K1212]

Originally Posted by jpk

K (Cheesehead),

Can you share what exactly happened to destroy your test levels?

Have you considered that other hormones can spike up and make you feel like crap? When you get your blood test have them check out Estrogen, Cortisol and Prolactin. There are probably some others that the guys on this board would suggest also.

One other consideration...I've spent a lot of time with my relatives in Wisconsin. Everybody is overweight, under exercised and drinks too much. A lot of the older guys in my clan all ended up with sleep apnea. This alone can trash your hormone profile all by itself. Are you a big guy? Do you snore loudly? Do you fall asleep easily during the day? I'm just trying to cover the ground that is familiar to me in figuring out how you can get better. Short of a few docs like Crisler, you're not going to get a lot of help from the medical community. A lot of the guys on these forums could run circles around most MDs when it comes to "applied endocrinology."

well it was obviously my varicocele, still insure how it formed, either my dog stomping on the back of my testicle, or 2 days later after a long masturbation session I woke up every hour that night to urinate and the next morning I realized I couldnt get a hard on and I couldnt get any mental images of females running through my head

and my health is A+ as far that goes, I am pretty much a Vegan, I dont drink or smoke and weight about 135 pounds and am 5 6

[thenxtgrt1]

Originally Posted by darkblue1

I was taking 200mg/2 weeks. After 2 mnths wehn tested My total T was 1150. Estradiol was high. And doctor could nto do anythign with Estradiol. Ans it did not give me any good results., So i stopped taking it and decided to improve in natural ways.

What have been your natural methods?

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by darkblue1

I was taking 200mg/2 weeks. After 2 mnths wehn tested My total T was 1150. Estradiol was high. And doctor could nto do anythign with Estradiol. Ans it did not give me any good results., So i stopped taking it and decided to improve in natural ways.

Originally Posted by JanSz

200mg/2weeks
that is 100mg/week on average.
that 1150 depends when you have drawn the blood.
You definitely do not have this level of TT over every day during 2 weeks period.
Variations are real big.
Assuming that you would stay on the same average testosterone dose,
you should get better results if you split the T doses and do
2/week or E3D.
In any case draw blood 48 hrs after T shot.
That should stabilize your TT levels and most likely reduce E2 or allow you to have better control using
Arimidex=Liquidex=Anastrozole.

Originally Posted by darkblue1

Thanks Sanz,

The test was taken at the end of first week.
As of now I dont feel any symptoms of Low test. Atleast for libido,sexuality,mood,concentration,energy levels all are good.

Would you like to make up your mind, either you feel good or bad.
===================================
I think you are not really good.
Please re-read my advice.

[Gutterpump]

Originally Posted by jpk

A lot of the older guys in my clan all ended up with sleep apnea. This alone can trash your hormone profile all by itself. Are you a big guy? Do you snore loudly? Do you fall asleep easily during the day?

Does TRT also help heal sleep apnea? I sleep like $hit a lot of the time, but I'm fairly lean and live pretty healthy. I don't think I wake up much during the night, but I don't wake up feeling well rested most of the time. I always thought it was due to low test though..but sleep apnea also crossed my mind since I can be such a heavy snorer at times. Strange thing is I dream almost every night, lucid dreams and lots of them..so I must be getting deep sleep...

[rmac1]

I've read it can make it worse. Not really sure though

[BigAk]

Originally Posted by K1212

whatever, I dont see how that is possible everything I read tells me if it is below 800 then there is probably a problem, you named 2 sources, testosterone is something I can usually spot now and I can assure you most guys dont go around with a lower then normal testosterone

Show me the research youv'e been reading that says what you're claiming in red above... I couldn't find any... I doubt you'll be able to generate one either.. But, I'm willing to give you the benefit of doubt.

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[BigAk]

Originally Posted by K1212

My T must be below 310 at this point, I feel like crap, before it was the psychological nightmare now I just feel like hell, my body is freezing all the time and it is 60 degrees out and I just feel like crap

After reading your posts, any man with 800 levels would drive his testosterone down just by thinking like you do. I would not doubt if your levels are this low due to your negative thinking. Could it be that your depression is driving you levels down rather the other way around... I can provide you with credible research to prove depression causes low T.

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[BigAk]

Originally Posted by rmac1

Ok, say two males both have a testosterone level of 800. One is on trt and the other is not. Setting other variables aside who will generaly feel better. More confidence, better sex drive, etc. I have read many posts in the past that people are disapointed in trt. A male with a natural level of 800 is generaly not very disapointed in how they feel.

This is true... many will live "naturally" while in the mid range very happily... While many on TRT at 800 are still having tons of issues.

Although it could be very beneficial, TRT is not a panacea.
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[BigAk]

Originally Posted by darkblue1

Thanks Sanz,

The test was taken at the end of first week.
As of now I dont feel any symptoms of Low test. Atleast for libido,sexuality,mood,concentration,energy levels all are good.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
.

[BigAk]

Originally Posted by jpk

K (Cheesehead),

Can you share what exactly happened to destroy your test levels?

."

LOL... Thanks..
.

[Gutterpump]

Originally Posted by darkblue1

Gutterpump,

what kind of health problems you may get? .

here's some answers to your question:

For each person, it is important to weigh the risks and benefits of treatment. However, the risks of continuing deficient testosterone levels are clear. They include:

1. Heart attacks.
2. Strokes.
3. Prostate cancer, possibly other cancers (from unbalanced estrogens actions).
4. Chronic fatigue and difficulty coping with stress (accompanying adrenal fatigue/insufficiency that secondarily occurs with low testosterone levels)
5. Excessive anxiety, stress, irritability, anger outbursts (the irritable male syndrome)
6. Severe depression.
7. Impaired memory and attention, difficulty learning new material (some to the extent of a dementia-like syndrome).
8. Impaired fertility - if low FSH/LH levels or FSH/LH resistance are the cause of low testosterone levels.
9. Lack of libido, erectile dysfunction - often bandaged with Viagra, but with undiagnosed testosterone deficiency as a direct cause.
10. Obesity - which is difficult to treat with diet alone - which can lead to arthritic conditions.
11. Diabetes
12. Loss of muscle mass.
13. Osteoporosis
14. Impaired immune system.
15. Reduced reaction time, quickness of reaction, mental quickness (from reduced dopamine levels, insulin-resistance associated with testosterone deficiency - among other associated changes)

[K1212]

Originally Posted by BigAk

After reading your posts, any man with 800 levels would drive his testosterone down just by thinking like you do. I would not doubt if your levels are this low due to your negative thinking. Could it be that your depression is driving you levels down rather the other way around... I can provide you with credible research to prove depression causes low T.

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I wish it was depression but like I said I woke up one morning having to constantly urinate, then I couldnt get any sexual images in my head and looked on line and couldnt get excited at things I knew I would go crazy about, then I discovered these veins on my testicle and wound up finding this site and realized what the problem was

[shyguava]

Originally Posted by Gutterpump

here's some answers to your question:

Hey gutter.....where did you get that long list that shows the effects lack of T has on the male health from?
Just curious so I can rub it in my endo's face .