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Bad Ass Mass vs. Mass FX

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FitnFirm

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A Tale of Two Pro-Anabolics

To clear up some controversy and confusion on the recently released Pro-Anabolic products Bad Ass Mass by ALRI and Mass FX by Anabolic Xtreme let us look closely at what we have in both product matrices.
Notably they both have 5a-25R-Spirostanes with the main difference being AX has a 3b,6a-diol analog and ALRI the 3b-6-keto derivative. Notably both compounds are indeed not identical, but like other steroids (these being of course of plant origin, called steroidal sapogenins) can be stacked for a synergistic effect. Both compounds are very nice pro-anabolics that offer many benefits. As a side note neither company began development of these compounds with any prior knowledge of the other having an interest in such and as is the case sometimes smart minds think alike.
Now onto the other compounds one can note AX has used 3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran which is an excellent agent for increasing free testosterone levels and this works well for furthering overall pro-anabolic effects. To support the absorption and bioavailability of their matrix they have used the well known DHB and Bioperine that are very solid agents for that task.
Notably ALRI has a heavy emphasis on two herbal entities which knowing ALRI are custom proprietary extracts with sound potency for eliciting a multi-faceted benefit toward pro-anabolism. They also include a patent status Spirostene that also has potent pro-anabolic effects.
Now while each product alone is a great pro-anabolic matrix notably superior effects can be noted for those who wish to stack these products as multiple synergies will be further elicited by doing such. For those who may be more novice or not in need of the potency that can be derived from such a stack alternating the two products is also highly favorable in effect.
Both companies have shown a true desire to be forward reaching and provide novel matrices for helping bodybuilders and athletes achieve their goals. Indeed here we have two new distinct products that alone or in combination can certainly contribute to one's success for greater muscularity and strength.


Author L. Rea
 
Dr Nick said:
So if you stacked them both?how would a long cycle looke like?with jw maybe?back to back?
I am told that a BAM/Mass FX stack should be around 8 weeks max.

Even four weeks would yield VERY good results.

Mass FX you would dose 4 caps 4X a day. BAM you would dose 2 caps 2X a day straight through.
 
Dr Nick said:
So if you stacked them both?how would a long cycle looke like?with jw maybe?back to back?


You could also first do JW for 4 weeks then implement the BAM & Mass FX for the next 8 weeks, that would be awesome !
 
FitnFirm said:
You could also first do JW for 4 weeks then implement the BAM & Mass FX for the next 8 weeks, that would be awesome !

I have been at the impression the either bam or mass fx would be good as stand alones?
 
Dr Nick said:
I have been at the impression the either bam or mass fx would be good as stand alones?


Yes, you are correct. You can get great results with BAM as a stand alone product and we will show this during our testing. We are currently getting this all typed up, quite large post :)
 
FitnFirm said:
Yes, you are correct. You can get great results with BAM as a stand alone product and we will show this during our testing. We are currently getting this all typed up, quite large post :)
oh?
nice!
if you need a tester for these products,here i am.
have 7 years of gym experiece and 5 cycles of jw and a few of restore under my belt togheter with loads of other supps during the years..
would be nice to have my cutter sponsered
 
I see the dosage for BAM is 1 pill twice a day, in comparison to Mass Fx which is 4 pills a day, would I want to up the dosage of BAM to get the full effect of the active sapogenins?
 
