Poll: is IGF-1 worth it? price to benefiets?

IGF-1 worth it?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by thrilla59 View Post
    does this stuff have the same effects as what the life sciences researchers use? i am talking about what the mr's and ag's type outfits sells over the internet (or the joe blow hush mail sellers that claim 97% pure product)?if not then how can these so call peptides work as good as users report? and can you always trust the quality of some chinese powders now a days? i have read from a few bb sites,word searched, i even brought some gh frag and used it for about 8 wks myself with no noticable results. how can anybody prove that this stuff works?
    You gotta go on reputation. I can tell you this, Carlito's receptor grade is top notch and you WILL get results. I've used various IGF from around the block and you have to get teh best stuff. Also, I strongly believe you have to go with 80-100mcg per day and then it starts kicking.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by not_big_enuf View Post
    You gotta go on reputation. I can tell you this, Carlito's receptor grade is top notch and you WILL get results. I've used various IGF from around the block and you have to get teh best stuff. Also, I strongly believe you have to go with 80-100mcg per day and then it starts kicking.
    what exactly do you experience with that higher level of administration? If 50mcg E3D or even ED isn't effective enough why do many people get results from it? Are you speaking in terms of fat loss or in terms of muscular hypertrophy?
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by gotripped View Post
    what exactly do you experience with that higher level of administration? If 50mcg E3D or even ED isn't effective enough why do many people get results from it? Are you speaking in terms of fat loss or in terms of muscular hypertrophy?
    First and foremost, the source is primary. 50mcg should be enough for results IF the product is good/legit. For noticeable gains in LBM, I frankly don't notice too much until I push that 60mcg limit. For me, and many others, 80 seems to be the sweet spot. Granted much of the benefit LBM-wise isn't seen until 2-3 months down the road when those new cells have matured, but I see a noticeable difference in immediate growth from a slightly higher dose.
  4. LR3-IGF-1 is it really worth it in it's available from?


    Quote Originally Posted by not_big_enuf View Post
    First and foremost, the source is primary. 50mcg should be enough for results IF the product is good/legit. For noticeable gains in LBM, I frankly don't notice too much until I push that 60mcg limit. For me, and many others, 80 seems to be the sweet spot. Granted much of the benefit LBM-wise isn't seen until 2-3 months down the road when those new cells have matured, but I see a noticeable difference in immediate growth from a slightly higher dose.
    this is just a little sometime that i copied from meso rx this is from an previous article quote: "It is also not as expensive since a media grade version is available which is sufficient for bodybuilding use. There is also a receptor grade available but it is VERY expensive and the only noticeable difference between the two would only be able to be noticed in a laboratory setting. The price on the black market for Long R3 IGF-1 can be seen anywhere from $300-$500 per milligram depending on the source, be wary of black market dealers of any IGF since it is a VERY difficult item to obtain. As mentioned IGF is a research product and is only available from a few laboratories in the world and is only available to research companies and biotechnology institutions. For the rest of this article when I say IGF I am now referring to Long R3 IGF-1 for simplicity sake." dude i want to BELIEVE in the good science behind this stuff i want to believe in all of the google searches, bb'ng forums and advanced discussions on other popular bb'ng sites. i have even viewed overseas sources i have been very interested in this peptide since 2003
    this stuff is more for the I-lite(elite) megabucks baller athletes then for the body building enthusis like most of us, all i can say is that i am hopeful but skeptical that oneday beyond any doubt in my mind That LR3 IGF-1 WILL TAKE ME THERE i guess i need more convincing thats all.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by thrilla59 View Post
    this is just a little sometime that i copied from meso rx this is from an previous article quote: "It is also not as expensive since a media grade version is available which is sufficient for bodybuilding use. There is also a receptor grade available but it is VERY expensive and the only noticeable difference between the two would only be able to be noticed in a laboratory setting. The price on the black market for Long R3 IGF-1 can be seen anywhere from $300-$500 per milligram depending on the source, be wary of black market dealers of any IGF since it is a VERY difficult item to obtain. As mentioned IGF is a research product and is only available from a few laboratories in the world and is only available to research companies and biotechnology institutions. For the rest of this article when I say IGF I am now referring to Long R3 IGF-1 for simplicity sake." dude i want to BELIEVE in the good science behind this stuff i want to believe in all of the google searches, bb'ng forums and advanced discussions on other popular bb'ng sites. i have even viewed overseas sources i have been very interested in this peptide since 2003
    this stuff is more for the I-lite(elite) megabucks baller athletes then for the body building enthusis like most of us, all i can say is that i am hopeful but skeptical that oneday beyond any doubt in my mind That LR3 IGF-1 WILL TAKE ME THERE i guess i need more convincing thats all.

    if u get legit IGF, it works, period. AND YOU KNOW IT. if your IGF is legit, you're extremely hungry and can/may go hypo. the other stuff... whether it be low quality or bunk altogether, you don't get those sides with.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by not_big_enuf View Post
    if u get legit IGF, it works, period. AND YOU KNOW IT. if your IGF is legit, you're extremely hungry and can/may go hypo. the other stuff... whether it be low quality or bunk altogether, you don't get those sides with.

