If we started an association

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  1. I'll solicit Legal Gear for you. ...anyone else?


  2. This sounds very intriguing, but the pharmaceutical companies have one of the most powerful lobbys in D.C. It even equals the oil industries' lobyy. I definitely would love to have a voice in the debate.

    I love the idea decriminalization of steroids as a first step because i doubt that outright legalization even as a controlled substance is possible with all of this Roger Clemens bull popping up around Sportscenter.
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  3. Well, most nutritional support for this comes under fire because of sports. First job would be to seperate ourselves from athletes and clean up the industry as far as selling to kids. Even a voluntary over 21 label would be a good first start like we have had since the begining.

  4. I would be down having companies to have to meet label claims and to show ID to purchase but that would mean internet sales would drop think about it. how could you go about the purchase online thing , anyone could use someone else credit card, so thats a whole other can of worm. I also believe PA could help I dont think you should single him out

  5. Quote Originally Posted by BLACK747 View Post
    I would be down having companies to have to meet label claims and to show ID to purchase but that would mean internet sales would drop think about it. how could you go about the purchase online thing , anyone could use someone else credit card, so thats a whole other can of worm. I also believe PA could help I dont think you should single him out
    There are many things that are age restrictive that can be purchased online. Credit Card purchases include a clause that says that the card holder is at least 18 years old, or has permission of card holder to use said card.

    A first step in the right direction would be for the supplement industry to at least put intended ages on bottles. Don't need kids taking product in their formative years that can potentially stunt their growth.

    I know DSHEA is a pain, but would it be possible to include more items on certain labels? Like on products that can produce adverse effects if not dosed properly or taken without proper cycle or pct. Items that can protect consumers as well as the companies, that way even the uninformed will have no excuse not to use a product properly or without proper additional items (pct, etc.)

    I really like how we're still throwing ideas around in here. I still want my Million Muscle March!
    "I am legally blind and if I can Squat,deadlift and over all get myself to the gym then anyone can get their a$$ in gear and get strong!!" - malleus25
    WHITE WHALE!
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  6. I agree but if you really want to clean up the supplement industry you have to look at everything including these run of the mill companies coming out saying they contain one thing and they dont and when they are caught in the wrong and called on it they threating with a law suit. For one thing its to easy for supplement companies to bring new supplements out without it bieng tested to meet label claims and i wish they would stop with all this fancy chemical talk break it down simple stupid [[peace]]

  7. A quick rule of thumb to people if you cant read whats on the label dont buy it.

  8. So as opposed to shooting everything down how about being a little more constructive?

    Maybe the installment of a reputable, unbiased facility that third party tests supplements to ensure that what's on the label is what's in the product. But if I were to say that I would be met with 'blah blah blah they'd be bought and become corrupt blee blee blee.'

    There are many ways to get your point across without completely disavowing someone elses'.
    "I am legally blind and if I can Squat,deadlift and over all get myself to the gym then anyone can get their a$$ in gear and get strong!!" - malleus25
    WHITE WHALE!

  9. listen homeboy im not shooting everybody down im just stating my opinion on something if i offend you im sorry but the problem still exist

  10. point still bieng if you dont know what you are taking i guess i should have put it that way ,dont take it and like i said before son PA could help.

  11. All I'm saying is that it's usually more constructive to think of solutions instead of additional problems.
    "I am legally blind and if I can Squat,deadlift and over all get myself to the gym then anyone can get their a$$ in gear and get strong!!" - malleus25
    WHITE WHALE!

  12. I agree my friend [ i guess i should have said more simple labels is needed and holding supplement companies more accountable.

  13. the label claims on some of these products needs to be more regulated also.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by BLACK747 View Post
    the label claims on some of these products needs to be more regulated also.
    But you CAN gain 8lbs in just 14 days with Nitrotech...I don't see the problem

    In honesty I do agree with you. Some of the claims are a bit out there, 8 pounds of lean mass in 14 days...that's not natural.

    Perhaps use averages/medians/etc. instead of that one oddity or genetic freak that yields ridiculous numbers when introduced to the product. I pick on Muscle Tech, but they do cite sources. Whether or not those sources are relevant to the product or if they're just using the one genetic anomaly from the results, they are allowing for customer investigation. But would enough people really inquire about those studies to justify supplement companies including them on their labels...or would including them on the label ensure a sort of (false?) legitimacy that encourages a sale?
    "I am legally blind and if I can Squat,deadlift and over all get myself to the gym then anyone can get their a$$ in gear and get strong!!" - malleus25
    WHITE WHALE!

  15. yeah i know but when some of these so call psophisicated companies come out with these claims of outlandish muscle growth pulling the unimformed in claiming drug like gains are crazy and greedy and thats one of the problem facing the supp industry as a whole and you are right who really research everything they take we all should and muscletech not the only company that makes these claims they just get more media coverage so to say lol

  16. Quote Originally Posted by BLACK747 View Post
    yeah i know but when some of these so call psophisicated companies come out with these claims of outlandish muscle growth pulling the unimformed in claiming drug like gains are crazy and greedy and thats one of the problem facing the supp industry as a whole and you are right who really research everything they take we all should and muscletech not the only company that makes these claims they just get more media coverage so to say lol
    dude. i'm sorry bro, but use some punctuation. i had to read this like 4 or 5 times to try to understand it.

  17. how about requiring supplement companies to have available clinical studies explaining why and how their products work? If you want them that is. It wouldn't be attached to every product sold, but available on their website or by mail or something. This way it's a little more clear cut when people say Cell tech puts on so many hundreds of pounds of lean mass in a year



    love that smiley

  18. i dig the association idea.

  19. man whatever.

  20. Next time ,i will try to be a little more clearer. [dude] lol

  21. if this is actually possible we do need to start organizing. It's a great idea for people who are like us, not just bodybuilders, but everyone. Gathering a list of Senators Representatives and Congress members we could contact as well as possible brands who, also, might be interested. This way several people, not just the handful who have discussed this here, could attempt to convince them to join 'our side' if you will. I'm assuming such "high standard" labels such as Muscletech and BSN wouldn't care. But the smaller brands like ALRI might jump all over it. Just my 0.02

  22. Someone start something for me to join and help.

    Give me

    1. Join >>>Superduperbbassociation.com <<<

    2. Then do 'x'

    3. Let others know about 1 & 2

    etc? Someone spark some sh!t and I'll fan the flames and get creative.

  23. Well, the Arnold is coming up and I will talk to everyone about it there (smaller companies) then we can solicit the bigger ones too. We don't need much money, just a small amount per company would do it, like $1000 I think and we could actually have a voice in congress. The healthcare thing would just be a side benefit for people to join. Lower cost healthcare is something people can get through an association.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by LegalGear View Post
    Well, the Arnold is coming up and I will talk to everyone about it there (smaller companies) then we can solicit the bigger ones too. We don't need much money, just a small amount per company would do it, like $1000 I think and we could actually have a voice in congress. The healthcare thing would just be a side benefit for people to join. Lower cost healthcare is something people can get through an association.
    Would be awesome! I think companies would be willing to join. Bigger companies may think they need to run the show though.

  25. I'm in. I work in DC and I see first hand what a couple of lobbyists/congressional liaisons can do. It is absolutely insane the way our system works (by this I mean that I am disillusioned by the way that you can figure out how everything in Washington works by 'following the money') - and if no one is representing our interests as far as supplements go, someone with a monetary interest is going to take it eventually, and turn it into profit for themselves.
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