[NewbeeGuy]

Can some one tell me the shelf life of un mixed/un opened sealed package of 7 vials of serono Serostim 6mg. The expiration date on the box is 04/02 but I was wondering if it was still potent enough to use since still sealed in box? Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

[ripped22]

igf is meant to be used post workout no more than 3x a week. you should not expect to gain immediate muscle mass off igf. i read so many threads where people claim igf did nothing for them in their 4 week cycle. this is not true as it takes time for the cells you created to mature. all in all i feel it takes 6-9 months of proper eating and training for one to realize igf's full potential. the longer you are on the juice the faster easier it is for this to take place.

i came to this conclusion because after a cycle i used to drop down to about 220-224 after being around 235 "on". i did a igf lr3 cycle ( 4 weeker 40 mcg bi laterally on body part trained) and ran a long cycle which i got as high as 247. Now when i am off or cruising on low hrt doses i weigh around 230-233. i feel the igf is what add the permanent weight gain. i will know for sure as i plan to do this again soon.

[neverstop]

i typically use 20mcg PWO with a combination of EOD or E3D (i have only run 1mg so far total and i weigh about 180-190lbs) depending on my workout schedule that week, i definately get noticable effects from this, subtle but noticable, one thing i recenlty noticed is that i was forced to take about a month straight off from the gym where i was working 14+ hours a day and eating garbage, and surprisingly i kept my size much much better then i ever have before during gaps in my training. it just seems that after running igf my bodies base weight that it is comfortable with is higher since i usually drop weight quite rapidly, i also find it great in that i can eat almost whatever i want when on IGF and it doesn't seem to go to fat. this next IGF cycle i'm going to run it with GHRP6 then take a few weeks break and run it with tren/test. so should be awesome

also seems like you should be able to take igf here and there whenever you want, as opposed to steroids where you obviously cant just take a shot whenever you want.

[pudzian2]

Originally Posted by neverstop

i typically use 20mcg PWO with a combination of EOD or E3D (i have only run 1mg so far total and i weigh about 180-190lbs) depending on my workout schedule that week, i definately get noticable effects from this, subtle but noticable, one thing i recenlty noticed is that i was forced to take about a month straight off from the gym where i was working 14+ hours a day and eating garbage, and surprisingly i kept my size much much better then i ever have before during gaps in my training. it just seems that after running igf my bodies base weight that it is comfortable with is higher since i usually drop weight quite rapidly, i also find it great in that i can eat almost whatever i want when on IGF and it doesn't seem to go to fat. this next IGF cycle i'm going to run it with GHRP6 then take a few weeks break and run it with tren/test. so should be awesome

also seems like you should be able to take igf here and there whenever you want, as opposed to steroids where you obviously cant just take a shot whenever you want.

yea, but of course too much of it can lead to some sides. you can grow tissue in in the gut etc. Also I think after a while it downregulates GH production a bit. So cyclical regime would obviously be best with IGF-1. LIke you said tho, it makes it very attractive to use between cycles!

[neverstop]

Originally Posted by pudzian2

yea, but of course too much of it can lead to some sides. you can grow tissue in in the gut etc. Also I think after a while it downregulates GH production a bit. So cyclical regime would obviously be best with IGF-1. LIke you said tho, it makes it very attractive to use between cycles!

yeah, thats why i only use 20-40mcg split up between 2 or four muscle groups, would rather go on the lower dose side with these experimental peptides.

i have been noticing lately that my sleep isn't as fulfilling/resting lately since i've been on IGF this time. i'm wondering if the IGF is suppressing my normal GH and messing with my sleep patterns, i'm still dreaming and all, it just seems like it takes later in my sleep to start dreaming (i wake up from dreams now after 7+ hours of sleep) and i dont feel very rested when i wake up. could be because i'm training harder now, but i thought it was interesting, i guess i'll find out when i throw some GHRP6 in the mix!

the stuff is great between cycles too, i hate that feeling that i'm "wasting my time" between cycles since progress goes back to normal, IGF helps deal with the mental ups and downs of cycles for me, even if i only pin twice a week at 20mcg it just makes it easier between cycles.

[sfearl1]

b u m p

[datBtrue]

10mcg per day everyday for 3 months or so off cycle works well IMHO.

