IGF-1 for Injuries and Surgery

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    I have been pm'ing people and talking to them a lot about this topic, and have gotten a few different responses. I am debating between the use of Oratropin or injectible LR3 IGF-1. I really don't mind injecting and have done a ton of research about how to use either. Heres some background:

    About 6-8 weeks ago iI suffered from 2 anterior shoulder dislocations. The doctors were baffled as to why i was experiencing little to no pain after the injuries, that is until they saw the MRI w/ Arthogram. I saw the Orthopedic surgeon today and got some very bad news. The Labrum was torn completely off, so it was explained to me. I was told that there is a legitimate possibility that I will be unable play sports or train in MMA ever again. Surgery should be within 2 weeks. This explains why i was feeling virtually NO PAIN after the dislocations, apparently that since the labrum is completely detached, there is no pain or little pain (my attempt to phrase what the doctor is saying). He referred to case as "one of the worse shoulder injuries" he has seen. Apparenty there is a chance I can get to 100% in the future, but they are unsure, and will be able to know after the operation.

    I have talked to several people about using LR3 IGF-1 for recovery. 2 people I have talked to have used it to recover from serious injuries. One injected 40 mcg ED into the injured area for 18-25 days, and recovered from his injury in about a 5th of the time that was projected. Others (not affiliated to IBE) have told me that although Oratropin is inferior to the injectable IGF-1, it may be superior to it in terms of healing capacity.

    I'm pretty pissed about the whole situation, i would be happy if I can at least continue Boxing or Muay Thai, although BJJ and wrestling are probably out of the question. I really hope I can continue to lift as well. I trust the surgeon and he is one of the best in my area, so hopefully hbe can get me back as close as possible to 100%.

    So, what are the suggestions? I have had a suggestion for Both Oratropin and another for injectable IGF-1.

    Thank you everyone for your help,


  2. Quote Originally Posted by bigrick345 View Post
    I have been pm'ing people and talking to them a lot about this topic, and have gotten a few different responses. I am debating between the use of Oratropin or injectible LR3 IGF-1. I really don't mind injecting and have done a ton of research about how to use either. Heres some background:

    About 6-8 weeks ago iI suffered from 2 anterior shoulder dislocations. The doctors were baffled as to why i was experiencing little to no pain after the injuries, that is until they saw the MRI w/ Arthogram. I saw the Orthopedic surgeon today and got some very bad news. The Labrum was torn completely off, so it was explained to me. I was told that there is a legitimate possibility that I will be unable play sports or train in MMA ever again. Surgery should be within 2 weeks. This explains why i was feeling virtually NO PAIN after the dislocations, apparently that since the labrum is completely detached, there is no pain or little pain (my attempt to phrase what the doctor is saying). He referred to case as "one of the worse shoulder injuries" he has seen. Apparenty there is a chance I can get to 100% in the future, but they are unsure, and will be able to know after the operation.

    I have talked to several people about using LR3 IGF-1 for recovery. 2 people I have talked to have used it to recover from serious injuries. One injected 40 mcg ED into the injured area for 18-25 days, and recovered from his injury in about a 5th of the time that was projected. Others (not affiliated to IBE) have told me that although Oratropin is inferior to the injectable IGF-1, it may be superior to it in terms of healing capacity.

    I'm pretty pissed about the whole situation, i would be happy if I can at least continue Boxing or Muay Thai, although BJJ and wrestling are probably out of the question. I really hope I can continue to lift as well. I trust the surgeon and he is one of the best in my area, so hopefully hbe can get me back as close as possible to 100%.

    So, what are the suggestions? I have had a suggestion for Both Oratropin and another for injectable IGF-1.

    Thank you everyone for your help,
    I think that Oratrophin actually works better for healing. Grunt think it is because of the cell-mediated release gets it where it needs to be better. Injectable used properly is less likely to grow the gut, but you are talking best for healing. You also want HGH raised. HGH works with Igf-1 with many cofactors for healing. IGF-1 will actually lower HGH unless you use a bosster. For surgery and money is no object then i think I would use Orathrophin and Hexatrophin both. I have used Pgh-T very successfully for HGH booster and it is much cheaper. I think I woIgf-1 does the most good if you get it in as soon as injury occures or surgery. With the long life of Oratrophin you could actually take before surgery.

