[bullet]

First of all let me say that Jungle warfare has worked awsome on me. I put on about 9lbs of lean muscle in 30 days. Howeve r i had some bad side effects. Barely controlable rage, crazy anxiety and the worst of all going hypoglycemic really bad a few times. Now i understand the rage and anxiety could come from the increased test. But why on earth would i go so badly hypoglycemic? i loved the efects that JW had on my body, but inside, i was a mess.. I'd really like to give it another go, but does anyone know how i could control the symptoms on it? I'm also considering using Bad Ass Mass. Could that also have the same effects on me?

[jonny21]

Originally Posted by bullet

First of all let me say that Jungle warfare has worked awsome on me. I put on about 9lbs of lean muscle in 30 days. Howeve r i had some bad side effects. Barely controlable rage, crazy anxiety and the worst of all going hypoglycemic really bad a few times. Now i understand the rage and anxiety could come from the increased test. But why on earth would i go so badly hypoglycemic? i loved the efects that JW had on my body, but inside, i was a mess.. I'd really like to give it another go, but does anyone know how i could control the symptoms on it? I'm also considering using Bad Ass Mass. Could that also have the same effects on me?

How Hypo? what were your glucose levels? fasting and post prandial?

[Viperspit]

Originally Posted by bullet

First of all let me say that Jungle warfare has worked awsome on me. I put on about 9lbs of lean muscle in 30 days. Howeve r i had some bad side effects. Barely controlable rage, crazy anxiety and the worst of all going hypoglycemic really bad a few times. Now i understand the rage and anxiety could come from the increased test. But why on earth would i go so badly hypoglycemic? i loved the efects that JW had on my body, but inside, i was a mess.. I'd really like to give it another go, but does anyone know how i could control the symptoms on it? I'm also considering using Bad Ass Mass. Could that also have the same effects on me?

The reaction or hypoglycemic feeling you were having is most likely due to one of the extraction compounds in mormondica chirantia. It tends to increase insulin receptor activity/sensitivity in lean tissue resulting in rapid glucose/amino acid up-take and a drop in circulatory levels.

This is why we are always telling everyone to take in carbs when dosing the JW. This will also help prevent the potential for any headache issue that may arise from the drop in blood glucose levels.

Increased aggresion is commonly reported, but usually under a very controlled or controllable level. If you were experienceing levels of "Rage", maybe you should reconsider on taking JW again. I'd hate to see you or anyone get hurt, your safety is more important.

As far as the Bad Ass Mass is concerned, the potential for the hypoglycemic feelings should not be present. However, I'm not sure about the aggression factors. You may want to read up on some of the logs that are currently underway at our Website.

Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any further questions.

[wheels]

Originally Posted by Viperspit

The reaction or hypoglycemic feeling you were having is most likely due to one of the extraction compounds in mormondica chirantia. It tends to increase insulin receptor activity/sensitivity in lean tissue resulting in rapid glucose/amino acid up-take and a drop in circulatory levels.

This is why we are always telling everyone to take in carbs when dosing the JW. This will also help prevent the potential for any headache issue that may arise from the drop in blood glucose levels.

Increased aggresion is commonly reported, but usually under a very controlled or controllable level. If you were experienceing levels of "Rage", maybe you should reconsider on taking JW again. I'd hate to see you or anyone get hurt, your safety is more important.

As far as the Bad Ass Mass is concerned, the potential for the hypoglycemic feelings should not be present. However, I'm not sure about the aggression factors. You may want to read up on some of the logs that are currently underway at our Website.

Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any further questions.

So is it a bad ideal to take anabolic pump while using jw ?

[bullet]

Originally Posted by Viperspit

The reaction or hypoglycemic feeling you were having is most likely due to one of the extraction compounds in mormondica chirantia. It tends to increase insulin receptor activity/sensitivity in lean tissue resulting in rapid glucose/amino acid up-take and a drop in circulatory levels.

This is why we are always telling everyone to take in carbs when dosing the JW. This will also help prevent the potential for any headache issue that may arise from the drop in blood glucose levels.

Increased aggresion is commonly reported, but usually under a very controlled or controllable level. If you were experienceing levels of "Rage", maybe you should reconsider on taking JW again. I'd hate to see you or anyone get hurt, your safety is more important.

As far as the Bad Ass Mass is concerned, the potential for the hypoglycemic feelings should not be present. However, I'm not sure about the aggression factors. You may want to read up on some of the logs that are currently underway at our Website.

Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any further questions.

Well i was taking in a lot of carbs, but a few times i couldn't eat my meals on time, and i just got really bad. As far as the rage goes, if somebody would piss me off i'd actually get so mad that i'd be boiling. I'd ge all hot, and red and actually feel sick. It would take me hours to calm down. and anxiety.. well that too... well anyways if you think that BAM wouldn't do that to me, then i think i might give it a try. Thanks

[bullet]

so although hyperdrol and jungle warfare are somewhat similar, but bc hyperdrol does not have mormondica chirantia in it, then i should be ok on it, right? at least as far as the hypoglycemia

[jonny21]

I need to ask, when everyone reports hypoglycemia are there any Lab values or is everyone assuming based on feeling?

[bullet]

well i assumed mine based on feeling... and the fact that as soon as i got some carbs in me within 2-3 min i was feeling better and within 20 min i was back to normal.

[FitnFirm]

Originally Posted by jonny21

I need to ask, when everyone reports hypoglycemia are there any Lab values or is everyone assuming based on feeling?

