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    Hi Guys,

    I am currently treated for hypopituitarism meaning I am secondary (prednisolone,dhea,armour and HCG 800 ius EOD)

    After a few months now on hcg only where I feel I am doing pretty good and my T levels seem ok as well as my E2 levels ... I am trying to find other causes that would explain my complete lack of sex drive.

    You know, I have been on TRT with very high levels of testosterone and I have been high and low on E2 but in every case I would never have any sexual thoughts or morning wood,never ...TT and free over the range with E2 at about 28 wouldn't do the trick.

    Looking back on one of my latest result something puzzles me, I have a very high progesterone level : 1.11 ng/ml (0.1-0.65).

    From Dr Lam site, I understand that high progesterone in men can block the convertion from Testosterone to DHT thus creating a low level of DHT that would lead to a low libido.

    Sadly, informations on high progesterone in men are hard to find and I don't have yet a DHT test result.

    Can you confirm that low DHT means low libido ?

    Have you heard anything like that before and do you know how to reduce progesterone ?

    Thank you for your input.

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    Well DHT does mean low libido. If you'd like to see if that's your issue try Proviron. If that doesn't fix you you're probably in the same boat as me. I have the same exact issue only I'm 100% fixed for the first few days of TRT and then the same. I've done this several times with the same result with E2 in check. It sounds like I'm responding to the dopamine rush from starting TRT which fades quickly. Bottom line is I respond to the initial antidepressant response of T but the T itself does nothing for me. (My TT, free T were off the map on my last labs and E2 28.) Against my better judgment I just started taking Cymbalta and I've been having a flicker of libido. I've also read a few posts where guys have been put on an AD and there T went up. Depression can cause poor HPTA function. Then again low T can cause depression. It's a chicken or the egg problem. I decided to treat both and see how I make out. Luckily if you're on T and you want to try an AD you shouldn't suffer bad sexual sides. Some ADs are notorious for lowering free T thus inducing dysfunction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brentf13 View Post
    Well DHT does mean low libido. If you'd like to see if that's your issue try Proviron. If that doesn't fix you you're probably in the same boat as me. I have the same exact issue only I'm 100% fixed for the first few days of TRT and then the same. I've done this several times with the same result with E2 in check. It sounds like I'm responding to the dopamine rush from starting TRT which fades quickly. Bottom line is I respond to the initial antidepressant response of T but the T itself does nothing for me. (My TT, free T were off the map on my last labs and E2 28.) Against my better judgment I just started taking Cymbalta and I've been having a flicker of libido. I've also read a few posts where guys have been put on an AD and there T went up. Depression can cause poor HPTA function. Then again low T can cause depression. It's a chicken or the egg problem. I decided to treat both and see how I make out. Luckily if you're on T and you want to try an AD you shouldn't suffer bad sexual sides. Some ADs are notorious for lowering free T thus inducing dysfunction.
    I would love to see how the Cymbalta works for you in the long run. SSRIs and SNRIs have a long history of lowering libido and causing ED in men. Wellbutrin (Buproprion) is another story.
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    Tried Wellbutrin once for 2 months and it did nothing but make me break out horrible and gave me nasty hot flashes. Cymbalta I researched quite a bit and the sexual sides seem to be just about zip. (I researched actual reviews from people using it not what their website says.) A funny thing about those drugs is if libido is your problem sometimes it has the opposite effect.

    Anyway I'm on T cyp, Proviron, HCG, and Adex and zero luck so far. You know whats funny is Tribex worked great for me for about two months. So far that's been my best experience.
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    Coming back from my last stint in the sand, my DR put me on Wellbutrin because I was experiencing a lot of PTSS. Before taking it, I had horrible nightmares/night terrors and would sweat like no other. After a few weeks on Wellbutrin, it got worse. Even to the point to where I would feel wired all day and night, could not sleep... but damn I could get a raging boner for no reason. I stopped taking that crap and a few weeks later I was back to normal. No more nightmares, sweats... but the raging boners stayed! Crazy drugs - That's exactly why I hate taking anything that affects the brain.
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    If high progesterone is the cause blocking testosterone convertion to DHT then how to reduce high progesterone ?

    If proviron was working,would it be used as a lifelong treatment at a dosage of 25 mg per day ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde12 View Post
    I would love to see how the Cymbalta works for you in the long run. SSRIs and SNRIs have a long history of lowering libido and causing ED in men. Wellbutrin (Buproprion) is another story.

