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Jungle Warfare-anybody else go hypoglycemic?

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First of all let me say that Jungle warfare has worked awsome on me. I put on about 9lbs of lean muscle in 30 days. Howeve r i had some bad side effects. Barely controlable rage, crazy anxiety and the worst of all going hypoglycemic really bad a few times. Now i understand the rage and anxiety could come from the increased test. But why on earth would i go so badly hypoglycemic? i loved the efects that JW had on my body, but inside, i was a mess.. I'd really like to give it another go, but does anyone know how i could control the symptoms on it? I'm also considering using Bad Ass Mass. Could that also have the same effects on me?
 
bullet said:
First of all let me say that Jungle warfare has worked awsome on me. I put on about 9lbs of lean muscle in 30 days. Howeve r i had some bad side effects. Barely controlable rage, crazy anxiety and the worst of all going hypoglycemic really bad a few times. Now i understand the rage and anxiety could come from the increased test. But why on earth would i go so badly hypoglycemic? i loved the efects that JW had on my body, but inside, i was a mess.. I'd really like to give it another go, but does anyone know how i could control the symptoms on it? I'm also considering using Bad Ass Mass. Could that also have the same effects on me?
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How Hypo? what were your glucose levels? fasting and post prandial?
 
bullet said:
First of all let me say that Jungle warfare has worked awsome on me. I put on about 9lbs of lean muscle in 30 days. Howeve r i had some bad side effects. Barely controlable rage, crazy anxiety and the worst of all going hypoglycemic really bad a few times. Now i understand the rage and anxiety could come from the increased test. But why on earth would i go so badly hypoglycemic? i loved the efects that JW had on my body, but inside, i was a mess.. I'd really like to give it another go, but does anyone know how i could control the symptoms on it? I'm also considering using Bad Ass Mass. Could that also have the same effects on me?
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The reaction or hypoglycemic feeling you were having is most likely due to one of the extraction compounds in mormondica chirantia. It tends to increase insulin receptor activity/sensitivity in lean tissue resulting in rapid glucose/amino acid up-take and a drop in circulatory levels.

This is why we are always telling everyone to take in carbs when dosing the JW. This will also help prevent the potential for any headache issue that may arise from the drop in blood glucose levels.

Increased aggresion is commonly reported, but usually under a very controlled or controllable level. If you were experienceing levels of "Rage", maybe you should reconsider on taking JW again. I'd hate to see you or anyone get hurt, your safety is more important.

As far as the Bad Ass Mass is concerned, the potential for the hypoglycemic feelings should not be present. However, I'm not sure about the aggression factors. You may want to read up on some of the logs that are currently underway at our Website.

Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any further questions.
 
Viperspit said:
The reaction or hypoglycemic feeling you were having is most likely due to one of the extraction compounds in mormondica chirantia. It tends to increase insulin receptor activity/sensitivity in lean tissue resulting in rapid glucose/amino acid up-take and a drop in circulatory levels.

This is why we are always telling everyone to take in carbs when dosing the JW. This will also help prevent the potential for any headache issue that may arise from the drop in blood glucose levels.

Increased aggresion is commonly reported, but usually under a very controlled or controllable level. If you were experienceing levels of "Rage", maybe you should reconsider on taking JW again. I'd hate to see you or anyone get hurt, your safety is more important.

As far as the Bad Ass Mass is concerned, the potential for the hypoglycemic feelings should not be present. However, I'm not sure about the aggression factors. You may want to read up on some of the logs that are currently underway at our Website.

Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any further questions.
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So is it a bad ideal to take anabolic pump while using jw ?
 
Viperspit said:
The reaction or hypoglycemic feeling you were having is most likely due to one of the extraction compounds in mormondica chirantia. It tends to increase insulin receptor activity/sensitivity in lean tissue resulting in rapid glucose/amino acid up-take and a drop in circulatory levels.

This is why we are always telling everyone to take in carbs when dosing the JW. This will also help prevent the potential for any headache issue that may arise from the drop in blood glucose levels.

