Info on NEW M1-D Black
- 07-06-2011, 02:48 PM
Info on NEW M1-D Black
THE SCIENCE BEHIND M1D BLACK
M1D is a advanced version of our popular hormone products, it is a prohormone that may convert into testosterone at a very high rate. It is a very elegant product that needs some explaining!
Prohormone 100mg **
3beta-Hydroxyandrost-5-Ene-17-One - the prohormone
Metabolism Complex 590mg **
2-Phenyl-Di-Benzyl-Benzopyran-4-One – a non-steroidal aromatase inhibitor shown in preliminary studies to be stronger than ATD and 6-OXO.
Phellodendron - in one preliminary study, this ingredient works like Tamoxifen in the body to block estrogen.
L-Carnitine L Tartrate - according to studies, carnitine may make testosterone more active at the receptor.
Cissus quadrangularis - this extract may reduce cortisol and is anabolic.
Luteolin - Sulfotransferase Inhibitor which is one of the main ways hormones are excreted (sulfated hormones are rapidly excreted) thus increasing the life of your hormones
Piperine - Glucoronidase inhibitor which is another main way hormones are excreted (glucoronidated testosterone is rapidly excreted in the body for example) thus increasing the life of your hormones
Stinging Nettle Extract - according to preliminary studies, may reduce SHBG and DHT, to make more testosterone available and may also reduce 5aReductase activity which is the enzyme that converts testosterone to DHT (5aReductase is another way to deactivate testosterone)
- 07-06-2011, 02:52 PM
07-06-2011, 04:46 PM
I'm currently in the middle of my second week of m1d. What could I expect differently from m1d black compared to the current m1d?
07-06-2011, 04:51 PM
07-06-2011, 06:31 PM
07-06-2011, 08:10 PM
07-06-2011, 08:37 PM
Excited for this, M1D always served me well!
When an omega male is born it's game over
07-06-2011, 08:41 PM
07-06-2011, 08:51 PM
07-06-2011, 09:14 PM
Will it be sublingual ?
It is a enchance DHEA a bit not just straight DHEA, a reps will explain it better
07-06-2011, 09:41 PM
07-06-2011, 09:49 PM
3beta-Hydroxyandrost-5-Ene-17-One instead of dhea... why be misleading???...
i understand the need to make products and sell them, i understand people have families to feed..... but why market dhea as a muscle building supplement when its useless for this purpose.
07-08-2011, 12:31 PM
07-10-2011, 10:33 PM
I still think LG should just write DHEA as DHEA instead of the crazy formula which causes people to think LG is trying to trick their customers. Eric wrote a great article a while back on why DHEA worked the way it did in M1D, so there is no reason that the same rationalization and information could be given with the new black version.
The real question I have is why LG decided to go with the same old DHEA as before as opposed to one of the newer, seemingly more effective types that are used in Primordials products and in the AMS products etc
07-12-2011, 03:31 PM
If you want to suggest the proper name for DHEA on the label, then shouldnt it say 5-Dehydroepiandrosterone and not DHEA? And if it did say 5-Dehydroepiandrosterone couldn't your misleading argument still be applied since not many people know what that is?
It is well known that these products contain DHEA, it isn't a cover up or marketing ploy. Yes this product does contain dhea along with other key ingredients that may add or take away from the potency of the product and you suggesting that they are being misleading or that DHEA is pointless then you either have no clue or are being disingenuous. DHEA has so many pathways and can convert to numerous hormones
And as far as M1D is just plain DHEA .. see write up on the previous M1D below
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance." - Socrates
07-12-2011, 04:00 PM
07-12-2011, 04:29 PM
07-12-2011, 07:12 PM
07-12-2011, 07:45 PM
I apoligize if my post came off in a hostile manner as that was not my intention although your posting seems to be clearly an attack of a supplement in their own sub-forum but regardless that was not my intention so i apologize if you took it that way
And to address your points..
So it is okay to use the chemical name of one compound but not another? And this rule is based of your percieved effectiveness of said product?no, because superdrol works for building muscle...
Your issue was the chemical name was used (3beta-Hydroxyandrost-5-Ene-17-One) and not the slang name (DHEA) so my response was do you have the same concern for other prohormones that use the chemical name rather than the proper or slang one?
M1D is much more than just DHEA.dhea i havent seen be effective in young healthy males
The problem with DHEA is that it must undergo two enzymatic conversions to arrive at testosterone and has two chances to aromatize into estrogen during these conversions. This can result in higher estrogen levels and LG has taken this into account and added ingredients along with DHEA in order to channel the conversion to testosterone along with reducing conversion to estrogenic and androgenic metabolites.
