IGF-1 worth it?
- 03-24-2008, 09:05 AM
the original study with IGF-1 (not LR3 version) in mice proved hyperplasia, after they dissected the infused muscles and counted the number of fibres so im still with the belief it does but as I said im of the thinking that LR3 becomes systemic and hence we are not seeing these effects.
- 03-24-2008, 09:42 AM
03-24-2008, 10:42 AM
with mgf im just not sure yet but ive heard more positive results from the non-peg version. maybe pegylation has altered the peptide too greatly? i know 2 people very well that have made incredible site specific growth to their biceps, tris and delts with regular mgf. I mean freaky size differences in the space of a few months so my money is on that form.
hgh im unsure of with hyperplasia but certainly hypertrophy and fat loss make it very worthwhile imo.
03-29-2008, 10:39 AM
03-29-2008, 10:49 AM
03-29-2008, 01:02 PM
03-29-2008, 07:58 PM
03-29-2008, 08:18 PM
thats the 6 million dollar question i guess. it can be argued both ways. but Grunt makes a strong point in the usefullness of LR3 which is hard to argue against.
i have seen localised growth from LR3, I cant say yet if its hyperplasia though I will surely find out,by seeing how much muscle i retain, when I cant train for the 4 month period following my pec repair in June this year.
03-29-2008, 11:29 PM
03-30-2008, 02:33 AM
03-30-2008, 06:00 AM
04-02-2008, 07:22 PM
04-03-2008, 03:28 PM
04-05-2008, 07:30 PM
I think at $100/mg for good quality IGF-1 the stuff is dirt cheap for what it does. At $200/mg it becomes arguable and at $300/mg you have to be stinking rich for it to be worth your while.
For me the breaking point is $150/mg.
04-05-2008, 09:44 PM
04-09-2008, 03:44 PM
04-09-2008, 03:46 PM
EPA blocks excessive muscle breakdown by reducing the activity of the major biochemical pathway that results in the destruction of muscle protein and loss of muscle mass. Regular use of EPA may help prevent excessive muscle protein breakdown during heavy training programs.
Secondly, although inflammation is an essential part of immune activation, excessive inflammation produced by intense exercise can result in poor recovery, chronic joint pain and muscle loss. By reducing excess inflammation within muscle and connective tissue will provide the athlete with a big head start in terms of recovery from exercise. EPA is particularly effective at doing this.
EPA is essential to the manufacture of an entire series of prostaglandins (short lived muscle growth factors), that work to reduce muscle inflammation. A rich source of EPA in the diet helps to reduce inflammation. This means faster recovery and a greater anabolic effect from training.
Finally, EPA helps to build a bigger, leaner physique by promoting insulin sensitivity in muscle. Insulin is a key transporter of nutrients into cells. Efficient insulin metabolism is the cornerstone of building a lean, healthy, physique. High dose EPA promotes an insulin-sensitizing effect in tissue, even in healthy people that do not have diabetes. That means more calories are directed towards lean tissue for recovery and growth while less calories are stored as body fat.
04-10-2008, 07:59 AM
04-10-2008, 10:05 AM
06-10-2008, 11:19 AM
06-10-2008, 01:45 PM
Your results are surprising considering it's been 2 weeks and you haven't seen anything. My protocol is the same as yours, and weight is up 9lbs by day 11.
I am not sure what others have experienced by week 2, but let's not forget this is a substance designed for longer-term results.
Can anyone else comment on Tshaw's lack of results thus far?
08-04-2008, 12:09 PM
insulin LIKE !
Iam commenting in the reply that said random blood sugar crashes. I used humulin R and I ll have to say that I would have random blood sugar drops even days later. oral prohormones or hormones whatever like methyl one d always seemed to make it more frequent. My theory is that once the body gets used to accepting more carbs into the cell, once you get a little used to that, it seems like even when your not taking slin or IGF 1 (IVE never done it) the muscles still are able to suck up carbs like crazy and leave you depleated. I guess this is what occurs in NORMAL people like us using this stuff for gains. Ive also heard that igf 1 had some ho hum results but the r3 version guys gained alot.
Ive got about 120ius of growth, how would you incorporate igf1 r3 use with the GH? Iam plannning on doing those in between cycles of steroids.
08-13-2008, 05:25 AM
08-27-2008, 01:15 PM
08-30-2008, 02:38 AM
Does any one on here that has taken igf1 notice any negative feed back from it. as in it shuts down your bodys natual suply of it or it shuts you down from making hgh?
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