- 04-09-2008, 07:05 PM
I got IGF-1LR3 for one purpose and one purpose only -- to make my calves proportional with the rest of my body. Anybody else here happen to have had growing puny calves at the forefront of their thoughts when deciding to try out IGF-1?
Anyone have any experience and/or suggestions on what might work as far as developing calves as well, evenly (across all heads), etc as possible?
- 04-10-2008, 06:57 AM
I can tell you what worked for me including a nice little calf routine I do every 2nd time im in the gym if you want?pm if so.
Ok, if using only IGF then train calves first in the workout then immediately head to the toilet and pin 25mcg in each inner head.
2 days later again train them first then head to toilet and pin 25mcg in each outer head.
Then just repeat this and yes train them 3 times a week, for a muscle as stubborn as calves it works very well.
I would recommend the addition of MGf(non-peg). I stick 500mcg into each calf a few hours before the workout.
- 04-10-2008, 09:25 AM
04-11-2008, 02:04 AM
you should do the actual routine I do too. 1st time in the week I choose the Seated Calf Machine.
I do a set of 20reps(with a weight that would allow 40 reps) with toes turned inwards. then I immediately put my toes onto a 20kg plate(thats lying on the floor) and do 20 reps. I then turn round so my heals are on the plate edge and my toes are on the floor and do another 20 reps. thats the first set. Increase the weight on the Seated Calf Raise and repeat with toes turned out. Do 4 sets of this and your calves are fried.
two workouts later use the Donkey Calf Raise Machine and repeat this same workout(with the plate on the ground and all)
two workouts later repeat this workout with the Standing Cal Raise Machine.
and so on. along with the IGF(and mgf) they grow like never before. it hits them well but just enough so they both grow and recuperate in between their workouts. only takes like 5-10 minutes too.
04-11-2008, 05:01 PM
This is great. Just the kind of information I was looking for. Unfortunately, having just performed my first injection, it seems I may have more than I realized to learn in the 101 category of injecting IGF than I realized...
Does pinning your calves ever make them sore or anything afterwards and cause you to limp (more than already would after the intense calf routine you are doing) around during the rest of your workout?
I ask because I "test/practice pinned" -- my first injection of anything in life -- one of my calves last night at home (w/o having worked out or anything in couple days) and it almost immediately got stiff and sore. It made me feel like stretching it out but when I would attempt to I would get pain that made me stop.
That was an hour or two before going to bed. When I woke up my calf was perfectly fine again. My IGF-1LR3 is 1mg/ml solution in AA. I injected 15mcg together with .5ml BA water.
04-11-2008, 08:06 PM
dont ever inject near where the inner and outer heads meet(the sort of bum shaped part) as there are vital nerves that run down there. you should almost be going in sideways into either head.
04-14-2008, 06:32 PM
I've got the injecting down now. Indeed I think it was that I was too close to the middle of the calf as you describe.
Your workout sounds awesome. Could you please go into a little for detail in description of what it is that you are doing while on the floor with plates? I don't can't quite picture what you are doing.
04-14-2008, 07:04 PM
04-14-2008, 09:17 PM
04-14-2008, 09:31 PM
Ah, very interesting, I'd never heard of this way of working the calves. Thanks, this kind of information is very useful to me -- my gym doesn't even have a standing calf machine! Certainly no Donkey machine. All I've got to work with machine-wise is one seated calf machine. To tell you the truth, any additional suggestions on exercises to do with what I've got would also be appreciated.
04-14-2008, 09:43 PM
04-14-2008, 11:04 PM
04-17-2008, 10:23 AM
04-17-2008, 07:46 PM
04-17-2008, 08:37 PM
BTW, Pumber, the calf routine of yours is killer! Calves are swole and burnt after the supersets. Very nice indeed! Thumbs up
04-18-2008, 12:35 AM
04-18-2008, 07:15 AM
glad you liked it. the results are quick too, keep it going with (or without) igf and you will see some good results in 4-6 weeks. stubborn calves will grow. every 2 weeks try to go a few kg heavier. also every 4th week or so I do the whole thing back to back in a superset i.e. all 3 exercises for 4 sets each without any rest.
