[djbombsquad]

Originally Posted by agent8

Where did you hear that EPA is as good as IGF-1. If that's true I should be injecting fish oil.

The capacity of EPA to block excessive muscle protein breakdown is powerful; it’s anti-catabolic effects are shown to be even more potent than IGF-1. What a lot of bodybuilders don’t realize is that their muscles produce a specific form of IGF in response to heavy weight training. As far as fish oil you can google it I am sure. I can't seem to find the study right now.

[djbombsquad]

EPA blocks excessive muscle breakdown by reducing the activity of the major biochemical pathway that results in the destruction of muscle protein and loss of muscle mass. Regular use of EPA may help prevent excessive muscle protein breakdown during heavy training programs.

Secondly, although inflammation is an essential part of immune activation, excessive inflammation produced by intense exercise can result in poor recovery, chronic joint pain and muscle loss. By reducing excess inflammation within muscle and connective tissue will provide the athlete with a big head start in terms of recovery from exercise. EPA is particularly effective at doing this.

EPA is essential to the manufacture of an entire series of prostaglandins (short lived muscle growth factors), that work to reduce muscle inflammation. A rich source of EPA in the diet helps to reduce inflammation. This means faster recovery and a greater anabolic effect from training.

Finally, EPA helps to build a bigger, leaner physique by promoting insulin sensitivity in muscle. Insulin is a key transporter of nutrients into cells. Efficient insulin metabolism is the cornerstone of building a lean, healthy, physique. High dose EPA promotes an insulin-sensitizing effect in tissue, even in healthy people that do not have diabetes. That means more calories are directed towards lean tissue for recovery and growth while less calories are stored as body fat.

[pumbertot]

Originally Posted by djbombsquad

The capacity of EPA to block excessive muscle protein breakdown is powerful; it’s anti-catabolic effects are shown to be even more potent than IGF-1. What a lot of bodybuilders don’t realize is that their muscles produce a specific form of IGF in response to heavy weight training. As far as fish oil you can google it I am sure. I can't seem to find the study right now.

i think you are smoking too much crack if you think EPA will build muscle better than IGF-1.

[Grunt76]

Originally Posted by pumbertot

i think you are smoking too much crack if you think EPA will build muscle better than IGF-1.

ROFL I so agree...

Another comparison is r-ALA, an incredible antioxidant and nutrient partitioner on its own, but comes nowhere near what IGF-1 does for you...

[tshaw024]

Originally Posted by curqleez

Not worht the risk. I have heard of brain tumors caused by igf.

I have been using IGF-1 LR3 for a little over 2 weeks now. 40 mcg bilaterally immediately pw. I have had absolutely no results besides serious lethargy. I'm so damn tired it's ridiculous, no stamina or endurance whatsoever. Other than that my appetite has not changed, no fat loss, and certainly no lean mass.

[papapumpsd]

Originally Posted by tshaw024

I have been using IGF-1 LR3 for a little over 2 weeks now. 40 mcg bilaterally immediately pw. I have had absolutely no results besides serious lethargy. I'm so damn tired it's ridiculous, no stamina or endurance whatsoever. Other than that my appetite has not changed, no fat loss, and certainly no lean mass.

Tshaw, how is your diet? You reconned in acetic acid?

Your results are surprising considering it's been 2 weeks and you haven't seen anything. My protocol is the same as yours, and weight is up 9lbs by day 11.

I am not sure what others have experienced by week 2, but let's not forget this is a substance designed for longer-term results.

Can anyone else comment on Tshaw's lack of results thus far?

[Pirate Grim]

Iam commenting in the reply that said random blood sugar crashes. I used humulin R and I ll have to say that I would have random blood sugar drops even days later. oral prohormones or hormones whatever like methyl one d always seemed to make it more frequent. My theory is that once the body gets used to accepting more carbs into the cell, once you get a little used to that, it seems like even when your not taking slin or IGF 1 (IVE never done it) the muscles still are able to suck up carbs like crazy and leave you depleated. I guess this is what occurs in NORMAL people like us using this stuff for gains. Ive also heard that igf 1 had some ho hum results but the r3 version guys gained alot.

Ive got about 120ius of growth, how would you incorporate igf1 r3 use with the GH? Iam plannning on doing those in between cycles of steroids.

[pumbertot]

Originally Posted by Pirate Grim

Iam commenting in the reply that said random blood sugar crashes. I used humulin R and I ll have to say that I would have random blood sugar drops even days later. oral prohormones or hormones whatever like methyl one d always seemed to make it more frequent. My theory is that once the body gets used to accepting more carbs into the cell, once you get a little used to that, it seems like even when your not taking slin or IGF 1 (IVE never done it) the muscles still are able to suck up carbs like crazy and leave you depleated. I guess this is what occurs in NORMAL people like us using this stuff for gains. Ive also heard that igf 1 had some ho hum results but the r3 version guys gained alot.

Ive got about 120ius of growth, how would you incorporate igf1 r3 use with the GH? Iam plannning on doing those in between cycles of steroids.

pin both immediately pwo into muscle trained along with some slin. localised growth is enhanced. receptors for all are upregulated immediately pwo.

[Grunt76]

Originally Posted by papapumpsd

Tshaw, how is your diet? You reconned in acetic acid?

Your results are surprising considering it's been 2 weeks and you haven't seen anything. My protocol is the same as yours, and weight is up 9lbs by day 11.

I am not sure what others have experienced by week 2, but let's not forget this is a substance designed for longer-term results.

Can anyone else comment on Tshaw's lack of results thus far?

I would opine that food intake is lacking in his case, or his product is bunk.

[Buffgammaman]

Does any one on here that has taken igf1 notice any negative feed back from it. as in it shuts down your bodys natual suply of it or it shuts you down from making hgh?