We expect some users to go hypoglycemic and have posted about it many times, its all about the carbs. We did our own labs on beta testers to see the effect on low carbs, no carbs, and high carbs around doses. Those who ate no or low experienced hormonal headaches and it was relieved by eating carbs. Those that had high carbs did not get the headaches. Because the nutrient repartitioning effect of JW it channels the glucose from carbs to your muscles very quickly, if you do not have enough it can make you hypoglycemic.

[WannaBeHulk]

Originally Posted by FitnFirm

We expect some users to go hypoglycemic and have posted about it many times, its all about the carbs. We did our own labs on beta testers to see the effect on low carbs, no carbs, and high carbs around doses. Those who ate no or low experienced hormonal headaches and it was relieved by eating carbs. Those that had high carbs did not get the headaches. Because the nutrient repartitioning effect of JW it channels the glucose from carbs to your muscles very quickly, if you do not have enough it can make you hypoglycemic.

good info. i wish i was aware when i ran the JW/restore combo. oh well, ill be doing the EVO stack soon enough

[FitnFirm]

Originally Posted by WannaBeHulk

good info. i wish i was aware when i ran the JW/restore combo. oh well, ill be doing the EVO stack soon enough

Did you already purchase it? if not I would like you to test it for me, email me your address if you are up to doing a log for us fitnfirm@comcast.net

[WannaBeHulk]

Originally Posted by FitnFirm

Did you already purchase it? if not I would like you to test it for me, email me your address if you are up to doing a log for us fitnfirm@comcast.net

its cool, i already bought it! im really excited to start the new and improved stack (this time BAM will be involved!). and afterwards, i am gonna finally break upon my venom tri-lean + thyrogen x and start contest prep. im aiming for a show on june 2nd. hopefully, ALRI supps with my diet/training will get me where i wanna be

i really appreciate the offer fit. i would be happy to do an unsponsered log though. just lemme know...

[jonny21]

Originally Posted by FitnFirm

Those who ate no or low experienced hormonal headaches and it was relieved by eating carbs. Those that had high carbs did not get the headaches. Because the nutrient repartitioning effect of JW it channels the glucose from carbs to your muscles very quickly, if you do not have enough it can make you hypoglycemic.

Please expound on what a "low hormonal headche" is.

I would like to know if blood sugars were tested or if any who report hypoglycemia are actually experiencing a blood sugar <70 mg/dl or just think/feel they are.

[FitnFirm]

Originally Posted by jonny21

Please expound on what a "low hormonal headche" is.

I would like to know if blood sugars were tested or if any who report hypoglycemia are actually experiencing a blood sugar <70 mg/dl or just think/feel they are.

I did not say LOW hormonal........... basically everything in your body is controlled by hormones and when something it out of whack (sugar) you can have a headache caused by a hormonal change. Hormones are what send all the little mesagges to every part of your body etc.

[jonny21]

Originally Posted by FitnFirm

I did not say LOW hormonal........... basically everything in your body is controlled by hormones and when something it out of whack (sugar) you can have a headache caused by a hormonal change. Hormones are what send all the little mesagges to every part of your body etc.

Excuse me, hormonal headache is how you put it.

My point is that it is assumed it is low blood sugar. Please try to remember that there might be some people that read the posts on this and any forum that like to know the details; pre & postprandial blood sugars while taking the supplement in question are details that need to be included to support the statements throughout the thread re: hypoglycemia.

Using your words from the above referenced post. How do you know it is the hormonal effect on blood sugar causing the headaches and not some other issue without the lab values to evidence it?

[FitnFirm]

Originally Posted by jonny21

Excuse me, hormonal headache is how you put it.

My point is that it is assumed it is low blood sugar. Please try to remember that there might be some people that read the posts on this and any forum that like to know the details; pre & postprandial blood sugars while taking the supplement in question are details that need to be included to support the statements throughout the thread re: hypoglycemia.

Using your words from the above referenced post. How do you know it is the hormonal effect on blood sugar causing the headaches and not some other issue without the lab values to evidence it?

When the product was in beta state we did our own lab testing, this is how we know.

From ALR : ( been posted many times on different boards)


Headaches while using JW-



This is interesting in that this did not show up in any of the initial testing nor the post production replies for the very first lot. Natually we have had a number since that have reported headaches...uncomfortable and in need of response if explainable/fixable, and of course a concern if not. About two months ago we began monitoring blood glucose levels at the 30-60-120 minute points post use of JW for several users. Thus far (not "conclusive" yet, but I feel confident we have the right issue to address). At the 60-120 minute point post use we have noted the expected drop in blood glucose due to one of the extraction compounds in mormondica chirantia. It tends to increase insulin receptor activity/sensitivity in lean tissue resulting in rapid glucose/amino acid up-take and a drop in circulatory levels. Likely it sounds silly to explain this, but those that had reported headaches showed the lowest glucose level which was gone soon after glucose levels increased. Since then we have been advising people to make sure they eat with ingestion of JW and again within 1 hour and to include a carb. On the plus side it shows the pro-anabolic value of the compound , just as when glucophage or insulin is used, there is an increase in lean mass nuttrient up-take. On the negative we may need to cut back this extraction fraction some in the next run as many use the product when dieting. Our error was in the increase in extraction ratio for the active which since has been taken back to the original. Sometimes, a design works too well, too.