Increased aggresion is commonly reported, but usually under a very controlled or controllable level. If you were experienceing levels of "Rage", maybe you should reconsider on taking JW again. I'd hate to see you or anyone get hurt, your safety is more important.

As far as the Bad Ass Mass is concerned, the potential for the hypoglycemic feelings should not be present. However, I'm not sure about the aggression factors. You may want to read up on some of the logs that are currently underway at our Website.

Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any further questions.
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Well i was taking in a lot of carbs, but a few times i couldn't eat my meals on time, and i just got really bad. As far as the rage goes, if somebody would piss me off i'd actually get so mad that i'd be boiling. I'd ge all hot, and red and actually feel sick. It would take me hours to calm down. and anxiety.. well that too... well anyways if you think that BAM wouldn't do that to me, then i think i might give it a try. Thanks
 
so although hyperdrol and jungle warfare are somewhat similar, but bc hyperdrol does not have mormondica chirantia in it, then i should be ok on it, right? at least as far as the hypoglycemia
 
I need to ask, when everyone reports hypoglycemia are there any Lab values or is everyone assuming based on feeling?
 
well i assumed mine based on feeling... and the fact that as soon as i got some carbs in me within 2-3 min i was feeling better and within 20 min i was back to normal.
 
jonny21 said:
I need to ask, when everyone reports hypoglycemia are there any Lab values or is everyone assuming based on feeling?
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We expect some users to go hypoglycemic and have posted about it many times, its all about the carbs. We did our own labs on beta testers to see the effect on low carbs, no carbs, and high carbs around doses. Those who ate no or low experienced hormonal headaches and it was relieved by eating carbs. Those that had high carbs did not get the headaches. Because the nutrient repartitioning effect of JW it channels the glucose from carbs to your muscles very quickly, if you do not have enough it can make you hypoglycemic.
 
FitnFirm said:
We expect some users to go hypoglycemic and have posted about it many times, its all about the carbs. We did our own labs on beta testers to see the effect on low carbs, no carbs, and high carbs around doses. Those who ate no or low experienced hormonal headaches and it was relieved by eating carbs. Those that had high carbs did not get the headaches. Because the nutrient repartitioning effect of JW it channels the glucose from carbs to your muscles very quickly, if you do not have enough it can make you hypoglycemic.
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good info. i wish i was aware when i ran the JW/restore combo. oh well, ill be doing the EVO stack soon enough:D
 
WannaBeHulk said:
good info. i wish i was aware when i ran the JW/restore combo. oh well, ill be doing the EVO stack soon enough:D
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Did you already purchase it? if not I would like you to test it for me, email me your address if you are up to doing a log for us :) [email protected]
 
FitnFirm said:
Did you already purchase it? if not I would like you to test it for me, email me your address if you are up to doing a log for us :) [email protected]
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its cool, i already bought it! im really excited to start the new and improved stack (this time BAM will be involved!). and afterwards, i am gonna finally break upon my venom tri-lean + thyrogen x and start contest prep. im aiming for a show on june 2nd. hopefully, ALRI supps with my diet/training will get me where i wanna be:bb2:

i really appreciate the offer fit. i would be happy to do an unsponsered log though. just lemme know...
 
FitnFirm said:
Those who ate no or low experienced hormonal headaches and it was relieved by eating carbs. Those that had high carbs did not get the headaches. Because the nutrient repartitioning effect of JW it channels the glucose from carbs to your muscles very quickly, if you do not have enough it can make you hypoglycemic.
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Please expound on what a "low hormonal headche" is.

I would like to know if blood sugars were tested or if any who report hypoglycemia are actually experiencing a blood sugar <70 mg/dl or just think/feel they are.
 
jonny21 said:
Please expound on what a "low hormonal headche" is.

I would like to know if blood sugars were tested or if any who report hypoglycemia are actually experiencing a blood sugar <70 mg/dl or just think/feel they are.
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I did not say LOW hormonal........... basically everything in your body is controlled by hormones and when something it out of whack (sugar) you can have a headache caused by a hormonal change. Hormones are what send all the little mesagges to every part of your body etc.
 