FitnFirm said:
A Tale of Two Pro-Anabolics

To clear up some controversy and confusion on the recently released Pro-Anabolic products Bad Ass Mass by ALRI and Mass FX by Anabolic Xtreme let us look closely at what we have in both product matrices.
Notably they both have 5a-25R-Spirostanes with the main difference being AX has a 3b,6a-diol analog and ALRI the 3b-6-keto derivative. Notably both compounds are indeed not identical, but like other steroids (these being of course of plant origin, called steroidal sapogenins) can be stacked for a synergistic effect. Both compounds are very nice pro-anabolics that offer many benefits. As a side note neither company began development of these compounds with any prior knowledge of the other having an interest in such and as is the case sometimes smart minds think alike.
Now onto the other compounds one can note AX has used 3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran which is an excellent agent for increasing free testosterone levels and this works well for furthering overall pro-anabolic effects. To support the absorption and bioavailability of their matrix they have used the well known DHB and Bioperine that are very solid agents for that task.
Notably ALRI has a heavy emphasis on two herbal entities which knowing ALRI are custom proprietary extracts with sound potency for eliciting a multi-faceted benefit toward pro-anabolism. They also include a patent status Spirostene that also has potent pro-anabolic effects.
Now while each product alone is a great pro-anabolic matrix notably superior effects can be noted for those who wish to stack these products as multiple synergies will be further elicited by doing such. For those who may be more novice or not in need of the potency that can be derived from such a stack alternating the two products is also highly favorable in effect.
Both companies have shown a true desire to be forward reaching and provide novel matrices for helping bodybuilders and athletes achieve their goals. Indeed here we have two new distinct products that alone or in combination can certainly contribute to one's success for greater muscularity and strength.


Author L. Rea

But what exactly will be the difference?
What does the difference in the main ingredience do?
bam is dosed 1 cap 2 times ed and mfx is dosed 1 cap 4 times ed...?
there must be a purpose using 3b,6a-diol analog and using a
3b-6-keto derivative?
There must be some diffrences here that show some sort of benefit in the real world?
 
Read the mini write up in the AX forum. It helps clarify the diffirence a little bit.
 
Dr Nick said:
But what exactly will be the difference?
What does the difference in the main ingredience do?
bam is dosed 1 cap 2 times ed and mfx is dosed 1 cap 4 times ed...?
there must be a purpose using 3b,6a-diol analog and using a
3b-6-keto derivative?
There must be some diffrences here that show some sort of benefit in the real world?



In short, Our formula was designed to give more results using less of the 25(R).The other additions make that possible. Smart chemistry means getting more for less .Thats all you get for now :)
 
Dr Nick said:
But what exactly will be the difference?
What does the difference in the main ingredience do?
bam is dosed 1 cap 2 times ed and mfx is dosed 1 cap 4 times ed...?
there must be a purpose using 3b,6a-diol analog and using a
3b-6-keto derivative?
There must be some diffrences here that show some sort of benefit in the real world?

I think the 6hydroxy in massfx has a longer half life than the 6 keto derivative in BAM
 
FitnFirm said:
In short, Our formula was designed to give more results using less of the 25(R).The other additions make that possible. Smart chemistry means getting more for less .Thats all you get for now :)

Hmmm, so is the only difference then that Mass FX requires 4 caps a day to achieve what 2 caps of BAM provides users?

Not a lot of "hard data" or information was provided by Author up above. There was a lot written, just nothing too informative.

Fit, can we get some more clarification on the specifics about Mass FX and BAM? I'm kind of leaning towards Mass FX right now because AX has provided us with more information about their product than ALRI.
 
Terminator LMG said:
Hmmm, so is the only difference then that Mass FX requires 4 caps a day to achieve what 2 caps of BAM provides users?

Not a lot of "hard data" or information was provided by Author up above. There was a lot written, just nothing too informative.

Fit, can we get some more clarification on the specifics about Mass FX and BAM? I'm kind of leaning towards Mass FX right now because AX has provided us with more information about their product than ALRI.


Yo bro, take a look at the Sticky section in this forum. ALR did a huge write-up on BAM. Everything you wanted to know and then some. Hope that helps :)
 
Terminator LMG said:
My bad! I overlooked that. Thank you for posting the link :cheers:

Hey Fit, so based on the Evolution Bad Ass Mass Stack, if one were to incorporate Bad Ass Mass into their post cycle therapy, would you simply add Bad Ass Mass AFTER two weeks of using an AI? Or, could people start using Bad Ass Mass from day 1 of their PCT?

Thanks.


Please ask Max32.
 
Damn, I can't wait to try this stuff!! Hey Fit, the writeup mentioned that there weren't any side effects associated with BAM. Generally speaking however, increasing testosterone will always result in side effects. Have there been any user reports of hair loss?
 
