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Where could I find Acetic Acid??

Wonderman

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I saw a post on how to make it but I was hoping there was a local store to buy it. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
Kroger's? Giant Eagle? Gertrudes Acetic Acid Superstore?
 
You could get AA pellets from fischersci and mix in sterile DIW. (Dangerous, though. AA pellets will burn your hands and eat through your clothes, and water only makes it worse).
 
For .6% AA (to reconstitute IGF) take 1ml of distilled vinegar and 7ml distilled water, mix together, sterile filter and put it into a sterile vial.


FYI - This is assuming you are using 5% Distilled vinegar (most common type).
 
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thank you exodus

that sounds pretty simple, I'm feeling pretty sketchy about playing chemist though, is there any links to a step by step with pictures that describe exactly how to do this?? have you personally done this before too??

if you wouldn't mind telling me exactly what kind of vinegar is used too?? do you mean simply buying some vinegar from safeway or something, letting it sit for awhile to distill it and then just mixing/sterilizing it??

i would like to carry out some IGF research on some rats but have never done anything like this, and although it looks quite simple, am still feeling uneasy about injecting something into my rat that I made in my kitchen
 
neverstop said:
thank you exodus

that sounds pretty simple, I'm feeling pretty sketchy about playing chemist though, is there any links to a step by step with pictures that describe exactly how to do this?? have you personally done this before too??

if you wouldn't mind telling me exactly what kind of vinegar is used too?? do you mean simply buying some vinegar from safeway or something, letting it sit for awhile to distill it and then just mixing/sterilizing it??

i would like to carry out some IGF research on some rats but have never done anything like this, and although it looks quite simple, am still feeling uneasy about injecting something into my rat that I made in my kitchen
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The vinegar is already distilled. Yes, generic white vinegar - Safeway brand (just picked some up myself), verify that it is 5%, its on the back label and a gallon of distilled water.

Haven't done it myself just yet, just researching and gathering knowledge for an upcoming 'experiment' in January.

You will need a sterile syringe, a sterile vial, & sterile syringe filter. Pull 1ml of vinegar into syringe, then pull 7ml of DW, add the sterile filter, and put it into your vial. An alcohol wipe should be used across the top of the vial.
 
thanks man, those little details are very helpful. maybe you wouldn't mind replying back here when you've finished to let us all know how it went??
 
neverstop said:
thanks man, those little details are very helpful. maybe you wouldn't mind replying back here when you've finished to let us all know how it went??
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I will follow up with detailed instructions and perhaps some pix if it is more involved than I currently understand it.
 
that would be great man! also, this would produce something that is about (1/7=.142) 14% acetic acid, i was under the impression that what is ideal is much lower than that, have seen between 5% and 10% i believe. where did you get this ratio as the ideal amount? i'm not sure what the ideal acid % is but i'm sure the Ph will be important for shelf life of the IGF.
 
does anyone here know what the acetic acid % was that a former board sponsor here used to ship with their IGF kits??

they seem to never answer their phone or their emails so not holding my breath on getting a response from them on this.....
 
Xodus said:
The vinegar is already distilled. Yes, generic white vinegar - Safeway brand (just picked some up myself), verify that it is 5%, its on the back label and a gallon of distilled water.

Haven't done it myself just yet, just researching and gathering knowledge for an upcoming 'experiment' in January.

You will need a sterile syringe, a sterile vial, & sterile syringe filter. Pull 1ml of vinegar into syringe, then pull 7ml of DW, add the sterile filter, and put it into your vial. An alcohol wipe should be used across the top of the vial.
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Very good bro! Don't forget the needles. One to draw with...another to attach to the filter into the vial and another to insert in the vial to relieve pressure.
 
neverstop said:
that would be great man! also, this would produce something that is about (1/7=.142) 14% acetic acid, i was under the impression that what is ideal is much lower than that, have seen between 5% and 10% i believe. where did you get this ratio as the ideal amount? i'm not sure what the ideal acid % is but i'm sure the Ph will be important for shelf life of the IGF.
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Here you go:

Reconstituting IGF - Using Distilled White Vinegar for Acetic Acid

I began using this method many months ago ... mainly out of impatience. I was out of Benzyl Alcohol, and while I had access to HCl, it wasn't accessible when I wanted to begin my Long R3 IGF-1 cycle. I decided to use plain ol' grocery store Distilled White Vinegar. I used the following, which has worked out really well for me....and the feedback I have had from others that I have shared it with has been positive so far. So here it is for anyone that is interested:

The calculation:
Distilled white vinegar is supposed to be standardized to ~5% acetic acid, which would make it 850mM. To get it to the recommended 100mM, you'd want 11.76% white vinegar (100mM/850mM = 11.76%). Since it would be almost impossible to draw out 11.76IU's, I round this to 12, which is certainly going to be close to our desired 100mM.

