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Myostatin Question for PA, anybody else with knowledge

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  1. 05-11-2007 10:09 PM
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    I really hope that this compound can induce hyperplasia. On the Super human Radio interview it sounded like they were doing mouse studies to see if hyperplasia was induced. Only time will tell. We need drugs specifically for hyperplasia without the negatives associated with GH and IGF-1..huge belly.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlBenson View Post
    I really hope that this compound can induce hyperplasia. On the Super human Radio interview it sounded like they were doing mouse studies to see if hyperplasia was induced. Only time will tell. We need drugs specifically for hyperplasia without the negatives associated with GH and IGF-1..huge belly.
    Beggars can't be choosers. If this compound does ANYTHING it will be a pleasant surprise. Not trying to be negative, but honestly, the chances of folstaxan doing what it is said to do are slim to none. But then again, what do I know, it could be the next big thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedbacker View Post
    Beggars can't be choosers. If this compound does ANYTHING it will be a pleasant surprise. Not trying to be negative, but honestly, the chances of folstaxan doing what it is said to do are slim to none. But then again, what do I know, it could be the next big thing.

    you know, unlike other supps that were supposed to effect myostatin - this one is very straight forward.


    • It's egg protein based - derived from fertilized chicken egg yolks

    • Fertilized chicken egg yolks have a high degree of follistatin

    • Other egg protein powders appear to be highly bioavailable - why should we think this one won't

    • Follistatin is the major protein it provides


    • Elevated follistatin reduces circulating myostatin - no one is debating this part - John Hopkins proved this time and again



    I think the real unanswered questions are - what does reducing CIRCULATING myostatin have to do with HOW MUCH muscle growth. This is supposed to be elucidated through the twin-mouse study.

    Dr. Se-Jin Lee's group is trying to arrest muscle wasting diseases by suppressing circulating myostatin through a variety of pathways. They seem to think it will have the desired effect.

    I'm sure there will be some anecdotal summaries of the product a couple months after its released. I was told by Rick Green that's still on track for ~6 weeks from now.
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  4. 05-12-2007 10:31 AM
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    and also rick told me that comparing his product to that product of GEN humanafort is like comparing apples to oranges totally different products.
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    Quote Originally Posted by triceptor View Post
    you know, unlike other supps that were supposed to effect myostatin - this one is very straight forward.


    • It's egg protein based - derived from fertilized chicken egg yolks

    • Fertilized chicken egg yolks have a high degree of follistatin

    • Other egg protein powders appear to be highly bioavailable - why should we think this one won't

    • Follistatin is the major protein it provides


    • Elevated follistatin reduces circulating myostatin - no one is debating this part - John Hopkins proved this time and again



    I think the real unanswered questions are - what does reducing CIRCULATING myostatin have to do with HOW MUCH muscle growth. This is supposed to be elucidated through the twin-mouse study.
    I agree, I'm just trying to be realistic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLACK747 View Post
    and also rick told me that comparing his product to that product of GEN humanafort is like comparing apples to oranges totally different products.
    Black 747- I remember a while ago you said this:

    Hello Everyone I Normally Wouldnt Post My Results But I Have Done A 10 Week Cycle At 500 Micrograms A Week Of The Anti-gdf-8 Pm Me And Ill Tell You What I Believe It To Do.

    Were you full of **** or did you really experiment with it, or were you just being a tease?
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    actually it was five weeks at 500 micrograms a week and to be honest the tiredness effect i got from it was very profound
    i will post more tonight got to go to work
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLACK747 View Post
    actually it was five weeks at 500 micrograms a week and to be honest the tiredness effect i got from it was very profound
    i will post more tonight got to go to work
    OK. Did you have an increase in muscle hypertrophy?
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    the biggest thing as for as muscle increase i think is my shoulders and traps got bigger know im not and expert in this
    im just stating what happen to me my appetite was also uncontrollable i also remember my cholesterol level was real high i cant say it came from the anti-gdf-8 or not
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    i actually think it was like 7 weeks that i took the stuff i remember spending like 1700 dollars all together.yup like a dumb###
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    That sucks you didn't see the "unbelievable" muscle growth you're supposed to get when myostatin is "blocked". That's a ton of money to spend, but gotta give you credit for trying that.
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    Thats Right Hey Im 215 Pounds 5ft6in I Dont Know Maybe I Did Something Wrong Maybe I Did Not Take It Long Enough I Know For A Fact My Shoulders And Traps Grew And My Energy Left I Started Getting Tired Real Fast And I Felt Like Crap When I Took The Stuff.i See People Thinking You Gonna Become This Monster Over Night While I Personally Beleive It Can Happen With Hard Work Its Just Gonna Take Time .maybe I Mix It Wrong Or Something I Used Bac Water I Dont Know Whos To Say That I Actually Block My Myostatin In Just 7 Weeks I Mean I Did See Some Growth Expecially In My Trap And Neck Area Just My Experience From The Injectable
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    Hey Another Thing My Appetite Went Threw The Roof
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    I HAVE Seen From The Studying That I Have Done That Muscle Growth From Follistatin Is Alot Better Then The Antibody So Im Real Excited About This Folstaxan
    The World Awaits Lol
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    I Must Add This, I Read I Forget Where That Muscle That Dont Produce Myostatin Gets Tired Fast So Maybe I Did Get Some Form Of Surpression Keep In Mind It Was Only 7 Weeks
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    any more new info?
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    well its nothing new like i said before the biggest muscle growth i notice and its still quite visible today is my trap and shoulder muscle it stands out from the rest
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLACK747 View Post
    well its nothing new like i said before the biggest muscle growth i notice and its still quite visible today is my trap and shoulder muscle it stands out from the rest
    so at this point is the celldyne supplement considered bunk?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aoba View Post
    so at this point is the celldyne supplement considered bunk?
    Nobody knows. Nobody's used it. I don't think too many people are getting their hopes up because of it, but I think it's supposed to be released in a month or so and there will be people who will buy it, so I guess we'll find out shortly. I wouldn't expect much though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aoba View Post
    so at this point is the celldyne supplement considered bunk?

    I don't think he was talking about Celldyne....

    No one knows what the actual effects will be of the Celldyne product.

    If the results of elevating follistatin levels in mice translates to humans there might be a real valuable supplement here..
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