    Here is a much of threads on this subject. i may have given you some these already looking back at my PMs.

    back injury IGF-1?

    Injuries and hGH

    HGH & Torn Tendon

    IGF dosing for tendon repair

    Recommendation for Bulging Discs in back

    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/ibe-n...n-1-rocks.html

    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/ibe-n...ns-really.html

    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/ibe-n...ing-thing.html

    Shoulder Injury and Questions

    Post Surgery IGF-1 Results. Shocking.


    Good luck.
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  3. Thanks, i have done quite a bit of research on it. The reason i keep asking is because i trust the injectible form more than Oratropin because of some of the reviews Ora has gotten. A person i talked to explained this to me, and after looking it up i saw that some boards call it an enormous scam while others call it one of the best drugs to come out recently. I guess it is more about me being insecure about Ora's benefits. I have looked into a lot of different HGH boosters, don't know which is best but i'm sure i will figure it out if i keep digging,

    Thanks again

  4. I am unable to find whether the labrum is ligament or tendon. This is important, as IGF-1 does not heal ligament although it does heal bone and the injury is at the junction of bone and whatever the labrum is made of.

    Anyway, I feel you would be better off with oratropin than injectable, but if you can find a way to spend a couple hundred bucks, get yourself some GH and take it at 5iu ED for the first 20 days after the surgery, on top of the Oratropin.

    If that doesn't help, nothing will.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76 View Post
    I am unable to find whether the labrum is ligament or tendon. This is important, as IGF-1 does not heal ligament although it does heal bone and the injury is at the junction of bone and whatever the labrum is made of.

    Anyway, I feel you would be better off with oratropin than injectable, but if you can find a way to spend a couple hundred bucks, get yourself some GH and take it at 5iu ED for the first 20 days after the surgery, on top of the Oratropin.

    If that doesn't help, nothing will.
    I can't find it either. It is however a piece of cartilage.

    http://www.medterms.com/script/main/...ticlekey=18656


    "Labrum: In medicine, a ring of fibrocartilage (fibrous cartilage) around the edge of the articular (joint) surface of a bone. The term labrum is used in anatomy to designate a lip, edge, or brim. Plural: labra.

    The glenoid labrum is a ring of fibrocartilage that runs around the cavity of the scapula (wingbone) in which the head of the humerus (the bone in the upper arm) fits. The labrum deepens this cavity (the glenoid cavity) and effectively increases the surface of the shoulder joint."

    Does that help?
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  6. This helps as well. IGF-1 on Cartilage:


    Recommendation for Bulging Discs in back

  7. Tendon is a generic term given to the connective tissue used to connect muscle to bone.
    Ligament is a generic term given to the connective tissue used to connect bone to bone.

    Both are from the same class of connective tissue, dense regular connective tissue. It is a fibrous tissue type.

    The labrum is not in this class of connective tissue. It is a cartilaginous connective tissue type.
    Hope this helps.

  8. Uh, right I forgot to add "or cartilage" which should have been the #1 guess. So anyway IGF-1 is good at healing cartilage, provided it can get to it.

  9. gh helps my patellar tendonitis much more than igf.

    igf did help alot with a nagging shoulder seperation though. your best bet is a little of both. some would saya low dose of test would help potentiate them (100-200mg a week)

  10. Quote Originally Posted by NattyNow View Post
    gh helps my patellar tendonitis much more than igf.

    igf did help alot with a nagging shoulder seperation though. your best bet is a little of both. some would saya low dose of test would help potentiate them (100-200mg a week)
    It is actually the estrogen produce from testosterone that is the the cofactor with HGH and IGF-1. Like always testosterone helps build and repair muscles.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Werewolf View Post
    It is actually the estrogen produce from testosterone that is the the cofactor with HGH and IGF-1. Like always testosterone helps build and repair muscles.
    That makes sense, explaining why people argue against using SERM's on cycle, correct?