The filtering process:
I use off the shelf grocery store distilled white vinegar. In order to ensure safety, I filter it using .20u whatman filters. Here is the step by step for those that may not be familiar with filtering using whatmans. What you will want to have on hand before starting out is some sterile vials, some .20u whatman filters, some syringes and needles (I use a 10cc syringe, and .23 gauge 1" needles), and some alcohol swabs.

(1) First draw up about 10cc of the distilled white vinegar
(2) screw on the .20u whatman to the 10cc syringe (or whatever size you use)
(3) screw on a .23 gauge needle (or whatever size you decide to use)
(4) take your sterile vial, swab the top with alcohol, insert a needle for venting.
(5) Insert your syringe/whatman/needle apparatus and slowly push the 10cc's into the sterile vial.

Now you have safe vinegar to use for your reconstituting.

ALTERNATE METHOD - Alternately, you could simply mix your water and distilled white vinegar before filtering using about 7.5 parts of water per 1 part of distilled white vinegar. After mixing these together in this ratio, run the mixture through your .20u whatman as above. You will end up with a vial of dilutent this way that has the proper PH for use with your IGF-1.

Reconstituting:

How much water/vinegar you reconstitute with is going to somewhat depend on which LR3 IGF-1 you are using. Igtropin is shipped in 100mcg vials, which I usually reconstitute at 1ml(cc) per 100mcg vial (which will make the 10 mark on your insulin syringe = 10 mcgs). The gropep based IGF-1's are primarily shipped in 1mg vials, and I usually use 5ml for these (which will make the 10 mark on your insulin syringe = 20mcgs).
At any rate, what I do is:

(1) take an alcohol swab and swab the tops of my water, vinegar solution, and IGF-1 vials
(2) take a syringe with a 23 gauge, 1" needle and draw out .12 cc's of vinegar for the 100mcg vials or .60 cc's for the 1mg vials.
(3) next I take this syringe and draw out the water - .88cc's for 100mcg, 4.4cc's for the 1mg.

FOR ALTERNATE METHOD in lieu of steps (2) and (3) - Just draw out the desired amount of dilutent from your pre-mixed vial of
vinegar / water.

(4) next i poke the needle into the LR3 IGF-1 vial and dribble this solution down the side of the vial, avoid any direct spray on the lyophilized powder until all of the dilutent is in the vial
(5) using a gentle swirling motion, I reconstitute the powder.
(6) I stick the vial in the fridge and it is now ready for use.

Well, I think that about sums it up. Hope this helps anyone who may have been wondering about using vinegar to reconstitute. I would advise that if you end up using Igtropin, you seriously consider using this vinegar method. Igtropin and other dilutents such as BA do not get along well together at all.

RedBaron @ IFL
 
if that works then thats what i'll do, i swear i saw a lakemountD post somewhere that said it was 10% or less though...cant seem to find it now though

thanks man!
 
neverstop said:
as soon as i figure out the right acid % to get the right Ph to use i'm thinking i'm going to just take tons of pics and make a sticky about this since a common source of this just stopped shipping acetic acid with the igf and this seems to be a common question lately judging by how often its been written up on here

does anyone know if there is something like this around already? dont want to waste my time doing something thats already been done and i'm going to be doing this pretty soon most likely too
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There are lots of stickies on this subject, here and at other forums.

