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    The new FDA regs should really help with the ingredients being IN the products, they have GMP coming up along with the new regs that require testing of many kinds and samples to be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LegalGear View Post
    The new FDA regs should really help with the ingredients being IN the products, they have GMP coming up along with the new regs that require testing of many kinds and samples to be done.
    the FDA scares me...I don't think they'd do our industry or sport (whichever) any benefit. They look at our kind sort of like a stain from what I can tell. Seeing as how they go on Doc recommendations of one gram of protein per kilo and such. We'd have to place our industry separate, at least in supplementation. Keep their dirty fingers out so we can keep supplement costs from rising too much. Plus they'd (the FDA) mark everything from creatine to Melatonin as an Anabolic Steroid or HGH precursor.
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    You know, we have had many dealings with the FDA (as you probably are aware) and honestly, they are decent, hard working people that do their best in a very overwhelming job. They leave supplements alone unless someone in congress gets a bug up their ass from one of the lobbying firms like the whole sports lobby for Balco. If we had our own lobby, they could be educated on sports supplements. They are much more hands off than other countries and from what I can tell easier to work with...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LegalGear View Post
    You know, we have had many dealings with the FDA (as you probably are aware) and honestly, they are decent, hard working people that do their best in a very overwhelming job. They leave supplements alone unless someone in congress gets a bug up their ass from one of the lobbying firms like the whole sports lobby for Balco. If we had our own lobby, they could be educated on sports supplements. They are much more hands off than other countries and from what I can tell easier to work with...
    finally a drop of good news when it comes to feds. If there's anything or anyone I can contact in North Carolina. Please feel free to let me know. If i'm not mistaken ISS is based out of North Carolina...
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    The situation is very hopeful if we have proper representation. The way the ban of 2004 was handled has taught me a lot. Politicians only care about politics and the politics of sports doping is real with a huge amount of money that goes unopposed. Most congress people don't understand the differences between an person and an athlete. They are trying to go after GH now, which is amazing to me since it is such a small thing compared to heroin and meth. It is such a non-important issue though that a 20k lobbiest would make a huge difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LegalGear View Post
    The situation is very hopeful if we have proper representation. The way the ban of 2004 was handled has taught me a lot. Politicians only care about politics and the politics of sports doping is real with a huge amount of money that goes unopposed. Most congress people don't understand the differences between an person and an athlete. They are trying to go after GH now, which is amazing to me since it is such a small thing compared to heroin and meth. It is such a non-important issue though that a 20k lobbiest would make a huge difference.
    from the way he talks we could probably (if this grew sizeably) get Stallone on our bandwagon. He seems the most open celebrity when it comes to supplementation and Growth Hormone. I know that's pipe dreaming but having that kind of power on our side would be dramatically beneficial
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    Quote Originally Posted by SFRANGER View Post
    Rambo...on OUR side. We're saved.
    I second this. Sly would be a great personality to have representing a group like this in the media. Maybe the Arnold as well after he ends his run as head of California? The main thing is to get not only get known people, but also to get people who are at least somewhat knowledgeable about the supplements in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilentBob187 View Post
    I second this. Sly would be a great personality to have representing a group like this in the media. Maybe the Arnold as well after he ends his run as head of California? The main thing is to get not only get known people, but also to get people who are at least somewhat knowledgeable about the supplements in general.

    Now if you don't mind, I'm off to get my B-15 shot and lift heavy things.
    That would be awesome!
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    so what is happening with this?

    after the FDA gang band, i figured this would be a high priority. anyone know the first step that needs to be taken?

    i'm tire of my supplements getting pulled off the shelves, so to speak.
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    this is a very interesting idea and could work. might be a good idea to start with developing a certain amount of people to begin the initial organizing of this. find say....... a dozen people in the industry (who don't have their heads in their ass) and put this together. it's going to take a bit of time to hash out all the details and ideas but WTF theres enough of us to get this going. the main idea should be information, informing the uneducated about the pros and cons of what we do, one problem is that i can go into an on-line store, buy a SD clone, take it for 2 months at whatever kind of doses i want to, do nothing for PCT, really f-up my self and turn around and point the figure at YOU the supplement company, and that sucks, but WTF I'm not informed, right? everyone knows that if i take a bottle of aspirin at one time I'm going to have problems right? well why? it's because that's what i was informed. so i don't do that, and I'm fine in that regard. doing something similar of course would benefit that industry, consumer and health care professionals at large. And please don't give me that crap "well the person should have looked into what they were going to take" crap...because simply put, the masses are asses. (oh and i would not be a good canidate for being one of the dozen or so people needed to get this thing off the ground, but i am a good worker bee)
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    AX is interested. I think it has serious potential!
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    I would love for IBE to get on board as well. I should talk to Lakemountd etc.

    We need to act before they take away formestane from us too
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    Please let all of the supp companies on here know, if they don't already. Spread the word and let's make something good come of this!
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    I'll forward this along to Donorrell to checkout.