    Chech your pm's, I really have had none of those side effects on IGF and I was kind of expecting more, I am begining to believe that maybe it is a poor quality.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by pistonpump View Post
    i was wondering about the receptor grade or media grade as well.....
    Bump to the question
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  8. Igf-1 is going to work best when stacked with anabolics the obvious choice is test, i've only used Oratropin which i LOVED and will most definitely use again, but i also want to try the injectable and do 40mcg eod for 20 weeks. Good info on igf-1 over at professionalmuscle, eod seems to be the way to go you use less and it stays effective, guys have run it as long as 20 weeks with consistant gains.

  9. id just like to bump this up again. Thing is i just bought some receptor grade from a reputable source and i was wondering if the receptor grade has a noticable difference from media grade as far as the user can tell. Ill be able to answer this poll in a month or so

  10. Quote Originally Posted by pistonpump View Post
    id just like to bump this up again. Thing is i just bought some receptor grade from a reputable source and i was wondering if the receptor grade has a noticable difference from media grade as far as the user can tell. Ill be able to answer this poll in a month or so
    GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!!!
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by not_big_enuf View Post
    GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!!!
    Thanks alot....we shall see.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by pistonpump View Post
    Thanks alot....we shall see.
    I am currently using media grade...I'll pry try receptor grade next time. Even though I have seen some good user feedback on certain media grade IGF.

  13. the difference in doses makes a huge difference for me in media grade. Gavin Kane SWEARS receptor grade is 3x stronger and while he may not be a pure scientist like PA, he is a smart guy...

    For receptor I notice MUCH more at 80mcg post workout 3 times a week. Because I only workout 3 times a week I am sure some of the "over flow" hits the other muscle groups I worked that day as well.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by justreading View Post
    the difference in doses makes a huge difference for me in media grade. Gavin Kane SWEARS receptor grade is 3x stronger and while he may not be a pure scientist like PA, he is a smart guy...

    For receptor I notice MUCH more at 80mcg post workout 3 times a week. Because I only workout 3 times a week I am sure some of the "over flow" hits the other muscle groups I worked that day as well.
    I swear it's much better too... however, maybe we're just on crack........

  15. My approach is different. I like small doses of 20mcg (split 10mcg bi-laterally) for long runs. It is a slow drip approach which works well for me and enhances my physique in noticable 3 month chunks (as opposed to seeing results right away).

  16. Quote Originally Posted by datBtrue View Post
    My approach is different. I like small doses of 20mcg (split 10mcg bi-laterally) for long runs. It is a slow drip approach which works well for me and enhances my physique in noticable 3 month chunks (as opposed to seeing results right away).
    you use that dose everyday even on non workout days? on non workout days when would you dose?

  17. Quote Originally Posted by pistonpump View Post
    you use that dose everyday even on non workout days? on non workout days when would you dose?
    On cycle I'll use it EOD but only on workout days PWO. If I use slin I'll up the IGF-1 dose to 40mcg split bilaterally PWO taken concurrent w/ the slin.

    In PCT I'll dose 20mcg everyday even when there is no workout. Nonworkout days my only constant is to take it before a meal with a solid amount of carbs.

    An example of a low dose everyday potocol is Dave Palumbo's:

    11 micrograms per day for 30 days (cycle 1) 333 micrograms

    2 weeks OFF

    11 micrograms per day for 30 days (cycle 2) 333 micrograms

    2 weeks OFF

    11 micrograms per day for 30 days (cycle 3) 333 micrograms

    8 weeks OFF

  18. Quote Originally Posted by datBtrue View Post
    On cycle I'll use it EOD but only on workout days PWO. If I use slin I'll up the IGF-1 dose to 40mcg split bilaterally PWO taken concurrent w/ the slin.

    In post cycle therapy I'll dose 20mcg everyday even when there is no workout. Nonworkout days my only constant is to take it before a meal with a solid amount of carbs.
    okay so there is no real advantage of taking at night or day? Im not sure if i can say that the igf is worth over a bill yet, it has helped me keep my cycle weight during PCT but i dont see any spot enhancement that i can tell yet. I guess ill have to see down the road.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by pistonpump View Post
    okay so there is no real advantage of taking at night or day? Im not sure if i can say that the igf is worth over a bill yet, it has helped me keep my cycle weight during post cycle therapy but i dont see any spot enhancement that i can tell yet. I guess ill have to see down the road.
    I agree w/ what you have said. There is a lot of anectdotal evidence coming in that a high dose of GH (8iu+) and insulin (8iu+) injected together PWO on a steroid cycle does produce substantial strength and mass gains. There is talk from respected members of the community that site specific benefits are to be had.

