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    The Dietary Supplement Safety Act of 2010 has been approved and awaits President Obama's signature.


    New Bill Seeks to Ban Consumer Access to Dietary Supplements
    By William Faloon

    A bill has been introduced to the Senate that would drive up the cost of dietary supplements and restrict your access to them. This bill seeks to give the FDA arbitrary control over what supplements you are allowed to have.

    This bill proposes to squander tax revenue, while burdening the private sector with oppressive laws that will hinder scientific advances and increase costs. The net effect will be to take away your free access to dietary supplements.

    Pharmaceutical interests are obviously behind this latest effort to legislatively force more Americans towards expensive prescription drugs and away from natural ways of preventing degenerative disease.

    Please use our convenient legislative action center to e-mail your Senators and Representatives to protest against this dangerous piece of legislation.

    (Note: This communication is not an attack on any elected official. Many Senators would have been deceived by pharmaceutical lobbyists, as you will soon read.)

    The bill represents the kind of federal regulation that is not only ineffective, but also suffocates innovation in ways that inflict permanent damage to this nation’s economic vitality.

    The bill supposedly originates from the controversy surrounding the use of steroids by Major League Baseball players. Since some unethical companies illegally sold steroid drugs as “dietary supplements,” certain members of the Senate appear to have been deceived into believing that the FDA needs to be given additional power to ban dietary supplements across the board.

    The fact is that the FDA has all the legal authority it needs to remove supplements that contain illegal drugs from the market. The FDA has failed to do its job, and there are companies selling dietary supplements that contain prescription drugs. If the FDA continues to fail to do its job, then these companies will continue to sell drug-tainted supplements no matter what new laws are created by Congress.

    The outrage over this bill expressed by so many supplement consumers is that it gives the FDA broad and arbitrary new powers to remove natural products from the marketplace. Since the FDA (and Congress) is dominated by large pharmaceutical interests, this bill will effectively enable drug companies to control which supplements you have access to.

    You may recall the FDA’s ban last year of a more effective form of vitamin B6 (pyridoxamine) because a pharmaceutical company wants to have it approved as an expensive new prescription drug to treat diabetic kidney failure.

    If this bill is passed, it will make it far easier for pharmaceutical companies to file use patents on what are now inexpensive dietary supplements and convert them into outrageously priced “drugs.” Just look at the cost of prescription drug fish oil that so many cardiologists are prescribing to their patients. It costs about seven times more than the same amount of EPA/DHA fish oil you can buy as a dietary supplement. Just imagine if the FDA was given arbitrary power to ban omega-3 dietary supplements!

    In order to mislead the public about the true nature of this bill, it has been named the Dietary Supplement Safety Act of 2010 (DSSA). It purports to protect consumers, but the question arises, from what?

    According to a published report by the American Association of Poison Control Centers, no one died in the year 2008 as a result of taking a dietary supplement.1 The facts are that legitimate reports of deaths caused by dietary supplements in this century are virtually non-existent.

    Despite this safety track record, this bill would give the FDA authority to draw up a list of allowed and disallowed supplements (and supplement potencies). This alone would destroy your free access to supplements. But there is more.

    There is no real world rationale for this legislation. Yet this bill would automatically cause any dietary supplement to be classified as “adulterated” if it is “manufactured, packaged, held, distributed, labeled or licensed by a dietary supplement company not registered with the Secretary.” The “Secretary” in this case is the Secretary of Health and Human Services, the department of the federal government that oversees the FDA.

    The registration requirements would add layers of overhead costs to manufacturers who are already fully compliant with current Good Manufacturing Practices (cGMP) and are inspected by the FDA. It would also create an entire new category of taxpayer-funded bureaucrats who would oversee this hideous expansion of federal control over dietary supplement access.

    The registration process would require paperwork to be submitted to the federal government for every new formulation, re-formulation, new ingredient, etc. The effect will be to take what are now low-cost natural supplements and force the paperwork requirements to be more closely aligned with those of unaffordable prescription drugs.

