IGF Peg-Mgf Lab Rat Log in the making

[justreading]

I plan on running IGF/pMGF like this:

Day 1: 80mcg IGF PWO
Day 2: 80mcg IGF PWO
Day 3: 500mcg pMGF in the AM
(lets see if giving it more time to work and clear is better due to the high dose)
Day 4: 80mcg IGF PWO
Day 5: 80mcg IGF PWO
Day 6: 500mcg pMGF
Day 7: No peptides

I may turn this into a log if there is enough interest but I am too tired to do my background and training right now. Let me know if this is something you all want to see.

[jminis]

Keep us updated, are you doing the igf bi lateral?

[Amazon Doll]

Most of the big guys I know are using

50mcg of igf

and

250mcg of the mgf

I think your numbers are to high.

If you read all of Grunts ideas in his various posts you will come to see that he suggests the time scedule to make sure your receptors will accept the doses, but not to over kill due to the fact that any left overs will attach to the gut and cause intestinal growth.

Your dosing schedule looks good based on your workout days that I saw in your other thread. I just think your doses are way to high.

You state that the pmgf dose is high, have you run this before?

Are you going to be running anything else with this?

Are you going to pin the igf IM or sub q ?

How old are you and what are your stats? Have you maxed out your growth with anabolic steroids?

[justreading]

Good questions and one of them is exactly why I am doing this: Steroids don't work for me.

Sounds nuts but I know my body inside out and have done every cycle in the world (currently on 2.4 grams a week total of a 1-test, EQ, Mast Eth and Test eth mix). My body just WILL NOT go over 213-215 at 5'10 no matter what I take (I've done 1 gram of test, 300mg Deca and 40mg Dbol a day for 8-10 weeks and gained just 5 pounds.)

Anyone who thinks my diet is off just check my thread below asking for advice on this scheduel and I am confident that you will be please. Also note I add 1-2 protein sahkes to that a day for mid 400's protein a day and over 3500 cals a day` and over 4k on training days.

I have run IGF and at 40mcg I got NOTHING. At 60-80 mcg I felt full but very little more. I simply am ready to throw in the towel and willing to see just what it takes to get my damn body to work with me!

Most of the big guys I know are using

50mcg of igf

and

250mcg of the mgf

I think your numbers are to high.

If you read all of Grunts ideas in his various posts you will come to see that he suggests the time scedule to make sure your receptors will accept the doses, but not to over kill due to the fact that any left overs will attach to the gut and cause intestinal growth.

Your dosing schedule looks good based on your workout days that I saw in your other thread. I just think your doses are way to high.

You state that the pmgf dose is high, have you run this before?

Are you going to be running anything else with this?

Are you going to pin the igf IM or sub q ?

How old are you and what are your stats? Have you maxed out your growth with anabolic steroids?

[Amazon Doll]

Ouch...that is a lot of gear!

Sounds like you are a perfect cantidate for these peptides then. I've cut my cycle in half since I started with the peptides.

yeh, your diet was clean, but can you eat more? I was married to a guy before he turned Pro and 10,000 calorie days were not uncommon.

what have you done with gh so far?

[justreading]

Ouch...that is a lot of gear!

Sounds like you are a perfect cantidate for these peptides then. I've cut my cycle in half since I started with the peptides.

yeh, your diet was clean, but can you eat more? I was married to a guy before he turned Pro and 10,000 calorie days were not uncommon.

what have you done with gh so far?

I've eaten 6k cals before, it got me up to 230 but I barely count it because when I cut down I was smaller then when I cut from 215. I haven't done GH because of funds. Its hard to come up with a couple thousand all at once and I got some sick prices on IGF and MGF (this proposed cycle cost like $250 total)

[Amazon Doll]

well you pretty much have your mind made up about what you are going to do, so just do it.

If you read enough of Grunts ideas you would know what he would say.

[justreading]

Grunt is an innovator in this field and his opinion is very important but it is an opinion. When you go to other boards their are other opinions. I believe grunt and IBE have shown interest in seeing someone log high dose pmgf. Since pmgf is SO systemic it may be im portant to get higher dosages since they may very well be equally spread to each muscle group and their is a lot of muscle in the body.

As far as IGF goes MANY people put 80mcg as the magic point where they get results. Personally 40mcg did VERY little for me.

I have made up my mind to do things like this but the question had to do with if I should dose 20-250mcg mgf 4-5 times a week for 500mcg 2 times a week. Also was hoping to see if logging this was worth it.

well you pretty much have your mind made up about what you are going to do, so just do it.

