I have a huge thread about this,just do a search,dosing is riduculous and at this time this stuff can only be purchased in ul's...which is a seriously small amount...at this time it would litterally take $100,000 for a weak,possibly non productive cycle,possibly enough to be productive on a 1/2 oz. mouse...but nowhere near enough for a human...now the my0-029 on the other hand is actually doable...its still really high $2,000/mg...and to really do it right you would want g's,not just mg's...but possibly could see results from a few mg's..its just an expensive assumption...which noone seems to wanna whip out the cash,although many feel like Coleman/Cutler and a few others who have really pulled ahead of the crowd have been using this stuff for the last few years and is part of the reason...