    These burdensome registration requirements also mandate voluminous paperwork submissions for new ingredients that give the FDA more power to DENY the “approval” of a natural ingredient. This clause of the bill would further reduce the availability of new dietary supplements coming to the market…effectively giving pharmaceutical companies a monopoly over what new health products you are allowed to use. Any new products that make it to market will carry the higher cost associated with complying with this bill’s new obstructive mandates.

    The FDA already requires manufacturers to maintain records of serious adverse reaction reports. This bill would require that all “non-serious adverse events” be submitted to the federal government. The problem is that when a large group of people take any product, there are always coincidental adverse reactions. This means that for any given product, the FDA can arbitrarily take the list of adverse reports submitted to it and use it as a basis to remove the product, even if there was not a single valid adverse reaction! Once again, pharmaceutical companies would be able, under the Freedom of Information Act, to gain access to coincidental reports of adverse reactions and petition the FDA to REMOVE the supplement from the market. (There are of course millions of cases of serious adverse reactions—including many deaths—on file with the FDA about the drugs they approve, but of course these drugs are virtually never withdrawn from the marketplace by the FDA.)

    The FDA already has broad powers to remove dangerous products. This legislation would enable the FDA to ban anything if they have only “reasonable probability” that there is a serious problem with a product. This kind of discretionary authority gives the FDA tyrannical power to ban supplements, a power they have not hesitated to use when they’ve had it.

    Recall that in the early 1990s, the FDA declared that many of the supplements used today, including CoQ10, selenium, and chromium, were inherently dangerous. The public’s revolt against the FDA’s absurd proclamation led to passage of the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act (DSHEA) of 1994. This is the law that protects consumers’ rights to access low-cost dietary supplements. The Dietary Supplement Safety Act (DSSA) would largely eviscerate the protections afforded by DSHEA.

    Just imagine owning a pharmaceutical company and hearing from physicians that patients are refusing to take your expensive side effect-prone drugs. Instead you learn they are switching to low-cost dietary supplements that you cannot patent.

    Since you control a large percentage of Congress, the logical solution is to have legislation enacted that will enable the FDA (that you also control) to remove supplements that compete with your drugs. That is exactly what the Dietary Supplement Safety Act of 2010 (DSSA) will accomplish if Big Pharma has its way.

    The greatest economic challenge this country faces is how to deal with runaway disease care costs (they call it “health care” when it isn’t). What few understand is that there is no real medical cost crisis. Medical care is so expensive today because it has been so corruptly over-regulated. Disease care costs, in other words, are egregiously hyper-inflated compared to what their free market price would be.

    FDA Failure, Deception and Abuse is the title of a new book that documents that disease care costs are a result of endless legislation passed by Congress that enables those in conventional medicine to earn obscene profits, while the nation’s economy collapses under the burden of outlandish prices for dangerous and minimally effective therapies.

    The proposed Dietary Supplement Safety Act of 2010 is an egregious example of how this kind of insidious legislation comes into being, and how the public is deceived into thinking that Congress is seeking to “protect” them (in this case from nothing), when the real purpose of the legislation is to further enrich the entrenched drug cartel that long ago bought and paid for most of Congress and the FDA.

    The Dietary Supplement Safety Act of 2010 is a blatant example of how Congress undermines free markets and decimates private sector innovation.

    The encouraging news is that the numbers of dedicated supplement users are enormous.

    As in the 1980s and 1990s, the majority of the public is strongly on our side. Your voice needs to be heard to usurp the predatory financial influence pharmaceutical companies wield over Congress.

    1. Bronstein AC, Spyker DA, Cantilena LR Jr, Green JL, Rumack BH, Giffin SL. 2008 Annual Report of the American Association of Poison Control Centers' National Poison Data System (NPDS): 26th Annual Report. Clinical Toxicology. 2009. 47, 911-1084.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IronMagLabs View Post
    If you like any IronMagLabs products I suggest you start stock piling them, remember as long as you keep them sealed and stored in a dry, cool, dark spot they will remain potent for many years.
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    This bill wont pass. If it does; there is seriously something wrong with the world.
    "Fcuk the system" I believe is prominent here

    (Not to mention how much this would drive up the prices for all European importers of American Supplements Like they weren't expensive enough over here!)