FitnFirm said:
Please ask Max32.


I would, but I don't want to pay money for a gold membership over here on AM just so I can send PMs. Does he have a screen name over on bodybuilding . com where I can PM for free??

Plus, why won't you answer Fit?? Am I in the dog house with you?! LOL!!:stick:
 
Terminator LMG said:
I would, but I don't want to pay money for a gold membership over here on AM just so I can send PMs. Does he have a screen name over on bodybuilding . com where I can PM for free??

Plus, why won't you answer Fit?? Am I in the dog house with you?! LOL!!:stick:


lol, I don't think that's the point bro. We just refrain from commenting on PH or anabolic steroids related issues. Max has more knowledge in that area that why Fit pointed you in his direction. You know you can always reach him at our forum. :)
 
Viperspit said:
lol, I don't think that's the point bro. We just refrain from commenting on PH or anabolic steroids related issues. Max has more knowledge in that area that why Fit pointed you in his direction. You know you can always reach him at our forum. :)


Thanks Viperspit :) I understand the issue now and why you wouldn't want to comment on it. I'll make my own best educated guess and go from there.
 
Terminator LMG said:
Thanks Viperspit :) I understand the issue now and why you wouldn't want to comment on it. I'll make my own best educated guess and go from there.

My personal rec would be to have started the JW 2 weeks before cycle was over, and run the JW an additional 2 weeks after before adding in the BAM.
 
Max32 said:
My personal rec would be to have started the JW 2 weeks before cycle was over, and run the JW an additional 2 weeks after before adding in the BAM.


Thanks Max32. I appreciate your response and input :) So I should incorporate Bad Ass Mass after two weeks of pct then?
 
Max32 said:
My personal rec would be to have started the JW 2 weeks before cycle was over, and run the JW an additional 2 weeks after before adding in the BAM.
I was just thinking that same protocol earlier today. I ordered the Evolution stack (JW, BAM, Restore) from NutraPlanet, yesterday, and was trying to plan a future combination w/a hormonal product :D
 
Terminator LMG said:
Thanks Max32. I appreciate your response and input :) So I should incorporate Bad Ass Mass after two weeks of post cycle therapy then?

One way to approach this is to look at JW, BAM, and Restore as part of your PCT. The only thing one could add in would be a SERM, which I did not find a necessity this last time around. Obviously, the continuous or intermittent use of hcg 'during' would make for a less strenuous pct as well. I do think you will be surprised at just how easy the 3/4 of the evolution stack makes PCT...
 
AnonyMoose said:
if these are stacked together would it be ok to take this stack with anabolic pump in addition?



I would be very careful using it with JW, you could end up very hypogycemic if not eating boat loads of carbs. Ask Jacob too, Im sure he will say go for it though. Be careful is all !
 
FitnFirm said:
I would be very careful using it with JW, you could end up very hypogycemic if not eating boat loads of carbs. Ask Jacob too, Im sure he will say go for it though. Be careful is all !

Not really sure that JW will potentiate the effects of APump to any degree. If anything, Special Tactics may slightly, but I forsee no major issues. I am on 3 AP and 4 JW per day right now....
 
Max32 said:
Not really sure that JW will potentiate the effects of APump to any degree. If anything, Special Tactics may slightly, but I forsee no major issues. I am on 3 AP and 4 JW per day right now....

Why would ST ? I dont follow ya Max. I have AP too and will add it my last month of this contest, March 1st :) SO I am curious of this too, I use both JW and ST.

Max, have you had any stomach issues with AP ? Bad taste coming up during workouts or anything? A few got sick during training is why I ask.
 
FitnFirm said:
Why would ST ? I dont follow ya Max. I have AP too and will add it my last month of this contest, March 1st :) SO I am curious of this too, I use both JW and ST.

Max, have you had any stomach issues with AP ? Bad taste coming up during workouts or anything? A few got sick during training is why I ask.