Grunt and Red Baron seem to be the most prolific authors of said threads.
 
yeah Grunt is the man, without him and Lakemount i'm sure we'd have alot of iron men with big guts doing all sorts of stupid things with these peptides. wonder whatever happened to lakemount...havn't seen him post on here in awhile...

thanks again, i didn't see any stickies that show how to make it like you just posted and i did search awhile, maybe i'm blind....

i appreciate it though. thanks.

when you do this be sure to post up how the IGF worked with the home brew acid to stabilize it and i'll do the same. i have a few vials and i'm already familiar with how the effects so i should be able to tell how much more/less stable it is over time with this method/Ph of acid
 
neverstop said:
yeah Grunt is the man, without him and Lakemount i'm sure we'd have alot of iron men with big guts doing all sorts of stupid things with these peptides. wonder whatever happened to lakemount...havn't seen him post on here in awhile...

thanks again, i didn't see any stickies that show how to make it like you just posted and i did search awhile, maybe i'm blind....

i appreciate it though. thanks.

when you do this be sure to post up how the IGF worked with the home brew acid to stabilize it and i'll do the same. i have a few vials and i'm already familiar with how the effects so i should be able to tell how much more/less stable it is over time with this method/Ph of acid
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I will be using IGF for my first time shortly, but it will be while in the midst of this:

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I'm not sure what I will be able to attribute directly to IGF but I will post my thoughts on the process.
 
just to let everyone know in case you were wondering, our old board sponsor who shipped alot of IGF used a 10% acetic acid solution.
 
i dont even want to think about what would happen if you injected apple cidar vinegar....

for any newb reading this, you absolutely can NOT use that, must use distilled white vinegar
 
neverstop said:
i dont even want to think about what would happen if you injected apple cidar vinegar....

for any newb reading this, you absolutely can NOT use that, must use distilled white vinegar
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That scares the hell out of me...
 
neverstop said:
just to let everyone know in case you were wondering, our old board sponsor who shipped alot of IGF used a 10% acetic acid solution.
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10% AA is a heck of a lot stronger than the 5% that vinegar already is. I'm pretty sure we are just shooting for a sterile solvent with the correct pH.
 
Xodus said:
10% AA is a heck of a lot stronger than the 5% that vinegar already is. I'm pretty sure we are just shooting for a sterile solvent with the correct pH.
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so what is the consensus on the filter size that should be used? i have found a .2u and .45u. i think i'm just going to go for it and make my own because i have yet to find pre-diluted sterile aa. i'm very weary about doing this myself because i'm not the greatest with math. for anyone who is decent with numbers, what would be the calculations of vinegar and distilled water for 2ml of aa solution?
 
sfearl1 said:
so what is the consensus on the filter size that should be used? i have found a .2u and .45u. i think i'm just going to go for it and make my own because i have yet to find pre-diluted sterile aa. i'm very weary about doing this myself because i'm not the greatest with math. for anyone who is decent with numbers, what would be the calculations of vinegar and distilled water for 2ml of aa solution?
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.2u filter. As far as the 'math' goes, just follow the ratios in the posts above. ie. 7.5 parts water :1 part vinegar 1ml, 2ml 10ml, the ratio is the same. So pull 7.5cc's water and 1cc vinegar into a syringe, attach filter & needle, push the desired amount into (vented) sterile vial.
 
Xodus said:
.2u filter. As far as the 'math' goes, just follow the ratios in the posts above. ie. 7.5 parts water :1 part vinegar 1ml, 2ml 10ml, the ratio is the same. So pull 7.5cc's water and 1cc vinegar into a syringe, attach filter & needle, push the desired amount into (vented) sterile vial.
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geez i guess i was making it out to be some sort of calculus problem. so i would just mix the 7.5 parts water 1 part vinegar solution in a syringe, then push out 2ml into a sterile vial? what would be the point of the sterile vial then? couldn't i just swirl the solution in the syringe, then push 2ml through the filter into my igf vial (down the side)?
 
sfearl1 said:
geez i guess i was making it out to be some sort of calculus problem. so i would just mix the 7.5 parts water 1 part vinegar solution in a syringe, then push out 2ml into a sterile vial? what would be the point of the sterile vial then? couldn't i just swirl the solution in the syringe, then push 2ml through the filter into my igf vial (down the side)?
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Yeah, That would work too. If you have a spare vial AND you might think about running IGF again, you would have 'extra'. Sterile vials are cheaper than syringe filters...
 
Xodus said:
Yeah, That would work too. If you have a spare vial AND you might think about running IGF again, you would have 'extra'. Sterile vials are cheaper than syringe filters...
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thats a good idea. thanks a lot X you've been more than helpful
 
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