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  1. We are not starting an organization to police the industry, hopefully that would happen on its own. We more want to stop the horrible press thrown upon the sport supplement world thanks to Balco and Mark McGuire with his bull**** "andro" remark.

    This is about protecting our freedoms and our right to buy supplements. As for the advertising, if they can't get Extenz off the air with it's "made it bigger" marketing, then the world doesn't care about advertising really.
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  2. I never meant for my post to imply any attempt at policing the industry. My opinion is that if these studies/information was made available it would make it much more difficult for the media to imply no one knows what is in the product. Also it would clear up any lingering questions in parents and/or loved ones' heads about what we are taking. Also it would give little ground for people to stand on if they try to say "Oh I thought (insert designer steriod here) was in my Creatine."

    It would protect all of us.

    I should add that randomized batch testing would help as well. But I think some or most companies are doing this already.

    Also I don't think any of this should be government enforced, rather privatized. I don't trust the Federal Government one solitary bit.

  3. Quote Originally Posted by WhenAllFails View Post
    I never meant for my post to imply any attempt at policing the industry. My opinion is that if these studies/information was made available it would make it much more difficult for the media to imply no one knows what is in the product. Also it would clear up any lingering questions in parents and/or loved ones' heads about what we are taking. Also it would give little ground for people to stand on if they try to say "Oh I thought (insert designer steriod here) was in my Creatine."

    It would protect all of us.

    I should add that randomized batch testing would help as well. But I think some or most companies are doing this already.

    Also I don't think any of this should be government enforced, rather privatized. I don't trust the Federal Government one solitary bit.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by WhenAllFails View Post
    I never meant for my post to imply any attempt at policing the industry. My opinion is that if these studies/information was made available it would make it much more difficult for the media to imply no one knows what is in the product. Also it would clear up any lingering questions in parents and/or loved ones' heads about what we are taking. Also it would give little ground for people to stand on if they try to say "Oh I thought (insert designer steriod here) was in my Creatine."

    It would protect all of us.

    I should add that randomized batch testing would help as well. But I think some or most companies are doing this already.

    Also I don't think any of this should be government enforced, rather privatized. I don't trust the Federal Government one solitary bit.
    I concur. Very Good.

    And great signature quote by the way.
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  5. The new FDA regs should really help with the ingredients being IN the products, they have GMP coming up along with the new regs that require testing of many kinds and samples to be done.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by LegalGear View Post
    The new FDA regs should really help with the ingredients being IN the products, they have GMP coming up along with the new regs that require testing of many kinds and samples to be done.
    the FDA scares me...I don't think they'd do our industry or sport (whichever) any benefit. They look at our kind sort of like a stain from what I can tell. Seeing as how they go on Doc recommendations of one gram of protein per kilo and such. We'd have to place our industry separate, at least in supplementation. Keep their dirty fingers out so we can keep supplement costs from rising too much. Plus they'd (the FDA) mark everything from creatine to Melatonin as an Anabolic Steroid or HGH precursor.

  7. You know, we have had many dealings with the FDA (as you probably are aware) and honestly, they are decent, hard working people that do their best in a very overwhelming job. They leave supplements alone unless someone in congress gets a bug up their ass from one of the lobbying firms like the whole sports lobby for Balco. If we had our own lobby, they could be educated on sports supplements. They are much more hands off than other countries and from what I can tell easier to work with...

  8. Quote Originally Posted by LegalGear View Post
    You know, we have had many dealings with the FDA (as you probably are aware) and honestly, they are decent, hard working people that do their best in a very overwhelming job. They leave supplements alone unless someone in congress gets a bug up their ass from one of the lobbying firms like the whole sports lobby for Balco. If we had our own lobby, they could be educated on sports supplements. They are much more hands off than other countries and from what I can tell easier to work with...
    finally a drop of good news when it comes to feds. If there's anything or anyone I can contact in North Carolina. Please feel free to let me know. If i'm not mistaken ISS is based out of North Carolina...

