[pudzian2]

I'm Trying to distinguish between the Every Day, Every Other Day, or Every 3rd Day injection protocols for IGF-1. The theories are all sound that argue for one way or another but I would like to hear peoples results. If you have tried one or more of these methods please say:

1.) WHY
2.) which method
3.) what dose
4.) how long on
5.) with anabolics?
6.) results

[soultrain]

1.) WHY - To avoid permagut and continue dosing indefinitely
2.) which method - bilateral IM EOD
3.) what dose - 50mcg
4.) how long on - 2 months
5.) with anabolics? - No
6.) results - Have not taken any measurements, but results are plainly visible. Fat lost and lean muscle gained.

[pudzian2]

Originally Posted by soultrain

1.) WHY - To avoid permagut and continue dosing indefinitely
2.) which method - bilateral IM EOD
3.) what dose - 50mcg
4.) how long on - 2 months
5.) with anabolics? - No
6.) results - Have not taken any measurements, but results are plainly visible. Fat lost and lean muscle gained.

I am about to start a 14 week injectable cycle. I was planning on using IGF-1 for the first 4 weeks and then again in post cycle therapy. I will be training 5 days a week while on my cycle. How should EOD be incorporated into a 5 day split? Did you adjust your workout schedule to accommodate the IGF-1

On the same token if EOD dosing is to maximize the amount of time on while minimizing the side effects, would ED dosing (every workout day) for say 4 weeks at a clip be ideal?

[beebab]

bump. i've been wondering this myself. after reading around it seems that the general consensus for an ED dosing protocol for IGF is to cycle 25 days on, then 25 off, followed by 25 on again. in your case this would work very well, as the first 25 days would cover almost the first month of your cycle, and the next 25 day run would be almost near post cycle therapy time.

still, i'm curious as to how people have dosed IGF-1 in this context and what the results were.

[not_big_enuf]

ED is best for noticeable gains. i've done quite a few cycles and EOD or E3D is fine and dandy, but i don't believe it's the way to go. 80--120mcg ED is where it's at in my opinion... 4-5 weeks max. i didn't see squat until i hit the 80mcg mark... and e3d was a waste of my time. eod was marginal AT BEST.

gains also come down the road as new cells mature. it's noticeable that gains are easier a few months after IGF. not dramatic, but very steady. stack with test and gh if possible. if not, just test baby!

[beebab]

Originally Posted by not_big_enuf

ED is best for noticeable gains. i've done quite a few cycles and EOD or E3D is fine and dandy, but i don't believe it's the way to go. 80--120mcg ED is where it's at in my opinion... 4-5 weeks max. i didn't see squat until i hit the 80mcg mark... and e3d was a waste of my time. eod was marginal AT BEST.

gains also come down the road as new cells mature. it's noticeable that gains are easier a few months after IGF. not dramatic, but very steady. stack with test and gh if possible. if not, just test baby!

that sounds like a solid plan, but wouldn't you risk growing out things you don't really wanna grow out w those high doses. would it be best to pin just rh IGF directly PWO, or would pinning long IGF-1 directly PWO in the targeted area accomplish the same feat?

there are pros and cons to both. rh IGF-1 may be localized, but at the same time it will only affect the area where you pin it, so if you were to pin it in your upper chest it will only affect that area of your upper pec, not your total pec. whereas if you were to pin long IGF-1, you will essentially cover the entire area of the muscle... however, won't the residual long IGF just spill over into your system til it finds another receptor... which may possibly be your intestines? that's the only thing i'm afraid of.

[Distilled Water]

In a few weeks Im going to run a Mon/Wed/Fri split for 6 weeks.....3 weeks superdrol & 3 weeks P.C.T. @ 50mcg (25 bi-lateral)

While Im on Im going to pin chest, shoulders, and bi's
P.C.T. will be Quads, Calves, tri's.

I've gatherd from searching a few boards and old threads, I think this will be most benifical as the first 3 are my lagging parts and the P.C.T are my stronger areas.

[chainsaw]

Originally Posted by beebab

that sounds like a solid plan, but wouldn't you risk growing out things you don't really wanna grow out w those high doses. would it be best to pin just rh IGF directly PWO, or would pinning long IGF-1 directly PWO in the targeted area accomplish the same feat?

there are pros and cons to both. rh IGF-1 may be localized, but at the same time it will only affect the area where you pin it, so if you were to pin it in your upper chest it will only affect that area of your upper pec, not your total pec. whereas if you were to pin long IGF-1, you will essentially cover the entire area of the muscle... however, won't the residual long IGF just spill over into your system til it finds another receptor... which may possibly be your intestines? that's the only thing i'm afraid of.

Bump for an answer on 50mcg ED, with this grow your internal organs.

[thesinner]

Every 3rd Day

1.) I've heard IGF will activate the receptor for 72 hours. I've done it 2x per week and 4x per week and didn't notice any difference with the results. Might as well just use less and save yourself a third of the cost (IGF is expensive)
2.) Bilaterally, every 3rd day, immediately post workout
3.) 20mcg x 2 shots
4.) 6 weeks
5.) It was done during PCT
6.) Leaner. Continuing to grow between cycles. Faster Recovery during PCT.

