DIM for e2 control?
- 09-02-2008, 07:17 PM
- 09-03-2008, 06:21 AM
Looking back at BW about 2 years ago (before starting TRT and DIM) my E2 was 32, so I must conclude that DIM is efective for me.
My doc does have me on low dose danazol which dramatically lowered my high shbg. But I don't believe danazol has any anti-E properties.
Today I use a big dose of 200mg of T Cream ED and 500iu's hcg EOD. And I take DIM every day. TT=900 (from 300's), E=26, low shbg. I feel great and have never used an AI.
The product I use is Nature's Way DIM-Plus, 200-300mg ED.
09-03-2008, 07:56 AM
I am not on TRT, but I am taking bromocriptine to lower my prolactin. I think it was like 19 and the upper limit was 15. Feel a little better after first day anyway. My estradiol is like 55 and the range says anything under 203. I read on here around 20 is ideal. Could using a dim lower levels significantly. Is it hard to get prescribed a AI? If low test raises and you stop using it will it remain low? Not to jack thread.
09-03-2008, 08:33 AM
You hear guys talking about the magical '20' number. Those guys are referring to Estradiol that's being measured in pg/mL, and it's usually on a scale of under <53 pg/mL (or something similar).
When you talk about being 55 on a scale of under 203, that tells me that you're more than likely in Canada (or the UK) where Estradiol is measured in pmol/L, not pg/mL like in the USA.
With a conversion factor (for Estradiol) of 3.671, your 55 pmol/L is actually equal to 15 pg/mL (on that <53 scale that is). For me would be borderline low and I'd start exhibiting signs of low E2 at such a low level.
Personally I do not suggest lowering your levels any further.
09-03-2008, 10:00 AM
On dr John's board there is already a guy with a bone loss after using large amounts of Arimidex.
It is not about Arimidex, it is about evaluating need for it and making proper dose adjustments.
I would not worry about long term use of Anastrozole.
But I do worry about (long term) incorrect E2 levels.
Correct test (ultrasensitive) need to be used to find where you are at.
If you really want to know about need for DIM,
do 24hr urine test at Rhein Labs
Look at estrogen metabolites, their level will guide you.
09-03-2008, 08:19 PM
last time I got tested my e2 was 55 with the high end being 56. so that makes me high-normal
now I know a-dex causes some lipid and cholesterol issues, so thats why I asked about this.
oldgator, I use the same brand. how many pills do you take per day of that? I'm at 3 per day.
09-04-2008, 03:40 AM
Estradiol (DLS) 32pg/mL 20-75pg/mL
Estradiol (DLS) 55pg/mL <207pg/mL
DLS changed their manufacturer for estradiol from Beckman to Siemens. Reference ranges have been adjusted accordingly.
I live in a US territory so when I draw blood it is sent to the states for testing. My estradiol is close to mid range on the first test and my prolactin is out of range. I am taking bromocriptine to lower it. My testosterone is low last time I tested it was 290 with bottom of range at 230. I keep hearing how being overweight causes aromatase so as of now besides the lifestyle changes I have made I am looking for other ways to lower my estradiol or anything that will make me feel better. Oh yeah I have gyno so my estradiol must be an issue or at least the ratio to test. I assume nothing I am trying to learn all I can. No ofense taken.
09-10-2008, 01:41 AM
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09-10-2008, 01:28 PM
How to Avoid Goitrogens: Healthy Foods That May Hurt Your Thyroid Gland | eHow.com
I am not positive about DIM itself, but it is made from concentrated broccoli. My thyroid is borderline so I stay away from it just in case. That's my excuse for not eating my broccoli
09-10-2008, 01:34 PM
This specific Iodine is supposed to block the goitrogen effects of foods on the Thyoird gland.
Iosol Iodine for Thyroid Nutrition and Body Temperature
"Adequate iodine is also needed to block various compounds from binding to and accumulating in the thyroid gland (fluoride, perchlorate, goitrogens in food)."
I think having too much Estrogen or the bad type of Estrogen is equally or worse for the thyroid gland as it blocks its function. I think DIM and this Iodine would be a potent combination for the thyroid, if DIM really does work that is.
09-10-2008, 01:36 PM
09-10-2008, 04:12 PM
Yeah, i wish there was something non synthetic to lower actual E2, so something like that and DIM would be a good combo.
DIM and low dose Aromasin would be a good combo if actual overall Estrogen levels needed to be lowered, but i would rather not use synthetic drugs as they damage DNA and cant be good if your looking for optimal health and longevity.
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