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    I got IGF-1LR3 for one purpose and one purpose only -- to make my calves proportional with the rest of my body. Anybody else here happen to have had growing puny calves at the forefront of their thoughts when deciding to try out IGF-1?

    Anyone have any experience and/or suggestions on what might work as far as developing calves as well, evenly (across all heads), etc as possible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vkg1 View Post
    I got IGF-1LR3 for one purpose and one purpose only -- to make my calves proportional with the rest of my body. Anybody else here happen to have had growing puny calves at the forefront of their thoughts when deciding to try out IGF-1?

    Anyone have any experience and/or suggestions on what might work as far as developing calves as well, evenly (across all heads), etc as possible?
    yes ive already brought my calves up 2 inches in past 4 months thanks to IGF-1(and MGF) use and I havent been just pinning them so for sure you can add good size if only concentrating on them.

    I can tell you what worked for me including a nice little calf routine I do every 2nd time im in the gym if you want?pm if so.

    Ok, if using only IGF then train calves first in the workout then immediately head to the toilet and pin 25mcg in each inner head.
    2 days later again train them first then head to toilet and pin 25mcg in each outer head.
    Then just repeat this and yes train them 3 times a week, for a muscle as stubborn as calves it works very well.

    I would recommend the addition of MGf(non-peg). I stick 500mcg into each calf a few hours before the workout.

    Good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pumbertot View Post
    yes ive already brought my calves up 2 inches in past 4 months thanks to IGF-1(and MGF) use and I havent been just pinning them so for sure you can add good size if only concentrating on them.

    I can tell you what worked for me including a nice little calf routine I do every 2nd time im in the gym if you want?pm if so.

    Ok, if using only IGF then train calves first in the workout then immediately head to the toilet and pin 25mcg in each inner head.
    2 days later again train them first then head to toilet and pin 25mcg in each outer head.
    Then just repeat this and yes train them 3 times a week, for a muscle as stubborn as calves it works very well.
    I would recommend the addition of MGf(non-peg). I stick 500mcg into each calf a few hours before the workout.

    Good luck.

    Great info Pumber!! I need this especially to bring up one calf thats 1/2" smaller than the other. I hate that...
    They are both smaller than I would like so definitely will try your routine!
    Thanks a bunch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobaslaw View Post
    Great info Pumber!! I need this especially to bring up one calf thats 1/2" smaller than the other. I hate that...
    They are both smaller than I would like so definitely will try your routine!
    Thanks a bunch.

    you should do the actual routine I do too. 1st time in the week I choose the Seated Calf Machine.

    I do a set of 20reps(with a weight that would allow 40 reps) with toes turned inwards. then I immediately put my toes onto a 20kg plate(thats lying on the floor) and do 20 reps. I then turn round so my heals are on the plate edge and my toes are on the floor and do another 20 reps. thats the first set. Increase the weight on the Seated Calf Raise and repeat with toes turned out. Do 4 sets of this and your calves are fried.

    two workouts later use the Donkey Calf Raise Machine and repeat this same workout(with the plate on the ground and all)

    two workouts later repeat this workout with the Standing Cal Raise Machine.

    and so on. along with the IGF(and mgf) they grow like never before. it hits them well but just enough so they both grow and recuperate in between their workouts. only takes like 5-10 minutes too.
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    This is great. Just the kind of information I was looking for. Unfortunately, having just performed my first injection, it seems I may have more than I realized to learn in the 101 category of injecting IGF than I realized...

    Does pinning your calves ever make them sore or anything afterwards and cause you to limp (more than already would after the intense calf routine you are doing) around during the rest of your workout?

    I ask because I "test/practice pinned" -- my first injection of anything in life -- one of my calves last night at home (w/o having worked out or anything in couple days) and it almost immediately got stiff and sore. It made me feel like stretching it out but when I would attempt to I would get pain that made me stop.

    That was an hour or two before going to bed. When I woke up my calf was perfectly fine again. My IGF-1LR3 is 1mg/ml solution in AA. I injected 15mcg together with .5ml BA water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vkg1 View Post
    This is great. Just the kind of information I was looking for. Unfortunately, having just performed my first injection, it seems I may have more than I realized to learn in the 101 category of injecting IGF than I realized...

    Does pinning your calves ever make them sore or anything afterwards and cause you to limp (more than already would after the intense calf routine you are doing) around during the rest of your workout?

