the difference in doses makes a huge difference for me in media grade. Gavin Kane SWEARS receptor grade is 3x stronger and while he may not be a pure scientist like PA, he is a smart guy...
For receptor I notice MUCH more at 80mcg post workout 3 times a week. Because I only workout 3 times a week I am sure some of the "over flow" hits the other muscle groups I worked that day as well.
My approach is different. I like small doses of 20mcg (split 10mcg bi-laterally) for long runs. It is a slow drip approach which works well for me and enhances my physique in noticable 3 month chunks (as opposed to seeing results right away).
In PCT I'll dose 20mcg everyday even when there is no workout. Nonworkout days my only constant is to take it before a meal with a solid amount of carbs.
An example of a low dose everyday potocol is Dave Palumbo's:
11 micrograms per day for 30 days (cycle 1) 333 micrograms
2 weeks OFF
11 micrograms per day for 30 days (cycle 2) 333 micrograms
2 weeks OFF
11 micrograms per day for 30 days (cycle 3) 333 micrograms
8 weeks OFF
So why is that protocol working? A. L. Rea has written that insulin shuttles only some amino acids into muscle and that GH shuttles the rest of the amino acid profile. This is suppose to account for the growth that guys are witnessing. But my very limited research indicates that insulin is capable of shuttling all the aminos except Tryptophan...so who knows.
The GH is reducing insulins ability to shuttle into fat cells and the insulin is reducing the side-effects from the GH.
My question is does administering IGF-1 LR3 and insulin together PWO during a steroid cycle create any synergy? I don't know but I am experimenting in part because I have no GH to experiment with at the moment.
I do know that it takes a lot of nutrients to "grow" out those sat cells and insulin really pushes those nutrients so there may be a benefit. It is to early to tell...however recovery & strength are up as a result of the combo...
So what is the best use of IGF-1 by itself?
I believe that it is indespensible for PCT. The reason appears to be that it increases Follicle-Stimulating Hormone (FSH) and Gonadotropin-Releasing Hormone which further stimulates FSH.
I do believe that you will get some site specific enhancement that will show up down the road. I once did a low dose cycle of IGF-1 and injected mainly in the forearms...I witnessed increased veins that are present still almost a year later & within 5 months I noticed some strength and size gains.
with all that said i think you HAVE to use this drug immediately after working out 15-30 min or else you miss out.
He got 50 mcgs bilaterally for 6 weeks during pct. Other than lethargy and a noticeable metabolic advantage :burg: , his frame looked the same. Although, results with IGF use may not manifest during the cycle.
I will give him another round of treatment with some epi, next year .
wassup marc anthony? how is j-lo doing these days? you are a lucky man!
They say a high dose of EPA is as good as IGF ; its anti-catabolic effects are shown to be even more potent than IGF-1 from what I understand. Id go with GHRP6 and MGF.
It has been worth it from my one cycle with it. The cycle was not run very well, I did the IGF every day and in retrospect I realize this was a waste and unnecessarily shut down natural production.
This time I'm running it 4 days a week (immediately PWO) and going to keep going for 5-6 weeks at 30-40mcg split bilat.
I'll also be dove tailing (ie the last 1-2 weeks will be concurrent) with GHRP-6 and Hexaralin each at 100-150mcg a night (together sub Q). I'll run that for 2-4 weeks or whatever my finances allow.
I would love to find a cheap source for Hexaralin (hint hint!).
I'll be sure to report on my experience, peace ya'll!
Effects are seemingly much less when using this generic Chinese crap as opposed to the GroPep.
No surprise there. Good ol GroPep
Not worht the risk. I have heard of brain tumors caused by igf.