  9. The situation is very hopeful if we have proper representation. The way the ban of 2004 was handled has taught me a lot. Politicians only care about politics and the politics of sports doping is real with a huge amount of money that goes unopposed. Most congress people don't understand the differences between an person and an athlete. They are trying to go after GH now, which is amazing to me since it is such a small thing compared to heroin and meth. It is such a non-important issue though that a 20k lobbiest would make a huge difference.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by LegalGear View Post
    The situation is very hopeful if we have proper representation. The way the ban of 2004 was handled has taught me a lot. Politicians only care about politics and the politics of sports doping is real with a huge amount of money that goes unopposed. Most congress people don't understand the differences between an person and an athlete. They are trying to go after GH now, which is amazing to me since it is such a small thing compared to heroin and meth. It is such a non-important issue though that a 20k lobbiest would make a huge difference.
    from the way he talks we could probably (if this grew sizeably) get Stallone on our bandwagon. He seems the most open celebrity when it comes to supplementation and Growth Hormone. I know that's pipe dreaming but having that kind of power on our side would be dramatically beneficial

  11. Rambo...on OUR side. We're saved.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by SFRANGER View Post
    Rambo...on OUR side. We're saved.
    I second this. Sly would be a great personality to have representing a group like this in the media. Maybe the Arnold as well after he ends his run as head of California? The main thing is to get not only get known people, but also to get people who are at least somewhat knowledgeable about the supplements in general.

    Now if you don't mind, I'm off to get my B-15 shot and lift heavy things.
    "I am legally blind and if I can Squat,deadlift and over all get myself to the gym then anyone can get their a$$ in gear and get strong!!" - malleus25
    WHITE WHALE!

  13. Quote Originally Posted by SilentBob187 View Post
    I second this. Sly would be a great personality to have representing a group like this in the media. Maybe the Arnold as well after he ends his run as head of California? The main thing is to get not only get known people, but also to get people who are at least somewhat knowledgeable about the supplements in general.

    Now if you don't mind, I'm off to get my B-15 shot and lift heavy things.
    That would be awesome!

  14. so what is happening with this?

    after the FDA gang band, i figured this would be a high priority. anyone know the first step that needs to be taken?

    i'm tire of my supplements getting pulled off the shelves, so to speak.

  15. this is a very interesting idea and could work. might be a good idea to start with developing a certain amount of people to begin the initial organizing of this. find say....... a dozen people in the industry (who don't have their heads in their ass) and put this together. it's going to take a bit of time to hash out all the details and ideas but WTF theres enough of us to get this going. the main idea should be information, informing the uneducated about the pros and cons of what we do, one problem is that i can go into an on-line store, buy a SD clone, take it for 2 months at whatever kind of doses i want to, do nothing for PCT, really f-up my self and turn around and point the figure at YOU the supplement company, and that sucks, but WTF I'm not informed, right? everyone knows that if i take a bottle of aspirin at one time I'm going to have problems right? well why? it's because that's what i was informed. so i don't do that, and I'm fine in that regard. doing something similar of course would benefit that industry, consumer and health care professionals at large. And please don't give me that crap "well the person should have looked into what they were going to take" crap...because simply put, the masses are asses. (oh and i would not be a good canidate for being one of the dozen or so people needed to get this thing off the ground, but i am a good worker bee)
    Last edited by lennoxchi; 04-19-2008 at 12:17 PM. Reason: spelling-i english speak good

  16. AX is interested. I think it has serious potential!

  17. I would love for IBE to get on board as well. I should talk to Lakemountd etc.

    We need to act before they take away formestane from us too

  18. Please let all of the supp companies on here know, if they don't already. Spread the word and let's make something good come of this!

  19. I'll forward this along to Donorrell to checkout.

    Thanks for bringing it to my attention Neo!

  20. This does sound very interesting.
    PharmD

  21. Seriously, they will take everything except prescriptions away from us, if we allow it......honestly!

    I would really like to be a part of this movement. Someone guide me and I'll start lighting fires!!!

  22. Quote Originally Posted by neoborn View Post
    Seriously, they will take everything except prescriptions away from us, if we allow it......honestly!

    I would really like to be a part of this movement. Someone guide me and I'll start lighting fires!!!
    Elbow deep inside the borderline.
    Show me that you love me and that we belong together.
    Shoulder deep within the borderline.
    Relax. turn around and take my hand.

    Oh wait... not how you wished to be guided.

    Adams
    The Historic PES Legend

  23. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Elbow deep inside the borderline.
    Show me that you love me and that we belong together.
    Shoulder deep within the borderline.
    Relax. turn around and take my hand.

    Oh wait... not how you wished to be guided.

    Adams


    Stay on target!

  24. DAdams! Quit listening to so much Tool! I want my freedom! Just tell me what I can do to help peoples!
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