Fit, try this on for size...When I first recieved yellow gold from nuraplanet aout 2 months ago or so, I remember reading that it caused insane pumps and tasted bad...I was like, bs, I can handle it. So I preceded to take down 1/2 heaping teaspoon full (about 3 caps of Ananbolic Pump :jaw: ) and left with Katina for thegym. I was driving, slowly began to yawn and almost fell asleep before getting to the gym. My training partner then asked me if I was in pain, thinking I had just taken some pain killers, lol.... I went on to have one of my strongest workouts in recent memory though, and the pump was damn near unbearable. and yes Fit, the burps coming up were just as bad as that stuff going down uncapped as powder in my pre-workout drink :rant: However, I never had any issues with getting sick or anything


also as far as ST goes, some of the ingredients in it do effect insulin sensitivity. I would not worry about it though, and would more likely welcome the synergistic effect....I have
 
Max32 said:
Fit, try this on for size...When I first recieved yellow gold from nuraplanet aout 2 months ago or so, I remember reading that it caused insane pumps and tasted bad...I was like, bs, I can handle it. So I preceded to take down 1/2 heaping teaspoon full (about 3 caps of Ananbolic Pump :jaw: ) and left with Katina for thegym. I was driving, slowly began to yawn and almost fell asleep before getting to the gym. My training partner then asked me if I was in pain, thinking I had just taken some pain killers, lol.... I went on to have one of my strongest workouts in recent memory though, and the pump was damn near unbearable. and yes Fit, the burps coming up were just as bad as that stuff going down uncapped as powder in my pre-workout drink :rant: However, I never had any issues with getting sick or anything


also as far as ST goes, some of the ingredients in it do effect insulin sensitivity. I would not worry about it though, and would more likely welcome the synergistic effect....I have





:toofunny: WOW !!!!! I have the bulk powder from Jacob ( he was very generous ) I planned on putting it in a piece of bread and make a little doughball out of it, LMAO Im like you nothing scares me and Im going to be using it regardless. Thats awesome that your pumps were so crazy !! Ive had very painful pumps on JW with n-gorge & Primed, mostly on bicep day. I thought my forearms were gonna rip in two, it really did hurt too! I would slap them and rub them trying to get the pump to go down HAHA

Viperspit is taking both JW & ST right now, not having any issues, but eats plenty of carbs too. ST is a main stay in my daily regiman for sure!.

Hey tell Katina I said "HI" I miss her!!! She is so awesome :)
 
I planned on putting it in a piece of bread and make a little doughball out of it
I tried this, it didnt work as well as I thought it would:( it was kinda stuck in my throat and ended up worse than usual.
I have already went thru about 125 grams of the powder and the best way to diminish the taste is to drink it with hot coffee.:cheers:
 
i still have 100 grams worth of the stuff just cap it i used 00 from nutra. no after taste here
 
wojo said:
i still have 100 grams worth of the stuff just cap it i used 00 from nutra. no after taste here

I really need to get me a capper, lol Ill prolly have that powder everywhere like a kid making kool-aid :D
 
Max32 said:
One way to approach this is to look at JW, BAM, and Restore as part of your post cycle therapy. The only thing one could add in would be a SERM, which I did not find a necessity this last time around. Obviously, the continuous or intermittent use of hcg 'during' would make for a less strenuous post cycle therapy as well. I do think you will be surprised at just how easy the 3/4 of the evolution stack makes PCT...

Correct. I was looking at using JW/Restore/BAM in a PCT.

You stated that you didn't find it necessary to use a SERM this last time around...did you then just use ONLY JW/Restore/BAM as your pct? What did you run a cycle of?
 
Terminator LMG said:
Correct. I was looking at using JW/Restore/BAM in a post cycle therapy.

You stated that you didn't find it necessary to use a SERM this last time around...did you then just use ONLY JW/Restore/BAM as your post cycle therapy? What did you run a cycle of?

As to the last question, not appropriate in this forum. Just know that it DID require pct, which all cycle DO. That question is sort of futile in my opinion. The only other thing added in was some aromasin early on along with RETAIN. I have not even started the Restore as of yet...
 
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