    I'm trying an SSRA (stablon - much better than any SSRI imo) with a bit of wellbutrin and some HCG (even though my LH wasn't that bad) and things are definately much improved. Still don't think that HCG is the full answer for me though, but bloodwork will tell. Things definately seemed to be improving libido wise when I started the stablon though, I think there's definately something to that..I'm getting random wood now throughout the day and having a lot of dreams about sex at night..that hasn't been happening to me since I was in my teens, or since I tried epistane/on cycle (for the first couple weeks of it).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Lungz View Post
    Coming back from my last stint in the sand, my DR put me on Wellbutrin because I was experiencing a lot of PTSS. Before taking it, I had horrible nightmares/night terrors and would sweat like no other. After a few weeks on Wellbutrin, it got worse. Even to the point to where I would feel wired all day and night, could not sleep... but damn I could get a raging boner for no reason. I stopped taking that crap and a few weeks later I was back to normal. No more nightmares, sweats... but the raging boners stayed! Crazy drugs - That's exactly why I hate taking anything that affects the brain.
    I've tried up to 450mg of wellbutrin and it never got me that agitated or wired. I wonder if I have poor adrenals atm, or maybe just didn't respond well to it though. Definately liking a mild dose of it now though at 150mg. I can tell a mild change when I forget a dose.
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    reducing prolacting......

    cabergoline .5mg every 3 days or every other day if need be.

    this may help you with that problem
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    How's your thyroid... can have a profound effect on libido
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roms View Post
    Hi Guys,

    I am currently treated for hypopituitarism meaning I am secondary (prednisolone,dhea,armour and HCG 800 ius EOD)

    After a few months now on hcg only where I feel I am doing pretty good and my T levels seem ok as well as my E2 levels ... I am trying to find other causes that would explain my complete lack of sex drive.

    You know, I have been on TRT with very high levels of testosterone and I have been high and low on E2 but in every case I would never have any sexual thoughts or morning wood,never ...TT and free over the range with E2 at about 28 wouldn't do the trick.

    Looking back on one of my latest result something puzzles me, I have a very high progesterone level : 1.11 ng/ml (0.1-0.65).

    From Dr Lam site, I understand that high progesterone in men can block the convertion from Testosterone to DHT thus creating a low level of DHT that would lead to a low libido.

    Sadly, informations on high progesterone in men are hard to find and I don't have yet a DHT test result.

    Can you confirm that low DHT means low libido ?

    Have you heard anything like that before and do you know how to reduce progesterone ?

    Thank you for your input.
    Your progesterone levels aren't very high. I take progesterone daily, and my levels are more than double yours (2.9). I have DHT is in the upper range (75). Progesterone helps your nads produce testosterone.

    Like you, I'm on HCG only, but my protocol is 1500 IUs E3D. I also have E2 in check (23). Have you tested DHT? Also, what are your numbers for testosterone (free/total) and E2?
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    Quote Originally Posted by colkurtz_spf View Post
    Your progesterone levels aren't very high. I take progesterone daily, and my levels are more than double yours (2.9). I have DHT is in the upper range (75). Progesterone helps your nads produce testosterone.

    Like you, I'm on HCG only, but my protocol is 1500 IUs E3D. I also have E2 in check (23). Have you tested DHT? Also, what are your numbers for testosterone (free/total) and E2?
    I can't believe you would actually WANT to supplement with progesterone.Then again, everyones body is different. You are better off supplementing with Pregnenolone because it is more of a balancing hormone. Have you read the experience Leanguy had with Progesterone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde12 View Post
    I can't believe you would actually WANT to supplement with progesterone.Then again, everyones body is different. You are better off supplementing with Pregnenolone because it is more of a balancing hormone. Have you read the experience Leanguy had with Progesterone?

    My doctor prescribes the progesterone. He believes it enhances the effects of HCG - it's a more direct path than pregnenolone. I've been on it for nearly a year and have had no problem with it. It may be the reason I'm doing well on lower doses of HCG. My total T is 1144 - I feel great and my libido is through the roof. I'm not saying it's for everyone. I get tested every 90 days, and I'm under the supervision of an excellent doctor. What I am saying is that a progesterone level of 1.1 is not high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colkurtz_spf View Post
    My doctor prescribes the progesterone. He believes it enhances the effects of HCG - it's a more direct path than pregnenolone. I've been on it for nearly a year and have had no problem with it. It may be the reason I'm doing well on lower doses of HCG. My total T is 1144 - I feel great and my libido is through the roof. I'm not saying it's for everyone. I get tested every 90 days, and I'm under the supervision of an excellent doctor. What I am saying is that a progesterone level of 1.1 is not high.
    Sounds like you have a good doctor. Are you seeing Dr. Crisler? My Endocrinologist is an idiot.
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    I always thought that pregnenalone is mainly converted to progesterone in the body first before anything else.