FitnFirm said:
I did not say LOW hormonal........... basically everything in your body is controlled by hormones and when something it out of whack (sugar) you can have a headache caused by a hormonal change. Hormones are what send all the little mesagges to every part of your body etc.
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Excuse me, hormonal headache is how you put it.

My point is that it is assumed it is low blood sugar. Please try to remember that there might be some people that read the posts on this and any forum that like to know the details; pre & postprandial blood sugars while taking the supplement in question are details that need to be included to support the statements throughout the thread re: hypoglycemia.

Using your words from the above referenced post. How do you know it is the hormonal effect on blood sugar causing the headaches and not some other issue without the lab values to evidence it?
 
jonny21 said:
Excuse me, hormonal headache is how you put it.

My point is that it is assumed it is low blood sugar. Please try to remember that there might be some people that read the posts on this and any forum that like to know the details; pre & postprandial blood sugars while taking the supplement in question are details that need to be included to support the statements throughout the thread re: hypoglycemia.

Using your words from the above referenced post. How do you know it is the hormonal effect on blood sugar causing the headaches and not some other issue without the lab values to evidence it?
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When the product was in beta state we did our own lab testing, this is how we know.

From ALR : ( been posted many times on different boards)


Headaches while using JW-



This is interesting in that this did not show up in any of the initial testing nor the post production replies for the very first lot. Natually we have had a number since that have reported headaches...uncomfortable and in need of response if explainable/fixable, and of course a concern if not. About two months ago we began monitoring blood glucose levels at the 30-60-120 minute points post use of JW for several users. Thus far (not "conclusive" yet, but I feel confident we have the right issue to address). At the 60-120 minute point post use we have noted the expected drop in blood glucose due to one of the extraction compounds in mormondica chirantia. It tends to increase insulin receptor activity/sensitivity in lean tissue resulting in rapid glucose/amino acid up-take and a drop in circulatory levels. Likely it sounds silly to explain this, but those that had reported headaches showed the lowest glucose level which was gone soon after glucose levels increased. Since then we have been advising people to make sure they eat with ingestion of JW and again within 1 hour and to include a carb. On the plus side it shows the pro-anabolic value of the compound , just as when glucophage or insulin is used, there is an increase in lean mass nuttrient up-take. On the negative we may need to cut back this extraction fraction some in the next run as many use the product when dieting. Our error was in the increase in extraction ratio for the active which since has been taken back to the original. Sometimes, a design works too well, too.
 
I'm a couple of days into week 2 of JW and I havn't really noticed any signs of hypoglycemia. Of course I'm carbing up like hell and my weight is up a decent bit but thats to be expected.

Only time I felt hypoglycemic was after a really intense workout where I didn't eat a ton of carbs pre-workout. Seems to be kicking ass so far.
 
FitnFirm said:
From ALR :
...Our error was in the increase in extraction ratio for the active which since has been taken back to the original...
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Ahhhhhhhh! I always thought that the second bottle of JW I bought worked better than the first and the third. I wonder if the second bottle I got was one with the increased active then the third was after it was switched back.

By the way, I'd be very interested in JW's chirantia extract as a standalone product.
 
CDONDICI said:
Bump for this question...
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If were still talking about stacking the (2) in general, it's been done and is being done with good success.

If you're concerned about hypoglycemic effects, then yes I would agree there may be concern if you are on a low carb diet. It seems that AP may have properties that allow you to consume more carbs and favor sending those to lbm rather than fat storage. If this is the case, JW also has a repartioning agent in the matrix that works in a similar fashion, so the (2) stacked together on a low carb diet may be a concern imo. This is just surface research mind you, I'd love to hear an opinion from Jacob on this subject strictly in terms of stacking the (2) on a low carb diet.
 
Is there a minimum amount of carbohydrates that you recommend taking with Jungle Warfare? Would it not work to simply take the jungle warfare by itself, and then eat a meal containing complex carbohydrates within a specified period of time?

