[not_big_enuf]

Originally Posted by thrilla59

does this stuff have the same effects as what the life sciences researchers use? i am talking about what the mr's and ag's type outfits sells over the internet (or the joe blow hush mail sellers that claim 97% pure product)?if not then how can these so call peptides work as good as users report? and can you always trust the quality of some chinese powders now a days? i have read from a few bb sites,word searched, i even brought some gh frag and used it for about 8 wks myself with no noticable results. how can anybody prove that this stuff works?

You gotta go on reputation. I can tell you this, Carlito's receptor grade is top notch and you WILL get results. I've used various IGF from around the block and you have to get teh best stuff. Also, I strongly believe you have to go with 80-100mcg per day and then it starts kicking.

[gotripped]

Originally Posted by not_big_enuf

You gotta go on reputation. I can tell you this, Carlito's receptor grade is top notch and you WILL get results. I've used various IGF from around the block and you have to get teh best stuff. Also, I strongly believe you have to go with 80-100mcg per day and then it starts kicking.

what exactly do you experience with that higher level of administration? If 50mcg E3D or even ED isn't effective enough why do many people get results from it? Are you speaking in terms of fat loss or in terms of muscular hypertrophy?

[not_big_enuf]

Originally Posted by gotripped

what exactly do you experience with that higher level of administration? If 50mcg E3D or even ED isn't effective enough why do many people get results from it? Are you speaking in terms of fat loss or in terms of muscular hypertrophy?

First and foremost, the source is primary. 50mcg should be enough for results IF the product is good/legit. For noticeable gains in LBM, I frankly don't notice too much until I push that 60mcg limit. For me, and many others, 80 seems to be the sweet spot. Granted much of the benefit LBM-wise isn't seen until 2-3 months down the road when those new cells have matured, but I see a noticeable difference in immediate growth from a slightly higher dose.

[thrilla59]

Originally Posted by not_big_enuf

First and foremost, the source is primary. 50mcg should be enough for results IF the product is good/legit. For noticeable gains in LBM, I frankly don't notice too much until I push that 60mcg limit. For me, and many others, 80 seems to be the sweet spot. Granted much of the benefit LBM-wise isn't seen until 2-3 months down the road when those new cells have matured, but I see a noticeable difference in immediate growth from a slightly higher dose.

this is just a little sometime that i copied from meso rx this is from an previous article quote: "It is also not as expensive since a media grade version is available which is sufficient for bodybuilding use. There is also a receptor grade available but it is VERY expensive and the only noticeable difference between the two would only be able to be noticed in a laboratory setting. The price on the black market for Long R3 IGF-1 can be seen anywhere from $300-$500 per milligram depending on the source, be wary of black market dealers of any IGF since it is a VERY difficult item to obtain. As mentioned IGF is a research product and is only available from a few laboratories in the world and is only available to research companies and biotechnology institutions. For the rest of this article when I say IGF I am now referring to Long R3 IGF-1 for simplicity sake." dude i want to BELIEVE in the good science behind this stuff i want to believe in all of the google searches, bb'ng forums and advanced discussions on other popular bb'ng sites. i have even viewed overseas sources i have been very interested in this peptide since 2003
this stuff is more for the I-lite(elite) megabucks baller athletes then for the body building enthusis like most of us, all i can say is that i am hopeful but skeptical that oneday beyond any doubt in my mind That LR3 IGF-1 WILL TAKE ME THERE i guess i need more convincing thats all.

[not_big_enuf]

Originally Posted by thrilla59

this is just a little sometime that i copied from meso rx this is from an previous article quote: "It is also not as expensive since a media grade version is available which is sufficient for bodybuilding use. There is also a receptor grade available but it is VERY expensive and the only noticeable difference between the two would only be able to be noticed in a laboratory setting. The price on the black market for Long R3 IGF-1 can be seen anywhere from $300-$500 per milligram depending on the source, be wary of black market dealers of any IGF since it is a VERY difficult item to obtain. As mentioned IGF is a research product and is only available from a few laboratories in the world and is only available to research companies and biotechnology institutions. For the rest of this article when I say IGF I am now referring to Long R3 IGF-1 for simplicity sake." dude i want to BELIEVE in the good science behind this stuff i want to believe in all of the google searches, bb'ng forums and advanced discussions on other popular bb'ng sites. i have even viewed overseas sources i have been very interested in this peptide since 2003
this stuff is more for the I-lite(elite) megabucks baller athletes then for the body building enthusis like most of us, all i can say is that i am hopeful but skeptical that oneday beyond any doubt in my mind That LR3 IGF-1 WILL TAKE ME THERE i guess i need more convincing thats all.

if u get legit IGF, it works, period. AND YOU KNOW IT. if your IGF is legit, you're extremely hungry and can/may go hypo. the other stuff... whether it be low quality or bunk altogether, you don't get those sides with.

[chainsaw]

Originally Posted by not_big_enuf

if u get legit IGF, it works, period. AND YOU KNOW IT. if your IGF is legit, you're extremely hungry and can/may go hypo. the other stuff... whether it be low quality or bunk altogether, you don't get those sides with.

Chech your pm's, I really have had none of those side effects on IGF and I was kind of expecting more, I am begining to believe that maybe it is a poor quality.

[Distilled Water]

Originally Posted by pistonpump

i was wondering about the receptor grade or media grade as well.....

Bump to the question

[CHAPS]

Igf-1 is going to work best when stacked with anabolics the obvious choice is test, i've only used Oratropin which i LOVED and will most definitely use again, but i also want to try the injectable and do 40mcg eod for 20 weeks. Good info on igf-1 over at professionalmuscle, eod seems to be the way to go you use less and it stays effective, guys have run it as long as 20 weeks with consistant gains.

[pistonpump]

id just like to bump this up again. Thing is i just bought some receptor grade from a reputable source and i was wondering if the receptor grade has a noticable difference from media grade as far as the user can tell. Ill be able to answer this poll in a month or so

[not_big_enuf]

Originally Posted by pistonpump

id just like to bump this up again. Thing is i just bought some receptor grade from a reputable source and i was wondering if the receptor grade has a noticable difference from media grade as far as the user can tell. Ill be able to answer this poll in a month or so

GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!!!

[pistonpump]

Originally Posted by not_big_enuf

GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks alot....we shall see.

[Travis]

Originally Posted by pistonpump

Thanks alot....we shall see.

I am currently using media grade...I'll pry try receptor grade next time. Even though I have seen some good user feedback on certain media grade IGF.

[justreading]

the difference in doses makes a huge difference for me in media grade. Gavin Kane SWEARS receptor grade is 3x stronger and while he may not be a pure scientist like PA, he is a smart guy...

For receptor I notice MUCH more at 80mcg post workout 3 times a week. Because I only workout 3 times a week I am sure some of the "over flow" hits the other muscle groups I worked that day as well.

[not_big_enuf]

Originally Posted by justreading

the difference in doses makes a huge difference for me in media grade. Gavin Kane SWEARS receptor grade is 3x stronger and while he may not be a pure scientist like PA, he is a smart guy...

For receptor I notice MUCH more at 80mcg post workout 3 times a week. Because I only workout 3 times a week I am sure some of the "over flow" hits the other muscle groups I worked that day as well.

I swear it's much better too... however, maybe we're just on crack........

[datBtrue]

My approach is different. I like small doses of 20mcg (split 10mcg bi-laterally) for long runs. It is a slow drip approach which works well for me and enhances my physique in noticable 3 month chunks (as opposed to seeing results right away).