Ok...so I know igf can be used for about 4 weeks before receptors downregulate. how long can I use MGF for? Any thoughts appreciated.
About the same amount of time. New evidence suggests the gains stop not from receptor downregulation though.Originally Posted by large1
Should be able to run them both together perpetually and get cumulative results.
To satisfy my curiosity, what's the new evidence that you're basing this on? Personal experience, others you've talked to, research?Originally Posted by Grunt76
Others I have talked to, and research.Originally Posted by TeamSavage
It had been asked for a long time why do the gains from IGF-1 stop after a few weeks but not from GH, which mostly operates through IGF-1? That was a missing piece of the puzzle for a while there. And then the same happened with MGF: after a few weeks, gains stop.
Upon doing more research I realized that while it is true that GH works through IGF-1, in athletes, it works more through the IGF-1Ec splice than the IGF-1 liver splice. IGF-1Ec is MGF. So while GH raises IGF-1, in athletes, it raises MGF more than IGF-1. Up until a couple years ago, IGF-1 was IGF-1 even if you were talking about MGF, which makes reading some of the science very difficult.
So anyways, GH's big secret is the MGF/IGF stack. Or so it seems. Going back to theory, one can certainly see that too numerous myoblasts will fail to proliferate, which explains the stopping gains from MGF, and that too few myoblasts will fail to fuse, which explains diminishing gains from IGF-1, and that a good number of myoblasts will proliferate if given the right stimulus (MGF) and fuse if given the right stimulus (IGF-1). So the combination of MGF & IGF, be it from GH or from both, provides a steady stream of new myoblasts that are readily fused, providing continued gains.
Some guys report that this holds true with the pMGF and Long R3 IGF-1 over a couple months at least. I will be running them both concurrently pretty soon and hopefully I will keep the stack going for a good long while.
Will you be using the protocol suggested by Gavin Kane? I seen his protocol over at promuscle and was thinking of running it in my upcoming cycle. Thanks for the advice.Originally Posted by Grunt76
No I will be using the protocol suggested by Grunt76Originally Posted by large1
Interestingly they are similar.
and what might this protocol look like?Originally Posted by Grunt76
It is privy to the people who donate money to pick my brain... But it has many things in common with GK's way of doing things. Him and I seem to agree on almost everything regarding these things. The main difference is that I charge a lot less and my physique is much less impressive...Originally Posted by Tom 185
ahhh ok ok. I will stick to my 2x week IGF and 2x week MGF schedule thenOriginally Posted by Grunt76
For the money that's a pretty good protocol you have there.Originally Posted by Tom 185
Why thankyou. However, I think can only afford to run 6 week cycles like this during my pct's twice per year.Originally Posted by Grunt76
Day 1:200mcg pMGF
Day 2:40mcg IGF-LR3
Day 3:40mcg IGF-LR3
Day 4:200mcg pMGF
Day 5:40mcg IGF-LR3
Day 6:40mcg IGF-LR3
Day 7:200mcg pMGF
I was thinking of doing this for about 12 weeks. Do you think this is a good idea Grunt76?
Do you have any other suggestions for this cycle?
Sorry for my bad english:P
i did not see any permanent gains from MGF that i didnt see from LR3 IGF-1 when i used them together. i pinned a number of different ways (ED, E3D, post-muscle group, etc etc)
the MGF+IGF seemed to "inflate" my muscles a bit more than IGF did solo, but the effect did not continue after discontinuation. i still got the lovely veins and mild hypertrophy that i always get, but nothing was added that isnt normally there.
as cheap as MGF is (especially compared to IGF), i wont be buying it again.
You really should try the pMGF with IGF-1 over a couple months continuous use bro, I think you will love the stack.
Some guys are like that: they prefer less gains that come quickly to more gains that come more smoothly.