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    still no libido 2-3 years on trt


    Hi,

    I have been having libido problems throughout androgel 5g, 10g, Tcyp 100mgT, Tcyp 160mg T.

    I am taking an 80mg T shot Tues/Fri each week, for a total of 160mg a week. This keeps me a little above 1000.

    I am taking 50mg pregnenolone each morning.

    I am taking 150mg DHEA, as 200mg each day put me at 481 DHEA/S before starting the pregnenolone. I have since lowered the dose by 50mg to 150mg to compensate for the pregnenolone.

    I have tried 1mg a'dex a week, .4mg a'dex a week, .2mg a'dex a week, nothing works. right now i take none at all, and i feel better than before (except for libido, unchanged mostly...), but i get swelling in my right foot sometimes. Sometimes I notice improvements though and powerful erections and a little hornyness. Not sure if there really is a "small window" that i keep missing for E2, and that i may have to try .1mg adex a week for a month, then .2mg adex for a month, etc.

    i got gyno developing when i was taking too much thyroid meds last december-january. i was on 3 grains of armour thyroid, now i take 137 mcg synthroid.

    now i am on enough that keeps my tsh at .6 and i feel much more level then before.


    still no libido.... any tips?


    thanks so much. im 23, and lost my libido mid-college 3 years ago....depressing....

    fwiw, libido got worse after starting TRT then before TRT it seems.

    also if my gyno was caused by TRT, wouldnt it keep getting worse, or is there a set point for whatever circulating estrogens i have in my body? i plan on getting surgery since they stopped growing, but will they grow back to this same point, or if there not growing, there NOT COMING BACK (dosage changes aside).

    also i tried wellbutrin to help with libido. it did make me think more about girls and they appeared more beautiful but didnt give me that primal they need to get banged feeling, or ignite that brain to penis pining/aching for sex... cialis kept whatever level of erection i achieved staying a little longer, but did not help me achieve powerful erections needed for high quality sex....
    thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by FOXDIE View Post
    Hi,

    I have been having libido problems throughout androgel 5g, 10g, Tcyp 100mgT, Tcyp 160mg T.

    I am taking an 80mg T shot Tues/Fri each week, for a total of 160mg a week. This keeps me a little above 1000.

    I am taking 50mg pregnenolone each morning.

    I am taking 150mg DHEA, as 200mg each day put me at 481 DHEA/S before starting the pregnenolone. I have since lowered the dose by 50mg to 150mg to compensate for the pregnenolone.

    I have tried 1mg a'dex a week, .4mg a'dex a week, .2mg a'dex a week, nothing works. right now i take none at all, and i feel better than before (except for libido, unchanged mostly...), but i get swelling in my right foot sometimes. Sometimes I notice improvements though and powerful erections and a little hornyness. Not sure if there really is a "small window" that i keep missing for E2, and that i may have to try .1mg adex a week for a month, then .2mg adex for a month, etc.

    i got gyno developing when i was taking too much thyroid meds last december-january. i was on 3 grains of armour thyroid, now i take 137 mcg synthroid.

    now i am on enough that keeps my tsh at .6 and i feel much more level then before.


    still no libido.... any tips?


    thanks so much. im 23, and lost my libido mid-college 3 years ago....depressing....

    fwiw, libido got worse after starting TRT then before TRT it seems.

    also if my gyno was caused by TRT, wouldnt it keep getting worse, or is there a set point for whatever circulating estrogens i have in my body? i plan on getting surgery since they stopped growing, but will they grow back to this same point, or if there not growing, there NOT COMING BACK (dosage changes aside).

    also i tried wellbutrin to help with libido. it did make me think more about girls and they appeared more beautiful but didnt give me that primal they need to get banged feeling, or ignite that brain to penis pining/aching for sex... cialis kept whatever level of erection i achieved staying a little longer, but did not help me achieve powerful erections needed for high quality sex....
    thanks
    I think you dont feel good on TRT based on your experience. For that matter any medcine doesnt work. Why dont you try a session of pranic healing from experienced healer.
    I tried TRT for 2 months (depo 200mg every two weeks) I didnt feel any change in my feelings, but my stomach bloated like anything and E2 increased. I stopped TRT. I tried Androgel too.Same feeling. Finally I went for pranic healing session. Within one session I started feeling better. After 3 sessions I got my libido back and brain became clear and ejaculation more powerful. Just give it a shot. you wont repent it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkblue1 View Post
    I think you dont feel good on TRT based on your experience. For that matter any medcine doesnt work. Why dont you try a session of pranic healing from experienced healer.
    I tried TRT for 2 months (depo 200mg every two weeks) I didnt feel any change in my feelings, but my stomach bloated like anything and E2 increased. I stopped TRT. I tried Androgel too.Same feeling. Finally I went for pranic healing session. Within one session I started feeling better. After 3 sessions I got my libido back and brain became clear and ejaculation more powerful. Just give it a shot. you wont repent it.
    What is pranic healing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde12 View Post
    What is pranic healing?
    Pranic Healing® is a highly developed and tested system of energy energy medicine that utilizes prana to balance, harmonize and transform the body's energy processes. Prana is a Sanskrit word that means life-force. This invisible bio-energy or vital energy keeps the body alive and maintains a state of good health. In acupuncture, the Chinese refer to this subtle energy as Chi. It is also called Ruah or the Breath of Life in the Old Testament.

    In Ancient times, Pranic Healing could only be practised by an elite few. My job was to develop a very effective healing system, which ordinary people could learn in just a short period. Anybody can practise pranic healing now. The knowledge of being able to deal with simple ailments is quite empowering.