If you read enough of Grunts ideas you would know what he would say.

[Grunt76]

I dunno bro, I am *SURE* your diet is off.

Being a steroid non-reponder is like being a water non-responder.

EAT EAT EAT and log it all.

Perhaps you need to hire someone to watch over your diet, training and cycles bro.

Not that your cycle here is anything like a bad idea, at all. I will be watching.

[justreading]

I honestly would LOVE to find what is wrong I would give anything to. I think it may be training to be honest because my diet is damn good. I eat between 3500-4300 cals with 400 grams of protein, beans and veggies ect for carbs and olive oil and PB for fats.

I dunno bro, I am *SURE* your diet is off.

Being a steroid non-reponder is like being a water non-responder.

EAT EAT EAT and log it all.

Perhaps you need to hire someone to watch over your diet, training and cycles bro.

Not that your cycle here is anything like a bad idea, at all. I will be watching.

[supersoldier]

When does the log start? Definitely log it, there is much need for more peptide feedback, particularly PEG-Mgf.

[Amazon Doll]

I honestly would LOVE to find what is wrong I would give anything to. I think it may be training to be honest because my diet is damn good. I eat between 3500-4300 cals with 400 grams of protein, beans and veggies ect for carbs and olive oil and PB for fats.

I still think you need to eat more then, especially with all the gear & peptides in your body

Grunt pointed it out after I did and you still have not taken this incredibly crucial piece of advise.

I think this may be your key and you refuse to acknowledge it. Alsmot like you are digging your heels in.

I am a female and when I am training hard and on I can get up close to your calorie range.

Your protein is fine but you need more carbs & good fats to grow. Try adding 2000 cals a day.

[justreading]

I'll take that advise when summer is over but mid summer it's hard to bulk while everyone else looks ripped. I think I need to find someone to set up a training scheduel.

I still think you need to eat more then, especially with all the gear & peptides in your body

Grunt pointed it out after I did and you still have not taken this incredibly crucial piece of advise.

I think this may be your key and you refuse to acknowledge it. Alsmot like you are digging your heels in.

I am a female and when I am training hard and on I can get up close to your calorie range.

Your protein is fine but you need more carbs & good fats to grow. Try adding 2000 cals a day.

[CHAPS]

I still think you need to eat more then, especially with all the gear & peptides in your body

Grunt pointed it out after I did and you still have not taken this incredibly crucial piece of advise.

I think this may be your key and you refuse to acknowledge it. Alsmot like you are digging your heels in.

I am a female and when I am training hard and on I can get up close to your calorie range.

Your protein is fine but you need more carbs & good fats to grow. Try adding 2000 cals a day.

I agree get those cals up to 5000 or so

[Amazon Doll]

I'll take that advise when summer is over but mid summer it's hard to bulk while everyone else looks ripped. I think I need to find someone to set up a training scheduel.

You are doing too much **** if you are not willing to make sacrafices and do the things nessasry to win.

Stop making excuses and get on the train or get off.

You can not destroy your body with that much gear if you aren't getting any results because you refuse to do a proper diet for the amounts you are using.

Your receptors are getting trashed & your muscles are not growing and you are making excuses.

Yes, I'm old enough to be your Mother, so don't talk back to me either

[justreading]

I'll just shut up cause I have done 5-6k calries and all I gained was fat. Got to 240 then cut the same as I always do and came up 5 pounds lighter after cutting.

Now that I have officially lost speaking privlages I'll try to find a training routine with my spare time gained due to not being able to speak.

[Amazon Doll]

I'm not trying to be mean, but something is wrong & more gear wont' fix it. I am trying to help.

I think it is time for you to work with a trainer. Someone with a lot of experience putting muscle on people and that has worked with hundreds of different bodies.

[Speedbacker]

I'm not trying to be mean, but something is wrong & more gear wont' fix it. I am trying to help.

I think it is time for you to work with a trainer. Someone with a lot of experience putting muscle on people and that has worked with hundreds of different bodies.

Exactly. Hire somebody like Gavin Kane Or Grunt.

[supersoldier]

Exactly. Hire somebody like Gavin Kane.

Or Bobo. Don't know if he's taking new clients though...

[justreading]

You all are awsome for kicking my ass (seriously I mean it). So I overate this weekend and made sure it wasn't from ummm digestion and I went up 7 pounds in 2 days weighing at the same time in the same scale. You all win, after PGCL I will up my carbs... THEN when I work again that crazy clown or grunt ect will be getting some business.