I'm not sure if it would be feasible or not, but perhaps the difficulties experienced in those using Jungle Warfare to cut could be solved by producing two separate versions of the product, one for use in a higher carb bulking environment and a separate version for use in a lower carb dieting environment, with less of the insulin sensitizing compound.
 
max silver said:
Is there a minimum amount of carbohydrates that you recommend taking with Jungle Warfare? Would it not work to simply take the jungle warfare by itself, and then eat a meal containing complex carbohydrates within a specified period of time?

I'm not sure if it would be feasible or not, but perhaps the difficulties experienced in those using Jungle Warfare to cut could be solved by producing two separate versions of the product, one for use in a higher carb bulking environment and a separate version for use in a lower carb dieting environment, with less of the insulin sensitizing compound.
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As far as carbs with JW, there is no "set" amount as it really depends on the persons size and sensitivity to carbs. Usually 30-40 grams with a meal and then your dose is fine, and if needed 20 grams or so after, only if really needed though. You dont need excessive carbs to get benefits with JW just adequate, Keto dieters may not get as much out of it as others, but then again high protein is an important factor for muscle growth too.

JW works in a way to shuttle ALL nutrients to the muscle, instead of turning any into fat. SO having 2 versions would be a waste and probably wouldnt sell well either.

Now for the person who tends to over eat more than their body can use effectively they will gain some fat, its not a license to over eat by any means :)
 
I haven't had any issues with AP and low blood sugar after three days of this plus DCP. Tested blood sugar before taking the supps and 15 minutes, 30 minutes after and 1 and 2 hours after the meal.

I have no experience with AP+JW but I thought a lil info is better than none :)
 
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Jayhawkk said:
I haven't had any issues with AP and low blood sugar after three days of this plus DCP. Tested blood sugar before taking the supps and 15 minutes, 30 minutes after and 1 and 2 hours after the meal.

I have no experience with AP+JW but I thought a lil info is better than none :)
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AP and JW on an empty stomach kicked my balls hard. I was walking like a drunk man, on top of that, I've had plenty of low GI carbs for breakfast.
 
Walking like a drunk man? What were your exact symptoms? Maybe it's another side other than Hypo that you could of been experiencing?
 
Jayhawkk said:
Walking like a drunk man? What were your exact symptoms? Maybe it's another side other than Hypo that you could of been experiencing?
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I am pretty sure I was hypo. I was dizzy, weak, and eventually got a headache. Once I got my food in, I was fine. I'll be more carefull next time.
 
That would most likely be it. I usually sweated my ass off when I went hypo. Instant complete bosy sweat with the shakes.

*cough* I need to clarify that this was not on JW or any other products...I went trhough this when I was having liver issues a couple years ago*cough*

:)
 
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Jayhawkk said:
That would most likely be it. I usually sweated my ass off when I went hypo. Instant complete bosy sweat with the shakes.

*cough* I need to clarify that this was not on JW or any other products...I went trhough this when I was having liver issues a couple years ago*cough*

:)
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LOL. hehe. Only time I got hypo I think was on this and AP on empty stomach.. Not an issue anymore.
 
My bad, I just hit new posts and read through without looking at their forum section. Won't happen again, believe me.
 
I also noticed that taking it with a shake makes it better, and I didn't notice any drop in my blood sugar. Probably because it slows down digestion.
 
FitnFirm said:
As far as carbs with JW, there is no "set" amount as it really depends on the persons size and sensitivity to carbs. Usually 30-40 grams with a meal and then your dose is fine, and if needed 20 grams or so after, only if really needed though. You dont need excessive carbs to get benefits with JW just adequate, Keto dieters may not get as much out of it as others, but then again high protein is an important factor for muscle growth too.

JW works in a way to shuttle ALL nutrients to the muscle, instead of turning any into fat. SO having 2 versions would be a waste and probably wouldnt sell well either.