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    Then we'll all just have to start making more regular trips south of the border.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ConcreteConny View Post
    This bill wont pass. If it does; there is seriously something wrong with the world.
    "Fcuk the system" I believe is prominent here

    (Not to mention how much this would drive up the prices for all European importers of American Supplements Like they weren't expensive enough over here!)

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    So this already passed both houses and is ust awaiting presidents signature?
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    I was under the impression that part of this bill aims to do away with "prop blend listings", in favor of the exact amount of each ingredient? Which is the way it should be. To many companies under dose their products, throw in some caffeine or 1,3 so you believe that you're "feeling" something and slap a lab coat on a guy holding a vial of fruit punch and call it a "clinical" study. Not defending the bill, just saying if the zoo policed itself then maybe this could have been averted. Either way I'll be signing my name on the petition.
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    We will see. I've seen tons of posts like this over the entire 7 years I've been a member here. Nothing really ever becomes of them. Its kind of funny actually to see how many people get unreasonably worried that they might lose their precious supplements and may actually have to live without them....
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    For the love of God people...


    Do a little research before you post this scare-tactic crap. A good place to start is the Bill tracking page: www . govtrack . us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-3002 (remove spaces)

    Notice the fact that this was introduced over a year ago, it never even made it to the Senate floor, much less to the House or to the President. Oh, and by the way, you might want to read this paragraph:

    This bill never became law. This bill was proposed in a previous session of Congress. Sessions of Congress last two years, and at the end of each session all proposed bills and resolutions that haven't passed are cleared from the books. Members often reintroduce bills that did not come up for debate under a new number in the next session.

    As an attorney who has done a good amount of work in the field of FDA policy, it really irks me when companies try to get people riled up with poorly researched articles like this. Such articles are a crass attempt to scare people at best, and a cheap marketing ploy at worst.
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    Quote Originally Posted by owlicks View Post
    Do a little research before you post this scare-tactic crap. A good place to start is the Bill tracking page: www . govtrack . us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-3002 (remove spaces)

    Notice the fact that this was introduced over a year ago, it never even made it to the Senate floor, much less to the House or to the President. Oh, and by the way, you might want to read this paragraph:

    This bill never became law. This bill was proposed in a previous session of Congress. Sessions of Congress last two years, and at the end of each session all proposed bills and resolutions that haven't passed are cleared from the books. Members often reintroduce bills that did not come up for debate under a new number in the next session.

    As an attorney who has done a good amount of work in the field of FDA policy, it really irks me when companies try to get people riled up with poorly researched articles like this. Such articles are a crass attempt to scare people at best, and a cheap marketing ploy at worst.
    nope, not a scare tactic, you'll soon see.
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    Yeah it will suck to see it all go, but I have enough superdrol to last me like 5 years lmao.. So I'm not worried and when I run outta that it will just be Dbol then

    But like Ironmag said, for those that don't wanna use injectables or dbol, best to stock up now on your favorite DS...
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    Although the sky may not be falling, what Ive seen over the years, nothing the fda/gov does would really surprise me anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IronMagLabs View Post
    nope, not a scare tactic, you'll soon see.
    Ever hear the story of the boy who cried wolf?
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    Monday, December 27, 2010

    "Food Safety" Bill In Desperate Need of a Presidential Veto

    By James J. Gormley

    As you may know, the so-called Food Safety and Modernization Act cleared the U.S. House of representatives by a vote of 215 to 144 less than two days after Senate Republicans gave a surprise “victory” to the legislation’s advocates by allowing legilsators to move the package by questionable, legislative sleight-of-hand, otherwise called unanimous consent.