    I ask because I "test/practice pinned" -- my first injection of anything in life -- one of my calves last night at home (w/o having worked out or anything in couple days) and it almost immediately got stiff and sore. It made me feel like stretching it out but when I would attempt to I would get pain that made me stop.

    That was an hour or two before going to bed. When I woke up my calf was perfectly fine again. My IGF-1LR3 is 1mg/ml solution in AA. I injected 15mcg together with .5ml BA water.
    hmm not so sure. hasnt ever happened to me but everyone reacts differently. whihc area of the calf did you inject roughly?
    dont ever inject near where the inner and outer heads meet(the sort of bum shaped part) as there are vital nerves that run down there. you should almost be going in sideways into either head.
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    I've got the injecting down now. Indeed I think it was that I was too close to the middle of the calf as you describe.

    Your workout sounds awesome. Could you please go into a little for detail in description of what it is that you are doing while on the floor with plates? I don't can't quite picture what you are doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vkg1 View Post
    I've got the injecting down now. Indeed I think it was that I was too close to the middle of the calf as you describe.

    Your workout sounds awesome. Could you please go into a little for detail in description of what it is that you are doing while on the floor with plates? I don't can't quite picture what you are doing.

    Just use a weight plate (45lb or whatever) to stand on with the balls of your feet. Look at this pic, just use a plate instead of the board as depicted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobaslaw View Post
    Just use a weight plate (45lb or whatever) to stand on with the balls of your feet. Look at this pic, just use a plate instead of the board as depicted.

    thanks mate. yes this way with a plate. and then you do the reverse, have your heals on the plate and toes on the floor and again raise up onto the toes. they both work the calves through different ranges of motion and basically help to recruit maximum number of fibres which means more muscle breakdown and hence greater hypertrophy/hyperplasia with igf/mgf.
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    Ah, very interesting, I'd never heard of this way of working the calves. Thanks, this kind of information is very useful to me -- my gym doesn't even have a standing calf machine! Certainly no Donkey machine. All I've got to work with machine-wise is one seated calf machine. To tell you the truth, any additional suggestions on exercises to do with what I've got would also be appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vkg1 View Post
    -- my gym doesn't even have a standing calf machine! .
    In my home gym I just load up some plates on the Bar and do some standing calf raises off the edge of a heavy board I have here. (could use a 45lb plate too). With heavier weight, balance is important, since I have nearly fallen face forward on more than one occasion, lol...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobaslaw View Post
    In my home gym I just load up some plates on the Bar and do some standing calf raises off the edge of a heavy board I have here. (could use a 45lb plate too). With heavier weight, balance is important, since I have nearly fallen face forward on more than one occasion, lol...
    yes! you can make your own block if there isnt one and have an extra piece protruding from the bottom so it doesnt tip/flip when your toes are on it. go under a smith machine and you now have a standing calf raise machine. as for donkey calf raises, easy do them as I used to before training at a gym with such a machine, get your traning partner to sit on your lower back like in the good old days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pumbertot View Post
    yes! you can make your own block if there isnt one and have an extra piece protruding from the bottom so it doesnt tip/flip when your toes are on it. go under a smith machine and you now have a standing calf raise machine. as for donkey calf raises, easy do them as I used to before training at a gym with such a machine, get your traning partner to sit on your lower back like in the good old days.
    The leg press can do a pretty good imitation of a donkey calf machine...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76 View Post
    The leg press can do a pretty good imitation of a donkey calf machine...
    lol of course it can and i do use it every once in a while for a change. nice one bro.
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    BTW, Pumber, the calf routine of yours is killer! Calves are swole and burnt after the supersets. Very nice indeed! Thumbs up
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    Quote Originally Posted by vkg1 View Post
    I got IGF-1LR3 for one purpose and one purpose only -- to make my calves proportional with the rest of my body.
    Interesting: one of my primary goals in working out is make the rest of my body proportional to my calves....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobaslaw View Post
    BTW, Pumber, the calf routine of yours is killer! Calves are swole and burnt after the supersets. Very nice indeed! Thumbs up

    glad you liked it. the results are quick too, keep it going with (or without) igf and you will see some good results in 4-6 weeks. stubborn calves will grow. every 2 weeks try to go a few kg heavier. also every 4th week or so I do the whole thing back to back in a superset i.e. all 3 exercises for 4 sets each without any rest.