Now for the person who tends to over eat more than their body can use effectively they will gain some fat, its not a license to over eat by any means :)
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I am currently on my second week of Jungle Warfare, for the first few days last week I was experiencing the hypoglycemic side effects ( lethargy, headaches) but have cured them with a large intake of carbs. I have continued taking in the large amount of carbs for the past week but it appears that I am also starting to pack on a bit more fat in the midsection. I usually tend to take in between 50g-70g carbs per meal plus about 15g-20g in between meals to avoid the side effects. Is there any recomended carbs intake with JW so as not to go over board with carbs and pack fat? Also I have been researching Anabolic Pump and it seems to me that JW and Anabolic Pump essentially do the same thing as far as nutrient repartitioning. My questions regarding these two products are; 1. What essentially distinguishes the two? and 2. Would it be more beneficial to stack these two products or take them separately? Thank You.
 
i believe anabolic pump works mainly with a carb focus, and jw works by ways of an AI for test boosting but also increases insulinogenic responses thus the hypoglycemic feeling. jw also increases free test as well as total
 
teribleturtle said:
I am currently on my second week of Jungle Warfare, for the first few days last week I was experiencing the hypoglycemic side effects ( lethargy, headaches) but have cured them with a large intake of carbs. I have continued taking in the large amount of carbs for the past week but it appears that I am also starting to pack on a bit more fat in the midsection. I usually tend to take in between 50g-70g carbs per meal plus about 15g-20g in between meals to avoid the side effects. Is there any recomended carbs intake with JW so as not to go over board with carbs and pack fat? Also I have been researching Anabolic Pump and it seems to me that JW and Anabolic Pump essentially do the same thing as far as nutrient repartitioning. My questions regarding these two products are; 1. What essentially distinguishes the two? and 2. Would it be more beneficial to stack these two products or take them separately? Thank You.
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Fit's not likely to see this.

I would say I would slowly back down on the carbs and see if you can get to a smaller intake but still stave off the low glycemic side effects.

Dunno about a recommended amount - Fit did say about 20 to 30 grams.

1. No idea.
2. Maybe. I wouldn't think so. Both JW and AP are effective - slightly different pathways it seems. You'd have to eat a lot more carbs if you stack the 2 - it seems from JJohn's posts.
 
On my third week of JW and the hypoglycemic sides, headaches are GONE!! I have cut back on carbs now I usually do about 30-40g when taking JW and do not feel any sides. Maybe it was just my body getting used to it. But, I am now starting to break out a bit, no big deal though. I am not too sure about significant strength increases at this point, but it seems to make me very aggressive in the gym giving me energy to go a bit longer. To think I was ready to give up on this one after the first day, but now at the beginning of my third week it seems to be kicking in, I cant wait to see how the remaining 5 will turn out. This also reminds me would Restore and Trib be sufficient as a PCT?
 
I'm confused after all that I've been reading...

I ended up buying a bottle of this for another time. It's the clear bottle with the blue capsules. Is this the old or new version? I was hoping to get the version, which would yield great results, but not kill my libido.

I've seen too much bickering back and forth, so that's why I'm asking. I'm sure there will be more bickering just by me asking this question.
 
MuscleGuyinNY said:
I'm confused after all that I've been reading...

I ended up buying a bottle of this for another time. It's the clear bottle with the blue capsules. Is this the old or new version? I was hoping to get the version, which would yield great results, but not kill my libido.

I've seen too much bickering back and forth, so that's why I'm asking. I'm sure there will be more bickering just by me asking this question.
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clear with blue caps is the one that worked for me and my buddies. I don't know which one has the prohormone it it, but the new version hasn't done jack squat for about 4 people that i know, including me.
btw, where did you get the old bottle? can't seem to find it anywhere
 
Not sure if it's the original, or the new formula. Waiting for the package to arrive. Expecting it tomorrow, but could be waiting until Friday.

bullet said:
clear with blue caps is the one that worked for me and my buddies. I don't know which one has the prohormone it it, but the new version hasn't done jack squat for about 4 people that i know, including me.
btw, where did you get the old bottle? can't seem to find it anywhere
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