    "This legislation is the product of a flawed process," said Rep. Frank Lucas, the top Republican on the House Agriculture Committee, as reported by FarmPolicy.com. "It gives the Food and Drug Administration lots of additional authorities with no accountability.” (Listen to Congressman Lucas’ comments here.)

    Rep. Jack Kingston of Georgia, the ranking GOP member on the appropriations subcommittee that oversees the FDA, told The Washington Post that the number of cases of food-borne illnesses in the country does not justify the $1.4 billion the new law is estimated to cost over the first five years.

    "We're going to have to evaluate everything and set priorities at a time of reduced appropriations for all the different discretionary programs," Rep. Tom Latham (R-Iowa) told the Post.

    Latham serves on the FDA appropriations subcommittee and, along with Kingston and the panel's two other Republicans, voted against the food safety bill. The food safety legislation "is going to have to compete with everything else," he told the Post.

    The Act would cost American taxpayers $825 million in 2011 alone ($1.4 billion over the first five years) and does not even touch the root causes of the U.S.’s food safety problems — such as factory-farming — which were highlighted in both a 2009 campaign by the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund (FTCLDF) and by a letter to 99 U.S. senators by the Ranchers-Cattlemen Action Legal Fund (R-CALF USA).

    In fact, the legislation, at it stands now, is saddled with an extreme overreliance on a risk algorithm-based approach to food safety, referred to as Hazard Analysis & Critical Control Point (HACCP) and an under-reliance on old-fashioned, on-site physical inspections.

    This bill, despite its name and intent, would not make this country's food supply more safe, but less safe.

    If this bill were to become law, it would be a multi-billion dollar boondoggle that would make our food safety system much more complex, more focused on hazards analysis than on physical inspections and no less beset by dirty factory farms and filthy slaughterhouses than it was before.
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    I think the "spin" that this is all the fault of "Big Pharma" is a bit narrow. Yes, Big Pharma is in bed with this administration and Obama had to buy them off to go along with Obama Care. Big Pharma pumped $150 million towards positive ad campaigns toward ObamaCare prior to it's passage.

    Having said that - Big Pharma's profits aren't hurt in the slightest by Pro-hormones or supplements. They just aren't. The drug industry in this nation has transformed over the last few decades from one that used to sell pills to the masses to one which now sells very expensive treatments to small numbers of sick people.

    The REAL CULPRIT in this are the "Nanny-State Socialists" who are so miserable with their inability to get a grip on their own lives - they want to have YOURS to run. It's the same people who crucified the cigarette companies. Same people who took Four-Loco off the shelves. Same people banning transfats in California and salt in New York.
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    If it's going to make government more top heavy and cost tax payers additional money for little or no benefit, I'm sure the current administration will try to pass it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by owlicks View Post
    Do a little research before you post this scare-tactic crap. A good place to start is the Bill tracking page: www . govtrack . us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-3002 (remove spaces)

    Notice the fact that this was introduced over a year ago, it never even made it to the Senate floor, much less to the House or to the President. Oh, and by the way, you might want to read this paragraph:

    This bill never became law. This bill was proposed in a previous session of Congress. Sessions of Congress last two years, and at the end of each session all proposed bills and resolutions that haven't passed are cleared from the books. Members often reintroduce bills that did not come up for debate under a new number in the next session.

    As an attorney who has done a good amount of work in the field of FDA policy, it really irks me when companies try to get people riled up with poorly researched articles like this. Such articles are a crass attempt to scare people at best, and a cheap marketing ploy at worst.
    First post, really?