    @ Bodywizard: my training partner, a 2 times former Mr Australia, is the same only he trains his upper body to try to keep it in developement with his Calves, Quads and Hammies. he truelly is Quadzilla.
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    im gonna try that calve routine to see just how good it is
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistonpump View Post
    im gonna try that calve routine to see just how good it is
    it great. i did forget to mention that when you have either your toes on the plate or heals on the plate and raising onto toes, you try to get onto the tips as if trying to be a ballerina and really accenuate the contraction, holding for 1-2 seconds on every rep. really makes a difference, claves blow up huge.

    although my calves still have a way to go, when I started doing this routine with the igf they measured around 18 inches cold. now they are up to 20 inches some 4 months later. figure if I can add a further 2 inches a year from now, they will be nearly as I would like them.
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    Holy hell bro, 20 inches are some big-ass calves. I get compliments on mine and they are like 18.5"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76 View Post
    Holy hell bro, 20 inches are some big-ass calves. I get compliments on mine and they are like 18.5"
    thanks bro. but im sure yours are really impressive and tie-in low into the ankles. see mine sit a little high, nearer the knee joint so to look impressive I need more size. I also have a friend with 18 inch calves and due to the genetic shaze they look bigger than mine.

    still give me a year of this sort of training routine and they will be better. in fact after my pec repair I will only be able to train calves so I intend to blast them all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pumbertot View Post
    thanks bro. but im sure yours are really impressive and tie-in low into the ankles. see mine sit a little high, nearer the knee joint so to look impressive I need more size. I also have a friend with 18 inch calves and due to the genetic shaze they look bigger than mine.

    still give me a year of this sort of training routine and they will be better. in fact after my pec repair I will only be able to train calves so I intend to blast them all the time.
    Do you ever, or have you considered, injecting into the soleus separately as a 3rd location in addition to the two sides of the gastrocnemius you said you do now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vkg1 View Post
    Do you ever, or have you considered, injecting into the soleus separately as a 3rd location in addition to the two sides of the gastrocnemius you said you do now?
    have considered it but there are some major nerves just under it and they are not very deep so personally did not want to risk any damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pumbertot View Post
    have considered it but there are some major nerves just under it and they are not very deep so personally did not want to risk any damage.
    I wonder if a shallowly inserted 31G 5/16" would be safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vkg1 View Post
    I wonder if a shallowly inserted 31G 5/16" would be safe.

    You can always give it a shot. You'll definitely know if hit a nerve by the severe burning pain and sudden loss of bladder control, but then you'll know how deep not to go next time at least, lol
    Actually, if by any chance you've ever had any run-ins with tazer happy cops, it's probably quite the same experience!

    Seriously though, I've never pinned a nerve but I'm sure it's not pleasant in the least. Trial and error is the only way I can see "mapping" out your individual ideal pinning spots.

    Take Care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobaslaw View Post
    You can always give it a shot. You'll definitely know if hit a nerve by the severe burning pain and sudden loss of bladder control, but then you'll know how deep not to go next time at least, lol
    Actually, if by any chance you've ever had any run-ins with tazer happy cops, it's probably quite the same experience!

    Seriously though, I've never pinned a nerve but I'm sure it's not pleasant in the least. Trial and error is the only way I can see "mapping" out your individual ideal pinning spots.

    Take Care.
    I guess a big part of the considerations is the question of whether or not injections into the gastrocnemius also cause some localized growth in the soleus. If so, the injecting into soleus probably not worth the bother. However, if the IGF basically stays in gastrocnemius only before getting in blood and going systemic (thereby basically being evenly distributed throughout all muscles), then maybe some of us severely chicken legged fellas might want to think about injecting soleus too.

    By the way, I heard that hitting a nerve with an insulin needle can burn and sting but really doesn't hurt that bad.

    Anyone think injections into gastrocnemius also cause localized growth in the soleus?
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    Pumber i tried your routine on calves yesterday and WOW!!! Dude. Feeling it today man. Nice work!!!! I myself have small calves, but i'm sure that will change thanks to a little IGF and hard training.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vkg1 View Post
    I guess a big part of the considerations is the question of whether or not injections into the gastrocnemius also cause some localized growth in the soleus. If so, the injecting into soleus probably not worth the bother. However, if the IGF basically stays in gastrocnemius only before getting in blood and going systemic (thereby basically being evenly distributed throughout all muscles), then maybe some of us severely chicken legged fellas might want to think about injecting soleus too.

    By the way, I heard that hitting a nerve with an insulin needle can burn and sting but really doesn't hurt that bad.