Again prohormones have traditionally always had the chemical name on the label. The proper name of DHEA would have been 5-Dehydroepiandrosterone and this could have been just as confusing as the chemical name. Like I said prior it is well known that M1D contain DHEA and no one from LG tried to hide or deny this so your accusation is really just unfounded.i just personally believe the label was listed the way it was to confuse people who have no clue what theyre reading/doing
I think I explained the estrogen conversion above already. As for the other key ingredients.. I dont know if you noticed but when I quoted the write up I specifically put "see write up on the previous M1D below", note the bold underlined work there?dhea converts at a high rate to estrogen when administered orally... what other key ingredients? ATD=anti androgen... worthless.... even if the dhea is converting to test because of the ATD, its also rendered useless because of ATD
In the original post he states that 2-Phenyl-Di-Benzyl-Benzopyran-4-One (which is a 7,8-benz derivative) is the AI used NOT ATD.
I dont need anyone to buy anything. I have no affliation with LG Science and have no benefit from sales of this product. I was simply checking recent post and your post caught my attention so I responded.i understand you need people to buy supps, the sad part is... most people dont know what works and what doesnt... i can tell you that atd and dhea isnt something i would wanna be putting into my body
I understand that you have no interest in this product nor DHEA. However, what I dont understand then is why even comment in the thread? Or attempt to discredit the company and make it seem like they are trying to pull a fast one?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance." - Socrates
07-12-2011, 09:31 PM
Hormonal agents are very good at reversing the damage that environmental toxins are doing to your body. If you ask me, everyone should be on something similar to M1D Black to block estrogen and raise the androgenic environment.
An AI and 5-DHEA or whatever you prefer to call it can raise test levels as much as 250-500mg of Testosterone injections per week. It's been shown in the literature. The term DHEA is meaningless and misleading, better to use the proper nomenclature so people know what they are getting.
07-12-2011, 10:19 PM
Well, i come back from vacation and i find i've gotten some nice support from a Taurus bro. Thanks Judo, really wasn't looking foreward to typing out a whole slew of facts, you did it for me
07-13-2011, 08:12 PM
at least you didn't use the IUPAC nomenclature of (3S,8R,9S,10R,13S,14S)-3-hydroxy-10,13-dimethyl-1,2,3,4,7,8,9,11,12,14,15,16-dodecahydrocyclopenta[a]phenanthren-17-one haha.
but seriously, have you guys been thinking about the other forms of dhea like the ones PP and AMS are utilizing?
I'll give M1D black a shot... also always been a fan of M1D as a base on other cycles
07-15-2011, 06:19 PM
07-15-2011, 08:59 PM
07-16-2011, 02:45 PM
As far as studies go, are you asking to prove DHEA converts to the other hormones or are you asking about the AI's usage or what exactly are you asking about? All the explanations that Eric wrote in that post long ago regarding the ingredients are pretty well accepted and known...a simple PubMed search can confirm them.
Also, if you look at the price per mg of the stuff in stores its not really that cheap. Throw in an AI etc and the price would be through the roof. If you are looking for dhea with those extras, then LG's product is pretty competitively priced at online retailers.
I see it as a matter of weighing out the benefits and possible harm of this type of prohormone vs a designer steorid. Sure the gains aren't as crazy but there are a lot of other factors that go into using something like superdrol or halodrol etc. that don't need to be mitigated with this type of supplement or even the AMS or PP products for the most part. And then there is the legality of the different types... these are DSHEA compliant etc. There are a lot of factors going into why you would use this for a cycle or on a cycle of something else so IMO its not as cut and dry as "Ill only gain 6-9lbs on this so superdrol is better cuz i may gain 20 bro"
07-16-2011, 03:33 PM
07-16-2011, 04:16 PM
Let's put it this way. We just finished up 3 logs on bb.com with experienced older lifters. These guys have 10 years under their belts and are in amazing shape. All 3 subjects gained a legit 3-4lbs of LBM off the Trifecta. Yes, 3-4 L B M on an advanced lifter. That is quite amazing considering the legality of our products. Our DHEA ester works, and works well when paired with MMV. M1-D Black will be even better with the addition of a better delivery system, LCLT, and Phellodendron. Our product is in NO WAY comparable to plain old DHEA from Wal Mart. If you believe that, you seriously have a lack of chem understanding. Or you're just an angry troll. Don't like our products? Sorry. Then don't buy it. Those that do take M1-D Black will have positive experiences if they're diet and training are in check. We're not offering Superdrol here, we're offering FDA compliant formulas that will help you attain your goals. Not many other companies can do that.
07-16-2011, 04:17 PM
07-16-2011, 09:49 PM
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07-16-2011, 09:50 PM
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