[sfearl1]

Originally Posted by datBtrue

10mcg per day everyday for 3 months or so off cycle works well IMHO.

yea i'm looking to use less over a longer period of time. i was thinking about 20mcg mwf for an extended period of time

[datBtrue]

Originally Posted by sfearl1

yea i'm looking to use less over a longer period of time. i was thinking about 20mcg mwf for an extended period of time

I've tried a lot of dosing schemes including 20mcg E3D. I liked 20mcg E3D and found it continued to work for several months till I ran out of the vial.

I think years ago Bobo felt he would get just as much out of 20mcg as 40mcg & said 20mcg would be his dosing scheme.

Dave Palumbo talks about 11mcg per day for 30 days w/ 2 weeks off then back on for 30days , off for 2 weeks and 30days on again.

The only downside is you will have to buy a box of 100 pins.

But seriously think about it...even 10mcg per day is going to more than double your normal IGF output. If you more than double your levels of IGF for 3 months it will have a consistent positive effect in building strength & some muscle or even preserving muscle on a diet.

People spend a lot of money on supplements just to get a small increase in IGF...they do heavy stretches under load, D.C. stretches etc. hoping to trigger a little more IGF release. So a vial of IGF-1 & a box of insulin pins is cost effective when you figure you will be able to maintain a higher level of IGF for a quarter of the year.

I've been using 10mcg IGF per day for the last 7 weeks. I've used small doses of Nettle Root (250mg taken 3 times per day) to slightly increase my free test. Plenty of BCCAs...but nothing hormonal. I've made very good gains in strength over that time (50+ pounds on my deadlift) and I've been lifting for 20+ years so there are no longer "easy" gains to be had.

So I give low dosing schemes

[pudzian2]

I agree with DatBtrue. I think that less over a longer period of time is not only 'healthier', but considerably more efficient and will yield a better net result.

[pudzian2]

btw. I think I am going to try the 20mcg EOD for about 4 weeks on 2 off and then continue from there. I may change the dosing regime If I feel necessary. I mean, I would rather use less IGF-1 (meaning not shooting a consistent excess and wasting money) over a longer period of time and be on a positive progress schedule.

not to mention I like IGF-1 for its connective tissue repair abilities, so having some extra IGF-1 floating around more consistently throughout the year would be better than the ups and downs of higher doses over shorter periods of time.

[datBtrue]

Originally Posted by pudzian2

btw. I think I am going to try the 20mcg EOD for about 4 weeks on 2 off and then continue from there. I may change the dosing regime If I feel necessary. I mean, I would rather use less IGF-1 (meaning not shooting a consistent excess and wasting money) over a longer period of time and be on a positive progress schedule.

not to mention I like IGF-1 for its connective tissue repair abilities, so having some extra IGF-1 floating around more consistently throughout the year would be better than the ups and downs of higher doses over shorter periods of time.

It sounds like a good plan...and I've pretty much settled into this type of dosing.

The results of my IGF-1 LR3 + Insulin (both on & off cycle) experiments were disappointing. There wasn't the synergy I was hoping for. It doesn't appear that IGF-slin works the same as HGH-slin.

[pudzian2]

that may be becuase increases in IGF-1 (from using IGF-1 standalone instead of the increases in IGF-1 from HGH use), doesnt inhibit insulin sensitivity/production the way that HGH does.

The only thing I like about slin OFF cycle is that it is a strong anti-catabolic and may promote (when used IGF-1 and other anti-catabolics / anabolics) some slight growth instead of just flirting with muscle preservation.

[CryingEmo]

If IGF-1 is active for 72 hours, then why not use more of a E3D dosing scheme? That is what is recommended in Grunt's thread.

I believe the most common dosing I've seen is 40 mcg E3D bi-laterally 5 minutes PWO into the muscles just worked.

[pudzian2]

Originally Posted by CryingEmo

If IGF-1 is active for 72 hours, then why not use more of a E3D dosing scheme? That is what is recommended in Grunt's thread.

I believe the most common dosing I've seen is 40 mcg E3D bi-laterally 5 minutes PWO into the muscles just worked.

True, but I think Im going to try and see. Right now Im trying the 20mcg EOD method. Im sure I will try the 40mcg E3D at some point.