    Anyone think injections into gastrocnemius also cause localized growth in the soleus?
    dont worry, for sure my soleus have gained in size too, im sure the igf is able to exert a localised effect in both muscles as they are practically one muscle group to the body. much like the pec major and minor.

    @MasterBlaster glad you enjoyed it. now watch your calves slowly transform into cows!
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    Can't wait bro!
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    pumber i tried your workout too, pretty fun LOL

    i got the best growth doing high reps and high frequency with calves back in the days, but once i got lazy about it, they atrophied, recently ive been doing heavier load (alot of 4 reps and so on) but i thik this high rep routine is better. plus i like the focus on soleus, im sure that will add to the overall girth too.

    thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by comacho View Post
    pumber i tried your workout too, pretty fun LOL

    i got the best growth doing high reps and high frequency with calves back in the days, but once i got lazy about it, they atrophied, recently ive been doing heavier load (alot of 4 reps and so on) but i thik this high rep routine is better. plus i like the focus on soleus, im sure that will add to the overall girth too.

    thanks.
    yes so much fun indeed. see you can still do your low reps on the calf equipment to try to thicken the fibres and you get the high reps from the freestanding on the plate.
    did my superset version this morning doing all 9 movements in sequence without rest. calves blew up, toes were cramping.
    so much fun!
    enjoy.
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    I would make one word of caution. A couple of years ago I was doing igf injects in the outer head of my calves and one night I injected, with some small amount of pain (which was NORMAL), and then later noticed that on the front of my shin, on the outer side (i.e. from my knee down to my ankle on the little pinky toe side), I had lost all sensation in the dermal layer of skin. I could feel below the skin, but I could take a pin and scrape my skin and not feel a thing. I think the AA spread into a nerve (and there are lots of nerves in the calves) and it took 2 yrs to regain sensation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babyblu View Post
    I would make one word of caution. A couple of years ago I was doing igf injects in the outer head of my calves and one night I injected, with some small amount of pain (which was NORMAL), and then later noticed that on the front of my shin, on the outer side (i.e. from my knee down to my ankle on the little pinky toe side), I had lost all sensation in the dermal layer of skin. I could feel below the skin, but I could take a pin and scrape my skin and not feel a thing. I think the AA spread into a nerve (and there are lots of nerves in the calves) and it took 2 yrs to regain sensation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babyblu View Post
    I would make one word of caution. A couple of years ago I was doing igf injects in the outer head of my calves and one night I injected, with some small amount of pain (which was NORMAL), and then later noticed that on the front of my shin, on the outer side (i.e. from my knee down to my ankle on the little pinky toe side), I had lost all sensation in the dermal layer of skin. I could feel below the skin, but I could take a pin and scrape my skin and not feel a thing. I think the AA spread into a nerve (and there are lots of nerves in the calves) and it took 2 yrs to regain sensation.

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    oops, not so good. yes i agree find a few good spots and stick with them so you know they arent near nerves. i dont move around, i have about 3 points on inner calves and about same on outer calves and i rotate.
    never just chose any spot at random(although you have to the first time around).
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    yup. be careful. if u have a sharp pain or anything when taking the pin in, I would NOT inject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babyblu View Post
    yup. be careful. if u have a sharp pain or anything when taking the pin in, I would NOT inject.

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    And if the muscle spasms up like crazy, is that OK?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76 View Post
    And if the muscle spasms up like crazy, is that OK?
    No that spasm means you aren't deep enough and you need to shove the pin in a little further.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babyblu View Post
    No that spasm means you aren't deep enough and you need to shove the pin in a little further.
    no you need to retract the needle as its all wrong.
    then take a 19 guage white needle and insert full length until you hit bone. then you know its the correct spot for maximum effect.
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    19g? yikes!~
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    I dont have any knowledge on the injections but I know a few people that have had good results training calfs using the methods outlined in the DC Training routine:
    DC CALF STYLE TRAINING
    the technique is a nice controlled negative followed by 15sec at the bottom for a super stretch then back up on your toes, thatís 1 rep and you do 1 set for 12 reps.
    I did them exactly as stated above. I added an extra 2.5lbs each workout which was 2x a week (so 5lbs extra per week) while constantly battling to hit 12 reps. What's different about this style than any other I've used is the long stretch in between each rep.
    Which just reinforces the theory about stretching a muscle during or after it's exercised to enable better recovery, shape and more size. My calves were less sore the days following using this style than with any other.
  

  
 

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