    My own experience with preg @ 50mg ed, doubled my progesterone to twice the upper limit on my bloodwork, but I only noticed postive effects and continue to supplement with this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde12 View Post
    Sounds like you have a good doctor. Are you seeing Dr. Crisler? My Endocrinologist is an idiot.
    Hyde,

    What are your T levels now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkblue1 View Post
    Hyde,

    What are your T levels now?
    around 800.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde12 View Post
    Sounds like you have a good doctor. Are you seeing Dr. Crisler? My Endocrinologist is an idiot.
    I think I do have a good doctor. His practice is in South Florida. If you're interested PM me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colkurtz_spf View Post
    Your progesterone levels aren't very high. I take progesterone daily, and my levels are more than double yours (2.9). I have DHT is in the upper range (75). Progesterone helps your nads produce testosterone.

    Like you, I'm on HCG only, but my protocol is 1500 IUs E3D. I also have E2 in check (23). Have you tested DHT? Also, what are your numbers for testosterone (free/total) and E2?
    Thanks a lot for your interest.
    My numbers are all in the top of the range exept estradiol at 25 or a bit less. I will soon have updated numbers.

    I don't have yet my DHT results but according to my good testosterone/estradiol levels and and my complete lack of libido, I am really hoping to find a low DHT as the missing piece of the puzzle.

    I take 800 ius EOD of HCG coming from 400ius ED because I am not sure HCG stays as effective when you dose it every 3 days.It's more or less the same weekly dosage as you take I think.

    One of my last test in the morning after I had a 500 ius HCG shot during the evening showed a total test of 836.28ng/dl.

    Do you know if DHT participate on how you feel as well ?

    If low DHT was my issue, would the use of proviron be one of the best option to increase it ?
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    Proviron won't increase your DHT it is DHT. It would be something that you could try and see if it picks up your libido. It will also free up more T and decrease E2 further.
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    Basically, if one secondary on HCG only would need to increase his DHT, what would be the best way to achieve it ?

    Proviron or DHT cream ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roms View Post
    Basically, if one secondary on HCG only would need to increase his DHT, what would be the best way to achieve it ?

    Proviron or DHT cream ?
    HCG raises DHT levels. I suggest you first test your levels before you seek a remedy. My doctor does not like to dose EOD. He claims it decreases HCG's effectiveness. I'm dosing E3D and the results have been great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colkurtz_spf View Post
    HCG raises DHT levels. I suggest you first test your levels before you seek a remedy. My doctor does not like to dose EOD. He claims it decreases HCG's effectiveness. I'm dosing E3D and the results have been great.
    The problem with E3D is the high amount of HCG injected which is over the maximum of 500 ius daily recommanded not to risk desensitization ... and the effect of HCG reducing after 2 days I believe ...

    Are you still at 1500 ius E3D ? I thought you came to 1000ius...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roms View Post
    The problem with E3D is the high amount of HCG injected which is over the maximum of 500 ius daily recommanded not to risk desensitization ... and the effect of HCG reducing after 2 days I believe ...

    Are you still at 1500 ius E3D ? I thought you came to 1000ius...
    There is no evidence to back that statement, just a lot of speculation on these boards. I injected 10,000 IUs (5,000 X 2) per week for nearly a year. I wasn't desensitized, in fact I'm getting great results on a fraction of that amount two years later.

    By the way 1500 IUs E3D is not more than 3500 per week or 500 per day.
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    suma with rhiodala rosea will do the trick, give it a try, cant go wrong; no sides
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    I used everything under the sun for a while and eventually my libido was completely shot. I got to where even my beloved proviron didn't work for my libido anymore. I basically just had to suck it up and quit using anything for a while. Including hcg and proviron. I kept my Anti-e's to a minimum. I went all natural and about 2 months after my results were phenomenal. great wood. MUCH better feeling of well being, and my body actually started looking better. I treated it like a pct from pct. And I took everything in low dosages because i feel like even good things like tribulus turn bad if used for long enough at too high a dose. I took
    ALRI restore- Label says 3 caps/day. I only took 2. I feel like the prolactin inhibition was a big help.
    Palo Alto-Paravol took as directed. It's a low dose male supplement that really helped me.
    AX- Retain2. I think the cortisol reduction helped everything work right.
    Iforce- SecretaGain Great GH product that helped.
    All in all this stacked worked wonders for me. Just had to tough out the lack of libido for a bit and get all the chemical crap out of my system. I finally felt young again. I would sometimes use VPX's black pearl for an immediate boost. It did work.
    Lastly if you aren't having any success. Try what I did when I was still using. It works great but it's not natural. I used a half dose of the liquid cialis research chem daily (it helped even when I had quit taking it) I also tried bromocriptine. It inhibits prolactin which I feel is HUGELY effective at giving you your wood back.
  

  
 

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