[Hank Vangut]

it seems a lot of guys think of IGF1 as something you should notice like an anabolic steroids cycle. but i feel it is much more subtle and long term as far as far as impact and results.

i agree a lot w/Sinner's point of view.

if you use a high dose and frequency it will feel more like its working because you get more of the hypo sides and pumps and such, but at the same time you risk a greater degree of negative sides. also, i believe at a high dose you will be wasting a lot of it since it only takes a very small amount to hit the muscle receptors you want to hit. it seems with peptides - more isn't always better even though it may feel like it is. this stuff is new and in research phase for a reason - we don't really know what it can do long term to the body. i think it would be safer to take too little than too much.

i didn't feel or notice much during a low dose E3D cycle and after 4 weeks i thought i wasted my money. but now 2 months later i am seeing results i can't explain. pinned bis, tris, and delts. they are all bigger and i'm lighter!

btw. i did change my workout routine around to make sure i was able to pin the muscles i wanted to hit.

[pudzian2]

Originally Posted by Distilled Water

In a few weeks Im going to run a Mon/Wed/Fri split for 6 weeks.....3 weeks superdrol & 3 weeks P.C.T. @ 50mcg (25 bi-lateral)

While Im on Im going to pin chest, shoulders, and bi's
P.C.T. will be Quads, Calves, tri's.

I've gatherd from searching a few boards and old threads, I think this will be most benifical as the first 3 are my lagging parts and the P.C.T are my stronger areas.

was there a reason for only pinning three muscle groups at a time?

[pudzian2]

My other question was that I will be doing a 16 week injectable while using IGF. see cycle plans in thread "Possible Safe-ish cycle ideas." My thoughts were to use it at 40mcg PWO Every Training Day (4-5, probably 5) days a week. for 4 weeks, then off again for four weeks, then on again from weeks 8-12(maybe) then off again for weeks 12-16 and then on again for the first 4 weeks of post cycle therapy.

This was all outlined using the theory that if using IGF that many timesweek then the cycles should be kept to 4 week lengths to avoid growing organssevere downregulationgh shutdown etc.

Now ON paper and in reality thats alot of IGF. If people like the sinner would recommend only using 40mcg EOD or E3D then using it 5 daysweek is quantitatively ALOT more IGF floating around in the body.

Maybe it would be best to use less of a dose like 20-30 mcg Every Training Day for these 4 week cycles.
What do you suppose the best way to get maximum results from IGF-1 while ON cycle and Post cycle in my particular situation is??.

[Travis]

Originally Posted by pudzian2

My other question was that I will be doing a 16 week injectable while using IGF. see cycle plans in thread "Possible Safe-ish cycle ideas." My thoughts were to use it at 40mcg PWO Every Training Day (4-5, probably 5) days a week. for 4 weeks, then off again for four weeks, then on again from weeks 8-12(maybe) then off again for weeks 12-16 and then on again for the first 4 weeks of post cycle therapy.

This was all outlined using the theory that if using IGF that many timesweek then the cycles should be kept to 4 week lengths to avoid growing organssevere downregulationgh shutdown etc.

Now ON paper and in reality thats alot of IGF. If people like the sinner would recommend only using 40mcg EOD or E3D then using it 5 daysweek is quantitatively ALOT more IGF floating around in the body.

Maybe it would be best to use less of a dose like 20-30 mcg Every Training Day for these 4 week cycles.
What do you suppose the best way to get maximum results from IGF-1 while ON cycle and Post cycle in my particular situation is??.

I think your original plan is very solid. While many on this board may not agree with the frequency or dosage I would say your okay even at 50mcg bi-lat 4 or 5 times/week. I personally have only pinned IGF for 2 weeks prior to an oral cycle (did 50mcg 4x/week), and I will run it again for 3 more weeks in an upcoming pct at the same dosage.

Except for AM.com, most of the other user feedback I have read is done at much higher dosage (100mcg ED or even more) and the feedback has been pretty good with little complaints of sides. Its sort of a "use it to see how you react to it" kind of thing.

I know that Jomi was only using something like 30mcg and experienced some intestinal growth. I have seen other guys post logs of 100mcg+ with no reports of GH gut. Granted I trust the AM.com members a hellava lot more than I do members on other boards.

[pudzian2]

Originally Posted by Travis

I think your original plan is very solid. While many on this board may not agree with the frequency or dosage I would say your okay even at 50mcg bi-lat 4 or 5 times/week. I personally have only pinned IGF for 2 weeks prior to an oral cycle (did 50mcg 4x/week), and I will run it again for 3 more weeks in an upcoming post cycle therapy at the same dosage.

Except for AM.com, most of the other user feedback I have read is done at much higher dosage (100mcg ED or even more) and the feedback has been pretty good with little complaints of sides. Its sort of a "use it to see how you react to it" kind of thing.

I know that Jomi was only using something like 30mcg and experienced some intestinal growth. I have seen other guys post logs of 100mcg+ with no reports of GH gut. Granted I trust the AM.com members a hellava lot more than I do members on other boards.

yea my gut (no pun intended) instinct is still telling me that my original plan is best for my particular situation. and for anyone else with a similar approach.

[Hank Vangut]

as said before lrIGF stays active and floating around in your system for up to 72hrs. so it's not necessary to pin daily.

seems that every day users of igf have reported diminishing returns after only a few weeks as receptor sites become resistant.

eod or e3d users have reported being able to prolong their use for a month or longer with continued benefit.

but i'm primarily an advocate of lower dose - longer use due to the cost alone. i can't afford to run the higher every day doses that some experiment wit