  12. Quote Originally Posted by bigrick345 View Post
    That makes sense, explaining why people argue against using SERM's on cycle, correct?
    Basically true. Estrogen is actually anabolic. The problem is not letting it get too high and getting gyno. If too low, then HDL and white blood cell counts drop. Also joints will start having problems.

  13. i have gotten the best results using raloxifene. it is a synthetic estrogen that is used to treat bone loss. it also convieniently prevents gyno extremely well. stay away from letro or high doses of armidex.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by NattyNow View Post
    i have gotten the best results using raloxifene. it is a synthetic estrogen that is used to treat bone loss. it also convieniently prevents gyno extremely well. stay away from letro or high doses of armidex.
    GREAT post.

  15. Surgery is tomorrow. Thanks for all the help. I will keep those interested posted on the healing process. I'm told that normally people take 3- months to get close to 100%, hopefully it will be less than that for me.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by bigrick345 View Post
    Surgery is tomorrow. Thanks for all the help. I will keep those interested posted on the healing process. I'm told that normally people take 3- months to get close to 100%, hopefully it will be less than that for me.
    I wish you Good luck and a speeding recovery.

  17. typing w 1 hand, sorry for grammar

    tear was worse than anticipated. doc repaired bankhart lesion and slap tear. he says he wad able o repair both perfectly. took first dose ora 3-4 hours post surgery (earliest possible) on a very dry mouth. i let it sit in my right cheek for 10 min. will take gaba tonight. i plan on using oratropin ed for first week then eod for next 2, both morning on empty stomach. i am also using universal animal flex, flax, multi. its tough to tell if ora is working because i have a headache anyways. did i use it correctly? advice? thanks?

    i think oratropin may work better, the labrum is very deep in the shoulder (where the socket is), would the injectible igf-1 reach it that well?

  18. i can also load the photos taken by the arthroscope if anyone wants to see them

  19. the inj igf should help even if it is not right at the site.

    when i broke my toe i shot the stuff right in there. hurt like a mother! it did heal fast tho

  20. Quote Originally Posted by NattyNow View Post
    the inj igf should help even if it is not right at the site.

    when i broke my toe i shot the stuff right in there. hurt like a mother! it did heal fast tho
    thanks hopefully the oratropin works as well. I was skeptical of it due to some of the negative feedback it has gotten in the past, but i have confidence in it.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by bigrick345 View Post
    typing w 1 hand, sorry for grammar

    tear was worse than anticipated. doc repaired bankhart lesion and slap tear. he says he wad able o repair both perfectly. took first dose ora 3-4 hours post surgery (earliest possible) on a very dry mouth. i let it sit in my right cheek for 10 min. will take gaba tonight. i plan on using oratropin ed for first week then eod for next 2, both morning on empty stomach. i am also using universal animal flex, flax, multi. its tough to tell if ora is working because i have a headache anyways. did i use it correctly? advice? thanks?

    i think oratropin may work better, the labrum is very deep in the shoulder (where the socket is), would the injectible igf-1 reach it that well?
    Usually on both lower cheeks. I think you probably did fine.

    Cissus would be a good addition.

    I would have gone for a stronger HGH booster than GABA, but you can go for twice a day. It works best an hour before bed.

    PGH-T or Hexatrophin.

    Good luck

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Werewolf View Post
    Usually on both lower cheeks. I think you probably did fine.

    Cissus would be a good addition.

    I would have gone for a stronger HGH booster than GABA, but you can go for twice a day. It works best an hour before bed.

    PGH-T or Hexatrophin.

    Good luck
    i still , i am just not sure if i want to pay for the hexatropin. i would rather get another kit of ora. i still may get hexatropin

  23. I assume you doing about 5 grams of GABA.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Werewolf View Post
    I assume you doing about 5 grams of GABA.
    5g before bed. I stopped the painkillers today as well. pain is not bad enough to need them. hopefully the oratropin is working, dosing is ed for 5-7 days, then eod. like i said it is hard to get the ora in the left cheek as well because i can only lay on my right side. typing with 1 hand is a real pain

  25. Quote Originally Posted by bigrick345 View Post
    5g before bed. I stopped the painkillers today as well. pain is not bad enough to need them. hopefully the oratropin is working, dosing is ed for 5-7 days, then eod. like i said it is hard to get the ora in the left cheek as well because i can only lay on my right side. typing with 1 hand is a real pain
    Are you taking anything to reduce swelling?
    You may want to be taking Ibuprofin to reduce swelling which will aid in healing. Possibly as high as 800 mg.