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    Ever hear the story of the boy who cried wolf?
    No angle being played, just passing along some info, is all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Neck View Post
    First post, really?
    Heh, yep, first post. Been a lurker for a while, but I have to chime in when legal issues come up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by owlicks View Post
    Heh, yep, first post. Been a lurker for a while, but I have to chime in when legal issues come up.
    well, you should know more about the legal issue at hand if you're going to chime in acting like a legal expert.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IronMagLabs View Post
    well, you should know more about the legal issue at hand if you're going to chime in acting like a legal expert.
    I'm an attorney... I believe that means my legal expertise is not an act. If you believe that I don't understand the present state of the law in this area, please enlighten me. The information that you have shown me thus far includes two poorly researched articles, both pertaining to bills that are no longer active. I promise that I'm not trying to be an ass, but if you're going to post articles designed to scare people, please at least make them relevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by owlicks View Post
    I'm an attorney... I believe that means my legal expertise is not an act. If you believe that I don't understand the present state of the law in this area, please enlighten me. The information that you have shown me thus far includes two poorly researched articles, both pertaining to bills that are no longer active. I promise that I'm not trying to be an ass, but if you're going to post articles designed to scare people, please at least make them relevant.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...121904201.html
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    I apologize about the Food Safety Modernization Act, you are correct of course that that was signed into law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by owlicks View Post
    I apologize about the Food Safety Modernization Act, you are correct of course that that was signed into law.
    yup, and they threw all of the anabolic steroid and dietary supplement crap into as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IronMagLabs View Post
    yup, and they threw all of the anabolic steroid and dietary supplement crap into as well.
    That is where you lost me -- as far as I know, the Food Safety Modernization Act says nothing about dietary supplements. http : // www . foodsafetynews . com/2010/12/s-510-whats-in-it/ (no spaces)
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    AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHhhhh! anyone feel the same way?
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    Soooooo, did they throw in dietary supps into the Food Safety Act or not?

    I wasn't aware of this either, if they did in fact do it.

    Big Pharma, I swear to god today might be the day I go to the top of the school book depository.
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    Oh no!, the big bad wolf is gonna take away our precious supplements!!!!!

    Hahahahaaha!
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    I think it's a bit lame to throw out a "scare topic" like this and then say ... "If you like any IronMagLabs products I suggest you start stock piling them."

    Well ... I guess it's not that lame ... it's a pretty successful tactic in selling guns and ammo.

    Just a suggestion though - since the OP is a board sponsor for IronMagLabs - a bit better sourcing for this would be a good idea. I'll note here that the OP's post begins with a falsehood ...

    The Dietary Supplement Safety Act of 2010 has been approved and awaits President Obama's signature.
    This is absolutely false - that bill never passed the Senate and you can check the status of it on govtrack.us

    When this inaccuracy was pointed out to the OP - then a new assertion was thrown out that the essential horrible elements had been rolled into a Food Safety Bill and then passed in that. Well yes - a Food Safety Bill was passed - but I see nothing in it that says that all pro hormones are now banned. I only gave it a cursory look - it's a long bill. Could it be in there - yes I suppose it could be - and if it is - then why doesn't the OP quote the applicable portions of that bill - tell us on what page we can find the ban.

    Before making assertions like this - it would be nice if some original sources were quoted.
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    Well he did say they may be gone... From what I hear too it sounds like most companies will stop producing them regardless.
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    The new law from my understanding gives new and more powers to the FDA. One of which allows them to no longer have to send a voluntary recall letter, but to enact the recall themselves. Also they will be able to fine these companies and or owners themselves. There are other ones that can affect the supplement market as well. The issue here is that the FDA will have more power, and lets face it the FDA is always cracking down on the supplement market.

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    Google is a magical thing...

    http://mccain.senate.gov/public/inde...f-8318a24f718f

    S. 3002 [111th]: Dietary Supplement Safety Act of 2010 (GovTrack.us)

    Status: Introduced Feb 4, 2010 (completed)
    Referred to Committee View Committee Assignments (completed)
    Reported by Committee (did not occur)
    Senate Vote (did not occur)
    House Vote (did not occur)
    Signed by President (did not occur)

    This bill never became law. This bill was proposed in a previous session of Congress. Sessions of Congress last two years, and at the end of each session all proposed bills and resolutions that haven't passed are cleared from the books. Members often reintroduce bills that did not come up for debate under a new number in the next session.

