Igf-1 Lr3 Dosing Protocol Post Your Opinon\experience
09-08-2007 10:20 PM
hypothetically, if you were to run IGF-1 as a separate cycle, or as a pre-cycle to PH or steroid cycle, what's the likelihood that those new baby myoblast cells will survive and mature into adult muscle cells? i know this is why IGF is typically run in conjunction with an anabolic steroid cycle, b/c the steroids will mature the cells at an even faster rate
09-08-2007 10:47 PM
if gh gut exists.... does it? here's a quote from another forum... from a very VERY knowledgeable vet...
Originally Posted by Hank Vangut
"also i can tell you from firsthand knowledge that many pros never even used GH except for breifly precontest until ~ 99 or so, when the serostim kits started popping up all over the place so guys could start using an effective dose without going broke.
i had a friend who supplied alot of pros with their hGH back during the serostim boom and you would be amazed at the names of guys who had no idea how to even use the stuff because it was their first time and they never had a chance to run it before because it was simply cost prohibitive.
remember, to those guys who are pros, its a business, and why spend $4iu humatrope and increase the cost of their contest prep by 3-400% for a very small increase in results.
does anyone have any studies linking increased igf and intestinal growth???? i would think that would mean permanent growth that would remain even when they stop training... and from what ive seen that just is not the case....
when guys quit competing and get smaller, their "gh gut" usually shrinks in proportion as well and they end up looking like your bigger than average guy, like dorian.
that seems to support my theory that you can only get so big and pack so much muscle on your frame especially for guys like ronnie, markus etc.... your gonna add thickness everywhere including your midsection.... and the reason why ronnie still looks like he has a gut even though he is "lean" is due to the fact he is cramming so much size on his frame regardless of bodyfat.
basically, you have to draw your personal line in the sand as far as aesthetics/mass goes..... if you dont want the "gh gut" look, then dont do the things that are closely related to it or if you are, stop them.
one thing ive noticed is that gaining large amounts of mass over a few short blasts seems to cause GH gut as compared to gaining the same amount of muscle mass slowly over a longperiod"
10-02-2007 06:11 PM
very interesting. thanks for sharing NBE.
coming from a very knowledgeable vet it means something as i'm sure he has much more experience than i w/this stuff.
however, it is still just pure bro science.
fact is, there isn't much scientific data on the long term impact of igf supplementation use in humans. the real answer is "we don't know".
10-21-2007 06:39 PM
Even 40 mcg of LR3 EOD is more than enough to give outstanding gains, welll for me anyway.
Originally Posted by pudzian2
I take like 80-100 mcg bi lat after training then 40 mcg eod, i take with large doses of anabolic steroids and get outstanding size gains, last time i was on it i got 11 lbs every 2 weeks, i did 2 on 2 off with great success.
10-21-2007 07:20 PM
damn. thats an interesting dosing protocol. Obviously it really works for you.... it is something I will consider when I use IGF again..
Originally Posted by sikboy
10-23-2007 06:14 PM
Anyone like the idea of bridging AAS cycles with IGF-1 and the likes, Specifically IGF-1??
10-24-2007 07:42 AM
Bump. Lots of good stuff here. I've dosed at 20mcg post workout, 3days a week and noticed better gains down the road after about a month or two. Going for 40mcg post workout soon.
Feel better all around though while on, strange. Anyone else have this effect?
10-24-2007 10:42 AM
I actually feel better when I came off. When I was on I was a bit lethargic, and when my body was getting used to the IGF I felt a little nauseous at times. I was monitoring my blood sugar so it wasnt as if I was going crazy hypo but I definately felt the "insulin-like growth factor" effects. after a while though I didnt feel these things.
Originally Posted by Cordell
10-31-2007 12:48 AM
1.) WHY: Because I've tried it in almost every combination/dose you can think of!
2.) which method: 3X week
3.) what dose: 60 mcgs divided into 3 separate shots. 20 mcgs PWO, 20 mcgs following morning, 20 mcgs mid day!
4.) how long on: I've done 4 weeks; 6 weeks; 4 on 2 off 4 on; 3 months non-stop. 4 on 2 off worked best FOR ME!
5.) with anabolics: With AAS, HGH Insulin; w/ HGH & insulin and w/ Clomid; HCG, proviron PCT!
6.) results: Most noticeable results came when used in conjunction w/ AAS, GH, Slin! I was able to increase calories significantly w/out gaining any bodyfat!
11-01-2007 11:35 PM
the 4 On and 2 OFF seems like a good approach. I was thinking of using IGF-1 to bridge and use during "kickoff" and PCT for most of the time.