@ Bodywizard: my training partner, a 2 times former Mr Australia, is the same only he trains his upper body to try to keep it in developement with his Calves, Quads and Hammies. he truelly is Quadzilla.
04-18-2008, 07:45 AM
im gonna try that calve routine to see just how good it is
04-18-2008, 07:51 AM
although my calves still have a way to go, when I started doing this routine with the igf they measured around 18 inches cold. now they are up to 20 inches some 4 months later. figure if I can add a further 2 inches a year from now, they will be nearly as I would like them.
04-18-2008, 09:32 AM
Holy hell bro, 20 inches are some big-ass calves. I get compliments on mine and they are like 18.5"
04-18-2008, 07:42 PM
still give me a year of this sort of training routine and they will be better. in fact after my pec repair I will only be able to train calves so I intend to blast them all the time.
04-18-2008, 09:40 PM
04-18-2008, 09:57 PM
04-21-2008, 04:23 PM
04-21-2008, 04:50 PM
You can always give it a shot. You'll definitely know if hit a nerve by the severe burning pain and sudden loss of bladder control, but then you'll know how deep not to go next time at least, lol
Actually, if by any chance you've ever had any run-ins with tazer happy cops, it's probably quite the same experience!
Seriously though, I've never pinned a nerve but I'm sure it's not pleasant in the least. Trial and error is the only way I can see "mapping" out your individual ideal pinning spots.
04-21-2008, 05:17 PM
By the way, I heard that hitting a nerve with an insulin needle can burn and sting but really doesn't hurt that bad.
Anyone think injections into gastrocnemius also cause localized growth in the soleus?
04-21-2008, 05:34 PM
Pumber i tried your routine on calves yesterday and WOW!!! Dude. Feeling it today man. Nice work!!!! I myself have small calves, but i'm sure that will change thanks to a little IGF and hard training.
04-21-2008, 10:44 PM
@MasterBlaster glad you enjoyed it. now watch your calves slowly transform into cows!
04-21-2008, 11:27 PM
04-26-2008, 10:03 AM
pumber i tried your workout too, pretty fun LOL
i got the best growth doing high reps and high frequency with calves back in the days, but once i got lazy about it, they atrophied, recently ive been doing heavier load (alot of 4 reps and so on) but i thik this high rep routine is better. plus i like the focus on soleus, im sure that will add to the overall girth too.
04-26-2008, 10:21 AM
did my superset version this morning doing all 9 movements in sequence without rest. calves blew up, toes were cramping.
so much fun!
04-30-2008, 09:26 AM
I would make one word of caution. A couple of years ago I was doing igf injects in the outer head of my calves and one night I injected, with some small amount of pain (which was NORMAL), and then later noticed that on the front of my shin, on the outer side (i.e. from my knee down to my ankle on the little pinky toe side), I had lost all sensation in the dermal layer of skin. I could feel below the skin, but I could take a pin and scrape my skin and not feel a thing. I think the AA spread into a nerve (and there are lots of nerves in the calves) and it took 2 yrs to regain sensation.
04-30-2008, 09:49 AM
04-30-2008, 10:12 AM
oops, not so good. yes i agree find a few good spots and stick with them so you know they arent near nerves. i dont move around, i have about 3 points on inner calves and about same on outer calves and i rotate.
never just chose any spot at random(although you have to the first time around).
04-30-2008, 10:55 AM
yup. be careful. if u have a sharp pain or anything when taking the pin in, I would NOT inject.
04-30-2008, 02:03 PM
05-01-2008, 08:18 AM
05-01-2008, 09:14 AM
05-01-2008, 10:14 AM
05-01-2008, 12:15 PM
I dont have any knowledge on the injections but I know a few people that have had good results training calfs using the methods outlined in the DC Training routine:
DC CALF STYLE TRAINING
the technique is a nice controlled negative followed by 15sec at the bottom for a super stretch then back up on your toes, thatís 1 rep and you do 1 set for 12 reps.
I did them exactly as stated above. I added an extra 2.5lbs each workout which was 2x a week (so 5lbs extra per week) while constantly battling to hit 12 reps. What's different about this style than any other I've used is the long stretch in between each rep.
Which just reinforces the theory about stretching a muscle during or after it's exercised to enable better recovery, shape and more size. My calves were less sore the days following using this style than with any other.
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