    Last Action: Feb 4, 2010: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions.
    http://mccain.senate.gov/public/inde...f-8318a24f718f


    also a little searching and I found this

    S. 722 [108th]: Dietary Supplement Safety Act of 2003 (GovTrack.us)

    It appears this bill has been tried before in 2003 and died just like McCains so this is not the first time it has come up

    Also looks like this a recent testimony before congress on supplement regulation if anyone cares to read through all those pages.. If anyone does please provide us with a cliff notes version

    Dietary Supplement Safety Act: How is FDA Doing 10 Years Later
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Google is a magical thing...

    http://mccain.senate.gov/public/inde...f-8318a24f718f

    S. 3002 [111th]: Dietary Supplement Safety Act of 2010 (GovTrack.us)



    http://mccain.senate.gov/public/inde...f-8318a24f718f


    also a little searching and I found this

    S. 722 [108th]: Dietary Supplement Safety Act of 2003 (GovTrack.us)

    It appears this bill has been tried before in 2003 and died just like McCains so this is not the first time it has come up

    Also looks like this a recent testimony before congress on supplement regulation if anyone cares to read through all those pages.. If anyone does please provide us with a cliff notes version

    Dietary Supplement Safety Act: How is FDA Doing 10 Years Later
    It is the Food Safety Bill that holds merit here

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    It is the Food Safety Bill that holds merit here
    That's not what the first line of the OP's original post says. It cites a completely different bill and says that bill is ready for Obama's signature - it isn't.

    Now - once that was pointed out - focus then shifted in this thread to the Food Safety Act but, I'm sorry - simply saying that devastating things are in that act is not enough. If anyone's going to assert that - then they need to post the actual applicable sections of that act as proof.

    EDIT: Not saying that this is entirely bogus - just saying that those who are asserting this haven't quite proven the point yet. They very well could - it's a long bill and who knows what's in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HondaV65 View Post
    That's not what the first line of the OP's original post says. It cites a completely different bill and says that bill is ready for Obama's signature - it isn't.

    Now - once that was pointed out - focus then shifted in this thread to the Food Safety Act but, I'm sorry - simply saying that devastating things are in that act is not enough. If anyone's going to assert that - then they need to post the actual applicable sections of that act as proof.
    Ya I wasn't referring to the OP. As far as the new act I haven't read it fully, but if there is anywhere that says the FDA has been given new authority that would be the section to research.

    I do know that the FDA is now bringing forth criminal charges for makers and distributors of SD, they are also working with Homeland Security/DEA to investigate these cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    It is the Food Safety Bill that holds merit here
    sorry havent read through the entire 2 pages.... (im a little lazy & sleepy )

    So do you know if the premise of the bill McCain proposed is whats being included into the food bill or is it entirely different concept? (Being the same requirement for FDA approval for everything and more regulations)
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    sorry havent read through the entire 2 pages.... (im a little lazy & sleepy )

    So do you know if the premise of the bill McCain proposed is whats being included into the food bill or is it entirely different concept? (Being the same requirement for FDA approval for everything and more regulations)
    McCain was concerned with DSHEA solely. Not sure who pushed this bill, however "Food Safety" has a rather broad interpretation and basically gives the FDA more power. I'm not a lawyer so...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    McCain was concerned with DSHEA solely. Not sure who pushed this bill, however "Food Safety" has a rather broad interpretation and basically gives the FDA more power. I'm not a lawyer so...
    Supplements fall under food not drugs though (I believe) so I could see how the food safety bill can effect the supplement industry. I remember hearing about it a while back.. saw an article about it will make raw milk illegal, the article was written by a fanatic so I kind of just brushe dit off and didnt look too much into it. Its hard to source information without someones bias involved trying to skew the infomation in their favor. I think last I remember hearing about it was saying it will effect only large food corporations and not your local farmers and its goal is to allow the FDA to do more inspections and give them the authority to do mandatory recalls if the food poses an immeadiate health/death threat.

    Again I have not seen the actual bill so I honestly dont know too much just going off what I have read before. Didnt know supplements were included in it, I may have to try and look this up again
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