    Thanks for bringing it to my attention Neo!
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    This does sound very interesting.
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    Seriously, they will take everything except prescriptions away from us, if we allow it......honestly!

    I would really like to be a part of this movement. Someone guide me and I'll start lighting fires!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by neoborn View Post
    Seriously, they will take everything except prescriptions away from us, if we allow it......honestly!

    I would really like to be a part of this movement. Someone guide me and I'll start lighting fires!!!
    Elbow deep inside the borderline.
    Show me that you love me and that we belong together.
    Shoulder deep within the borderline.
    Relax. turn around and take my hand.

    Oh wait... not how you wished to be guided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Elbow deep inside the borderline.
    Show me that you love me and that we belong together.
    Shoulder deep within the borderline.
    Relax. turn around and take my hand.

    Oh wait... not how you wished to be guided.

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    Stay on target!
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    DAdams! Quit listening to so much Tool! I want my freedom! Just tell me what I can do to help peoples!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattikus View Post
    DAdams! Quit listening to so much Tool! I want my freedom! Just tell me what I can do to help peoples!
    I was hoping everyone got that... if not, I would look like some kinda tool (ZING).

    Personally I write my congressman when I have issues. Did that with Ephedra, and the andro ban. Actually got positive responses from both.

    There used to be a lobby association setup by McCandles, guess that didnt go very far though... I never heard much from them. Maybe ask him how he got things rolling though. Just a start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBE View Post
    count IBE in
    Told ya we would be in LG .
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    Quote Originally Posted by LakeMountD View Post
    Told ya we would be in LG .

    Sounds great! To have AX and IBE in along with Possibly AN, thatd be great!!!
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    when are we gonna get started
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    Quote Originally Posted by IBE View Post
    when are we gonna get started
    As soon as i get some of your guys new product! jk jk!!

    Im curious too, I know E's gotta be excited about this, i know i am! Lets get this ish poppin'!!!
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    PS- After reading through this it sort of feels like Lord of the Rings! I call Froto! Neo can be the fruitcake elf with the bow haha .
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    Quote Originally Posted by LakeMountD View Post
    PS- After reading through this it sort of feels like Lord of the Rings! I call Froto! Neo can be the fruitcake elf with the bow haha .
    Ill be the fat one since im fat right now.. :donut:
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    Lol who's the dark Lord?
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    Add me to the list of interested people. Please keep me posted.

    Thank you...


    Quote Originally Posted by LegalGear View Post
    Would you join?

    This association would provide for it's members:

    1) Hopefully reduced health care for both supplement company owners and individuals that wish to opt in...low cost health care is something everyone should have and I beleive that we could get an association together that would give it's members access to reduced healthcare for those that wish to buy it (there is strength in numbers for buying health care)

    2) A lobby to provide a counter to all of the mis-information that is thrown towards sports supplements AND things like steroids. I don't support full legalization (mainly cuz it won't happen) but de-criminalization is certainly a good thing. Someone doing juice isn't anywhere near the cocaine and heroin addict and should be treated differently.

    Just a thought...ideas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattikus View Post
    Lol who's the dark Lord?

    Well i have really seen all of the Lord of the Rings but if the Dark Lord is indeed a bad person , im sure we can put 2 n 2 togethor here!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT View Post
    Well i have really seen all of the Lord of the Rings but if the Dark Lord is indeed a bad person , im sure we can put 2 n 2 togethor here!
    If you break out your wizard hat, staff, and acne, I'm outta here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LakeMountD View Post
    PS- After reading through this it sort of feels like Lord of the Rings! I call Froto! Neo can be the fruitcake elf with the bow haha .
    But.....but I wanna be tigger!

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBE View Post
    count IBE in


    Please update the first post with a list of companies joining. This will help keep it organized.

    1. AX
    2. AN
    3. IBE
    4?

    Where's AI?? hmmm Crowlerrrrrrrrrrrr???
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    If you break out your wizard hat, staff, and acne, I'm outta here.

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    Lol Neo. I take back what I said in MST's thread about you being public speaker for the association. Lmao.
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    I put on my robe and wizard's hat.

    I have nothing to contribute but an additional voice but I am still all for this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LegalGear View Post
    Would you join?

    This association would provide for it's members:

    1) Hopefully reduced health care for both supplement company owners and individuals that wish to opt in...low cost health care is something everyone should have and I beleive that we could get an association together that would give it's members access to reduced healthcare for those that wish to buy it (there is strength in numbers for buying health care)

    2) A lobby to provide a counter to all of the mis-information that is thrown towards sports supplements AND things like steroids. I don't support full legalization (mainly cuz it won't happen) but de-criminalization is certainly a good thing. Someone doing juice isn't anywhere near the cocaine and heroin addict and should be treated differently.

    Just a thought...ideas?
    I think a organization seperate from Pro sports is the answer.Freedom,safe and leave the feds outta the loop.
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    This is a great idea, especailly since the DEA is about to ban Phera,Bold,Trena
  

  
 

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