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Once I reconstitute it with AA do I have to refrigerate it? I believe that I read somewhere that once reconstituted it will be fine at room temp for a while. What do you recommend?
I think it's a lot more stable then what it got credit for years ago. I kept mine in my truck for three months and even after all that shaking around it was still good.Once I reconstitute it with AA do I have to refrigerate it? I believe that I read somewhere that once reconstituted it will be fine at room temp for a while. What do you recommend?
I just received a couple mgs of IGF-1LR3 in AA and did something very stupid with them. I left the two vials in my car where they got hot for a few hours. Then I threw them in the freezer because I was freaking out about how hot they were. But then I forgot them in the freezer (was only going to put them in there for a few minutes before switching to fridge) and they froze.
What does freezing do to IGF-1LR3? Have I just destroyed my several hundred dollars worth of brand new IGF-1 before I even got to try it?
If it was all ready in AA, freezing it probably destroyed the peptide.
Could you please elaborate? What is it about being in AA solution that would cause the peptide to get destroyed when frozen? What other kind of freezing (obviously not powder since powder isn't a liquid) would the peptide have survived?If it was all ready in AA, freezing it probably destroyed the peptide.
IGF is a very fragile peptide that is greatly susceptible to shock, thus you never inject AA directly into the lypholized powder and let it dribble down the side instead. Also, you never shake it, rather gently swirling to reconstitute.Could you please elaborate? What is it about being in AA solution that would cause the peptide to get destroyed when frozen? What other kind of freezing (obviously not powder since powder isn't a liquid) would the peptide have survived?
The general consensus I have seen is that you should not Freeze/thaw it in solution for the reasons listed before. Freezing the lypholized powder has been said to be fine on many forums.So am I probably screwed or do I have 50/50 chance that it's going to be fine or what? This is a total disaster for a poor student with no income.
Anyone heard of anyone in the past forgetting LGF-1 in car in winter or something and having it freeze but come out fine?
If you look at the last paragraph on this page, this Dave Palumbo guy seems to be saying that IGF-1LR3 can be frozen unlike other more complex peptides. Is that for some different form only (ie not in AA suspension) or something? AAAAAAAAAHH this is a total disaster!
I've got that same write up. I'd wonder how it was frozen though. "Flash" frozen, or just stuck in a freezer.
I'd still use the stuff you have VK if it was mine. Just know that it might not be as potent as it originally was. Try it, and if you don't notice any changes, double the doseage.
agree. he should just treat it as having no degradation and stick to original guidelines. he will know during the cycle if he is getting the good pumps that at least it is working to some degree. nevermind if he never knows how much of it was working, just use it as being good. worst that can happen is nothing and at best, everything.I agree there may be viable IGF in there but who knows how much.
I do not agree to "seeing how it feels" to be a good method of assessing viability. Many ppl do not get any sides from IGF like hypo feelings, pumps etc and you do not have any idea if he would either. Just doubling or tripling up the dosage does not tell you how much viable IGF you are getting in this situation, and as we all know from all the IGF info here, proper dosages are quite small with small margins. There is no way I could even attempt to guestimate how much of a potentially degraded IGF solution I would need to dose properly within the guidelines (Grunts IGF protocols).
Personally, I would not do this because I would not be certain how much I am getting. What if there was no degradation in his situation or very little? And with small mcg dosages, doubling up can be a big difference. I mean, would you do this with potentially degraded PH or Test? Just shoot or take a double dose if you don't feel anything not knowing how much you're getting?
I don't think it is very responsible for any of us to tell him to do this, especially if we have no hard facts as to the state of the IGF.
My 2 cents, take it for what it's worth.
Take Care.
Good info, however, my analogy may have been misleading from what I meant. I was not really so concerned about the outward "pressure" expansion of the "water" at its border with the container it resides in.Also, by the way, just thought I'd point out that freezing doesn't necessarily mean tremendous pressure was applied to the peptides in the sense like you might imagine after the experience of having a coke can or something explode in a freezer. The reason is that the vial has a huge volume of air and only one little mL of the solution. This is the opposite of situation like coke can where there is hugh amount of liquid that expands when freezes and only very small amount of air. Thus, when the water expands upon freezing, the pressure in the vial doesn't increase significantly at all. The expansion of 1mL, in fact, might be smaller than the decompression of the air in the vial (since air contracts/gets more dense with drop in temperature). So pressure-wise it's more akin to something freezing in an open glass of water or a lake or a puddle or something -- there's no actual increase in pressure on anything frozen inside. At least that what physics 101 understanding of things tells me...
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