    At some point you will want to move out to every 72 to 96 hrs for Oratrophin. You can go a max of about 40 days at EOD before you get no benefit, but you are not gaining much from that frequency of dosing. IGF-1 binds to the receptor for 72 hrs. IGF-1 is going to do the most good in speeding healing in the beginning which is the reason for ED at first, but is wastefull.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Werewolf View Post
    Are you taking anything to reduce swelling?
    You may want to be taking Ibuprofin to reduce swelling which will aid in healing. Possibly as high as 800 mg.

    At some point you will want to move out to every 72 to 96 hrs for Oratrophin. You can go a max of about 40 days at EOD before you get no benefit, but you are not gaining much from that frequency of dosing. IGF-1 binds to the receptor for 72 hrs. IGF-1 is going to do the most good in speeding healing in the beginning which is the reason for ED at first, but is wastefull.
    thank . yes i take ibuprofen daily, 3-4 caps advil (not sure what dose) along with ice last 2 days. also asprin to thin the blood. will switch to eod if it is more cost effective, however was under the impression that ed at first was better

  27. Quote Originally Posted by bigrick345 View Post
    thank . yes i take ibuprofen daily, 3-4 caps advil (not sure what dose) along with ice last 2 days. also asprin to thin the blood. will switch to eod if it is more cost effective, however was under the impression that ed at first was better
    Taking both aspirin and ibuprofen at the same time is a bad idea. They don't get along well, bad mix. Ibupofen also thins blood so aspirin is unnecessary. Standard Ibuprofen is 200 mgs. you can go to 4x or prescription strength, but it puts a load on your liver so is not recommended for long periods of time.

    No, at first stay with everyday. 5 to 7 days is fine. The most benefit is occuring in those days so a little waste pays off the most. It guarantees all receptors are full. It is after that that you may want to move out every 72 to 96 hrs. Remember that Oratrophin is still present for 48 hrs.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by Werewolf View Post
    Taking both aspirin and ibuprofen at the same time is a bad idea. They don't get along well, bad mix. Ibupofen also thins blood so aspirin is unnecessary. Standard Ibuprofen is 200 mgs. you can go to 4x or prescription strength, but it puts a load on your liver so is not recommended for long periods of time.

    No, at first stay with everyday. 5 to 7 days is fine. The most benefit is occuring in those days so a little waste pays off the most. It guarantees all receptors are full. It is after that that you may want to move out every 72 to 96 hrs. Remember that Oratrophin is still present for 48 hrs.
    I fully agree: it is vital that you get as much IGF-1 into you as possible during the first few days.

    You are doing well, this will heal nicely, I'm sure.

  29. After the 5th dose injury appears to be healing well. I am retaining an incredible amount of water for some reason, it feels like my bf% has gone up a lot in just 5 days. I feel not that much pain in the shoulder actually, and as if in less than a week i could be ready to get rid of the sling, but that is the doctors call and post op is not until July 19, and people are usually in a sling for 4-6 weeks.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by bigrick345 View Post
    After the 5th dose injury appears to be healing well. I am retaining an incredible amount of water for some reason, it feels like my bf% has gone up a lot in just 5 days. I feel not that much pain in the shoulder actually, and as if in less than a week i could be ready to get rid of the sling, but that is the doctors call and post op is not until July 19, and people are usually in a sling for 4-6 weeks.
    I have no idea why you are retaining water. Eating a lot of salt? Try drinking extra water, it works like a natural diuretic.

    Glad to hear things are going well. I'm afraid at some point you may have to accellerate rehab faster than the doctor says, but now is probably not that time! Take it very very easy when you do.

    Good luck!
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