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    Pranic Healing® is applied on the bio-electromagnetic field known as the aura, or energy body, which is a mold or blueprint that surrounds and interpenetrates the physical body. This energy body absorbs life energy and distributes it throughout the physical body, to the muscles, organs, glands, etc. The reason Pranic Healing® works on the energy body is that physical ailments first appear as energetic disruptions in the aura before manifesting as problems in the physical body


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    Ok, well regardless of this prana stuff helping my libido or wellbeing, I have to take the educated standpoint that it will not raise my testosterone levels into the upper quartile of the standard range.


    Therefor I must remain on the therapy, as I am not going to allow my levels to drop to low levels, regardless of if this prana healing can help me out.

    So lets drop that idea; does anyone have answers for me that are in line with modern medicine?

    Thanks for your contribution anyway man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FOXDIE View Post
    Ok, well regardless of this prana stuff helping my libido or wellbeing, I have to take the educated standpoint that it will not raise my testosterone levels into the upper quartile of the standard range.


    Therefor I must remain on the therapy, as I am not going to allow my levels to drop to low levels, regardless of if this prana healing can help me out.

    So lets drop that idea; does anyone have answers for me that are in line with modern medicine?

    Thanks for your contribution anyway man.
    You might have another imbalance somewhere. You could try Trazodone which is a 5HT2 antagonist used as an antidepressant/sleep aid/anxiolytic. It raises my libido more than test. Some people develop Priapism while on it (erection that does not go away), but it is very rare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FOXDIE View Post
    Ok, well regardless of this prana stuff helping my libido or wellbeing, I have to take the educated standpoint that it will not raise my testosterone levels into the upper quartile of the standard range.


    Therefor I must remain on the therapy, as I am not going to allow my levels to drop to low levels, regardless of if this prana healing can help me out.

    So lets drop that idea; does anyone have answers for me that are in line with modern medicine?

    Thanks for your contribution anyway man.
    or you primary or secondary?
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    try cabergoline, might want to test and see if your prolactin is high though? And what do you mean by bloated stomach?
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    my stomache didnt bloat. my right foot got "fat" and bloated after both times i stopped arimidex, and then faded away to normal.

    and my prolactin is fine i had it tested.

    im guessing my e2 is not perfect. is a good idea to hold each dosage for 4 weeks? 3? 2? before changing? i was going to start with .1mg 2x a week for a total of .2mg a weekly. and then increase by .1 each couple of weeks. i think before i switched to much without enough time to really test.


    i have stopped using arimidex for a month, so youd think by now things would start looking up. my best time was when i was experimenting in the .2mg-.4mg range. i had sex dreams and hard erections. i feel if i stayed in that zone i could have my libido return, on top of the increased erectile function i experienced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde12 View Post
    You might have another imbalance somewhere. You could try Trazodone which is a 5HT2 antagonist used as an antidepressant/sleep aid/anxiolytic. It raises my libido more than test. Some people develop Priapism while on it (erection that does not go away), but it is very rare.
    Trazodone (25mg for sleep) gave me some painful wood at night... almost priapism. But the effects were gone during the day, and taking more than 25mg left me groggy in the morning. During the day I'd rather use Powerfull or 1-carboxy.

    Libido is tough to troubleshoot. My hormones are near perfect now (off TRT) but my libido still fluctuates... can't pin down what's changing.

    Sounds like E2 balance is your problem if changing the adex helps. E2 is the most common issue for most. I'm going to get a "sensitive" E2 test to check mine in more detail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FOXDIE View Post
    Ok, well regardless of this prana stuff helping my libido or wellbeing, I have to take the educated standpoint that it will not raise my testosterone levels into the upper quartile of the standard range.


    Therefor I must remain on the therapy, as I am not going to allow my levels to drop to low levels, regardless of if this prana healing can help me out.

    So lets drop that idea; does anyone have answers for me that are in line with modern medicine?

    Thanks for your contribution anyway man.

    Is your condition primary or secondary?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde12 View Post
    You might have another imbalance somewhere. You could try Trazodone which is a 5HT2 antagonist used as an antidepressant/sleep aid/anxiolytic. It raises my libido more than test. Some people develop Priapism while on it (erection that does not go away), but it is very rare.
    That's interesting...I don't know what the connection is, but if I find myself drifting off (whether in a meeting or whathave you) the chubster starts to make an appearance... Probably nothing related to seratonin though, but would be interesting as I'm taking stablon atm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FOXDIE View Post
    still no libido 2-3 years on trt

    Posted today by dr John, on his board.
    Right on topic for this thread.
    I do not have any details.
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    thanks for that link! awesome!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FOXDIE View Post
    thanks janz, nice forum

    also i took .2mg adex last night

    but i am going to stop taking the adex, and try taking 1 dim complex pill (250mg cruf. veg. blend + 12.5mg DIM) a day and see if i notice any improvements. if i do im going to increase the dose, if it gets worse then ill try lowering the dose to eod. if nothing with dim works, then ill go back to trying .2mg arimidex weekly, then .3, etc.

    DIM is a better choice if it works for me right, because DIM is only an antiandrogen specifically for cancer/prostate cells?

    or is arimidex better because DIM is body-wide antiandrogen?
    Arimidex=Anastrozole
    is aromatase inhibitor.
    Use it if Estradiol=E2 is high and need to be lowered.

    DIM is used to help process Estrone metabolites
    There is two way process Estrodial <----> Estrone
    via 17b-Hydrosteroid-dehydrogenase

    Test for Estrodial using
    Estrodial, ultrasensitive
    test.
    Other estrodial tests are useless.
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