Man, im using your guys old e control right now, man strongest atd ive tried by far. ive used a couple ironmag labs products, and you guys have proven you only produce quality stuff so i respect your company. just wanted to post my experience with your products. But this ATD is top notch, leaning out, gains, dry, its a little too strong, ive used other atd and they never gave me those low estro sides maybe its cus i have a healthy estrogen production (i guess) but this stuff has obliterated it. im very happy with the product. thubs up iron mag.