IGF-1 worth it?
- 01-22-2008, 05:11 PM
- 01-22-2008, 09:06 PM
I have seen and used quite a bit of igf over the past couple of years. I miss the pre-ORD days fo sho!
I have used GroPep and generic chinese. I do think the GroPep was better but I have seen (not ran) 97-98% chinese igf that I would say would be very close to GroPep.
Igf is a great peptide but I do get tired of the lethargy.
01-23-2008, 09:39 AM
01-23-2008, 09:48 AM
01-23-2008, 11:30 AM
01-23-2008, 11:52 AM
01-23-2008, 08:31 PM
Nothing has pointed to IGF CAUSING such a thing. That's like people accusing steroids for hair loss. If your predisposed for it the process just speeds up.
01-23-2008, 11:11 PM
01-24-2008, 09:14 AM
01-28-2008, 09:43 AM
01-28-2008, 11:28 AM
02-03-2008, 12:54 AM
02-12-2008, 07:55 AM
as long as you have good igf and use enough it is well worth it. i have used it many of times and loved the results. i know alot of people that are cheap and try to get away with shooting 40mcgs a day so they dont have to buy 2 or 3 bottles and then wonder why they are not having good results. 50mcgs shot twice a day works great for me
03-24-2008, 03:50 AM
i voted yes. im now opening my mind to the notion, that many others have, that good old IGF-1 injected several times a day is better than LR3 because it stays site specific and does not go systemic. After this next course im doing(mgf+lr3 igf-1) im going to do an mgf+igf-1(non lr3) to compare the difference and see if there is any site specific growth.
for the same reasons I also feel that regular mgf injections may be more effective than less frequent peg-MGF ones.
I dont mind being a pin cushion, a few years back I did a long pgf2a course, nothing will ever compare to how bad that **** makes you feel. lol on my first day I really believed I was going to be found dead on the ****ter.
03-24-2008, 08:50 AM
I have been reading on another forum that IGF DOES NOT cause hyperplasia and its main intent is for muscle hypertrophy. I reading the debate as it goes on but any more info showing IGF does or does not cause hyperplasia would be a great benefit, because if it does not cause hyperplasia then I would feel it is useless for that is the only reason I would take it for.
03-24-2008, 09:05 AM
the original study with IGF-1 (not LR3 version) in mice proved hyperplasia, after they dissected the infused muscles and counted the number of fibres so im still with the belief it does but as I said im of the thinking that LR3 becomes systemic and hence we are not seeing these effects.
03-24-2008, 09:42 AM
03-24-2008, 10:42 AM
with mgf im just not sure yet but ive heard more positive results from the non-peg version. maybe pegylation has altered the peptide too greatly? i know 2 people very well that have made incredible site specific growth to their biceps, tris and delts with regular mgf. I mean freaky size differences in the space of a few months so my money is on that form.
hgh im unsure of with hyperplasia but certainly hypertrophy and fat loss make it very worthwhile imo.
03-29-2008, 10:39 AM
03-29-2008, 10:49 AM
03-29-2008, 01:02 PM
03-29-2008, 07:58 PM
03-29-2008, 08:18 PM
thats the 6 million dollar question i guess. it can be argued both ways. but Grunt makes a strong point in the usefullness of LR3 which is hard to argue against.
i have seen localised growth from LR3, I cant say yet if its hyperplasia though I will surely find out,by seeing how much muscle i retain, when I cant train for the 4 month period following my pec repair in June this year.
03-29-2008, 11:29 PM
03-30-2008, 02:33 AM
03-30-2008, 06:00 AM
04-02-2008, 07:22 PM
04-03-2008, 03:28 PM
04-05-2008, 07:30 PM
I think at $100/mg for good quality IGF-1 the stuff is dirt cheap for what it does. At $200/mg it becomes arguable and at $300/mg you have to be stinking rich for it to be worth your while.
For me the breaking point is $150/mg.
04-05-2008, 09:44 PM
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