    So why is that protocol working? A. L. Rea has written that insulin shuttles only some amino acids into muscle and that GH shuttles the rest of the amino acid profile. This is suppose to account for the growth that guys are witnessing. But my very limited research indicates that insulin is capable of shuttling all the aminos except Tryptophan...so who knows.

    The GH is reducing insulins ability to shuttle into fat cells and the insulin is reducing the side-effects from the GH.

    My question is does administering IGF-1 LR3 and insulin together PWO during a steroid cycle create any synergy? I don't know but I am experimenting in part because I have no GH to experiment with at the moment.

    I do know that it takes a lot of nutrients to "grow" out those sat cells and insulin really pushes those nutrients so there may be a benefit. It is to early to tell...however recovery & strength are up as a result of the combo...

    So what is the best use of IGF-1 by itself?

    I believe that it is indespensible for PCT. The reason appears to be that it increases Follicle-Stimulating Hormone (FSH) and Gonadotropin-Releasing Hormone which further stimulates FSH.

    I do believe that you will get some site specific enhancement that will show up down the road. I once did a low dose cycle of IGF-1 and injected mainly in the forearms...I witnessed increased veins that are present still almost a year later & within 5 months I noticed some strength and size gains.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by justreading View Post
    I really think it is worth it for one main reason. When I am on it I honestly don't notice much and I really dont buy into the localized growth aspect either BUT my max weight was always 215 and it was VERY hard for me to hold 215 for mor ehtan a few days and would always settle down to 210-212. Since running IGF a couple time my max wieght I can hold is 224 so I really believe it does add new cells and over time you will see the benefits down the road.
    this is exactly what is does. it enhances your genetics by creating new cells. people think it doesn't work because initially the only thing you see is the insulin like effects. its 6-8 months down the road that you really see this drug work. No you don't blow up like AAS but what you get is yours to keep.

    with all that said i think you HAVE to use this drug immediately after working out 15-30 min or else you miss out.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by PumpingIron View Post
    I wasn't all too impressed with my first go-round with it. But I am planning on giving it another go in the near future, maybe during this post cycle therapy...

    I voted "No" but I see it more of a middle ground.
    Exactly like my chinchilla's experience...

    He got 50 mcgs bilaterally for 6 weeks during pct. Other than lethargy and a noticeable metabolic advantage :burg: , his frame looked the same. Although, results with IGF use may not manifest during the cycle.

    I will give him another round of treatment with some epi, next year .

  22. Quote Originally Posted by hurdlemaker View Post
    I fill the igf up to the 4th line on the slin pins and then fill up the bacteriostatic water to the 30th line
    I go with 2:1 NaCl to Igf ratio.

    I use two slin pins, one/side. 20-25mcg/pin, load the igf in .5cc pins, then add some NaCl, and then get a nurse (yeah you heard it, a nurse, that's the best part of it) to inject my lab rat.

  23. wassup marc anthony? how is j-lo doing these days? you are a lucky man!

  24. Quote Originally Posted by pistonpump View Post
    wassup marc anthony? how is j-lo doing these days? you are a lucky man!


    Well, she sure got a nice boot-ey ... doggy is like heaven on earth ...

  25. They say a high dose of EPA is as good as IGF ; itís anti-catabolic effects are shown to be even more potent than IGF-1 from what I understand. Id go with GHRP6 and MGF.

  26. It has been worth it from my one cycle with it. The cycle was not run very well, I did the IGF every day and in retrospect I realize this was a waste and unnecessarily shut down natural production.

    This time I'm running it 4 days a week (immediately PWO) and going to keep going for 5-6 weeks at 30-40mcg split bilat.

    I'll also be dove tailing (ie the last 1-2 weeks will be concurrent) with GHRP-6 and Hexaralin each at 100-150mcg a night (together sub Q). I'll run that for 2-4 weeks or whatever my finances allow.

    I would love to find a cheap source for Hexaralin (hint hint!).

    I'll be sure to report on my experience, peace ya'll!

  27. Effects are seemingly much less when using this generic Chinese crap as opposed to the GroPep.

  28. No surprise there. Good ol GroPep

  29. Quote Originally Posted by pistonpump View Post
    Is this stuff really worth it price to benefiets in your opinion?
    Just depends. I think it is well worth the money. Be sure it use when cycling. I would suggest usinf 50mcg/day the first month of cycle and the 100mcg/day 20 days after cycle or PCT. You will retain all the gains and more.

  30. Not worht the risk. I have heard of brain tumors caused by igf.
  

  
 

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