Originally Posted by STEEDA69
12-25-2007 01:50 AM
Can some one tell me the shelf life of un mixed/un opened sealed package of 7 vials of serono Serostim 6mg. The expiration date on the box is 04/02 but I was wondering if it was still potent enough to use since still sealed in box? Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
12-25-2007 09:02 PM
igf is meant to be used post workout no more than 3x a week. you should not expect to gain immediate muscle mass off igf. i read so many threads where people claim igf did nothing for them in their 4 week cycle. this is not true as it takes time for the cells you created to mature. all in all i feel it takes 6-9 months of proper eating and training for one to realize igf's full potential. the longer you are on the juice the faster easier it is for this to take place.
i came to this conclusion because after a cycle i used to drop down to about 220-224 after being around 235 "on". i did a igf lr3 cycle ( 4 weeker 40 mcg bi laterally on body part trained) and ran a long cycle which i got as high as 247. Now when i am off or cruising on low hrt doses i weigh around 230-233. i feel the igf is what add the permanent weight gain. i will know for sure as i plan to do this again soon.
12-26-2007 04:40 PM
i typically use 20mcg PWO with a combination of EOD or E3D (i have only run 1mg so far total and i weigh about 180-190lbs) depending on my workout schedule that week, i definately get noticable effects from this, subtle but noticable, one thing i recenlty noticed is that i was forced to take about a month straight off from the gym where i was working 14+ hours a day and eating garbage, and surprisingly i kept my size much much better then i ever have before during gaps in my training. it just seems that after running igf my bodies base weight that it is comfortable with is higher since i usually drop weight quite rapidly, i also find it great in that i can eat almost whatever i want when on IGF and it doesn't seem to go to fat. this next IGF cycle i'm going to run it with GHRP6 then take a few weeks break and run it with tren/test. so should be awesome
also seems like you should be able to take igf here and there whenever you want, as opposed to steroids where you obviously cant just take a shot whenever you want.
12-26-2007 07:51 PM
yea, but of course too much of it can lead to some sides. you can grow tissue in in the gut etc. Also I think after a while it downregulates GH production a bit. So cyclical regime would obviously be best with IGF-1. LIke you said tho, it makes it very attractive to use between cycles!
Originally Posted by neverstop
12-27-2007 01:08 PM
Originally Posted by pudzian2
yeah, thats why i only use 20-40mcg split up between 2 or four muscle groups, would rather go on the lower dose side with these experimental peptides.
i have been noticing lately that my sleep isn't as fulfilling/resting lately since i've been on IGF this time. i'm wondering if the IGF is suppressing my normal GH and messing with my sleep patterns, i'm still dreaming and all, it just seems like it takes later in my sleep to start dreaming (i wake up from dreams now after 7+ hours of sleep) and i dont feel very rested when i wake up. could be because i'm training harder now, but i thought it was interesting, i guess i'll find out when i throw some GHRP6 in the mix!
the stuff is great between cycles too, i hate that feeling that i'm "wasting my time" between cycles since progress goes back to normal, IGF helps deal with the mental ups and downs of cycles for me, even if i only pin twice a week at 20mcg it just makes it easier between cycles.
01-22-2008 01:25 AM
01-22-2008 07:35 AM
10mcg per day everyday for 3 months or so off cycle works well IMHO.
01-22-2008 11:06 AM
yea i'm looking to use less over a longer period of time. i was thinking about 20mcg mwf for an extended period of time
Originally Posted by datBtrue
01-22-2008 07:41 PM
I've tried a lot of dosing schemes including 20mcg E3D. I liked 20mcg E3D and found it continued to work for several months till I ran out of the vial.
Originally Posted by sfearl1
I think years ago Bobo felt he would get just as much out of 20mcg as 40mcg & said 20mcg would be his dosing scheme.
Dave Palumbo talks about 11mcg per day for 30 days w/ 2 weeks off then back on for 30days , off for 2 weeks and 30days on again.
The only downside is you will have to buy a box of 100 pins.
But seriously think about it...even 10mcg per day is going to more than double your normal IGF output. If you more than double your levels of IGF for 3 months it will have a consistent positive effect in building strength & some muscle or even preserving muscle on a diet.
People spend a lot of money on supplements just to get a small increase in IGF...they do heavy stretches under load, D.C. stretches etc. hoping to trigger a little more IGF release. So a vial of IGF-1 & a box of insulin pins is cost effective when you figure you will be able to maintain a higher level of IGF for a quarter of the year.
I've been using 10mcg IGF per day for the last 7 weeks. I've used small doses of Nettle Root (250mg taken 3 times per day) to slightly increase my free test. Plenty of BCCAs...but nothing hormonal. I've made very good gains in strength over that time (50+ pounds on my deadlift) and I've been lifting for 20+ years so there are no longer "easy" gains to be had.
So I give low dosing schemes
01-27-2008 03:50 PM
I agree with DatBtrue. I think that less over a longer period of time is not only 'healthier', but considerably more efficient and will yield a better net result.
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