Extending my IGF run by using MGF

[Whacked]

I thought I read somewhere that using MGF along with IGF, one could potentially run IGFlonger.?

I am loving my IGF/MGF cycle and don't want ot stop at 4 weeks

Whats the longest I can run it without problems?

 

[Pioneer]

how are you dosing?

 

[surazal]

MGF won't really help you run IGF longer ... but it is synergistic.

there are alot of factors that determine how long you can run IGF


how high of dosage?

how frequent the dosage(ED/EOD)?
when are you dosing? doing just small PWO dosing usually lets you cycle longer

what kind(receptor or media grade)?

your body .... everyone is different


if you use receptor grade IGF doing only small PWO injections can let people run IGF indefinitely.


full, daily dosing of media grade IGF will start showing lessen effects after roughly 4 weeks, although it varies for the person.

 

[TeamSavage]

if you use receptor grade IGF doing only small PWO injections can let people run IGF indefinitely.

full, daily dosing of media grade IGF will start showing lessen effects after roughly 4 weeks, although it varies for the person.

Why would receptor versus media grade make any difference in this respect? You're still taking IGF-1 LR3 regardless. Correct me if I'm wrong, but receptor grade is about 99% pure while media grade is about 70% pure, making the receptor grade about 42% more potent per mcg. But both are doing the same thing in the body, and thus will induce tolerance through the same progression.

 

[Grunt76]

MGF won't really help you run IGF longer ... but it is synergistic.

there are alot of factors that determine how long you can run IGF


how high of dosage?

how frequent the dosage(ED/EOD)?
when are you dosing? doing just small PWO dosing usually lets you cycle longer

what kind(receptor or media grade)?

your body .... everyone is different


if you use receptor grade IGF doing only small PWO injections can let people run IGF indefinitely.


full, daily dosing of media grade IGF will start showing lessen effects after roughly 4 weeks, although it varies for the person.

You should be able to gain from IGF-1 for longer by adding pMGF.

Why would receptor versus media grade make any difference in this respect? You're still taking IGF-1 LR3 regardless. Correct me if I'm wrong, but receptor grade is about 99% pure while media grade is about 70% pure, making the receptor grade about 42% more potent per mcg. But both are doing the same thing in the body, and thus will induce tolerance through the same progression.

Media grade STARTS at 70%. Receptor grade starts at 97%.

There is quite a bit of media grade that just fails the grade for receptor out there. One fairly well-known and large supplier of research chems has gone to the expense of having the purity of their receptor grade tested and the result was 96%. There should be next to no difference between that particular media grade and receptor grade. Except price.

Know what you are getting, know your source.

 

[Whacked]

how are you dosing?

Sun, Wed --- 150 mcg MGF
Mon, Tue, Thur, Sat --- 50 mcg IGF PWO only

IGF is receptor grade

 

[Grunt76]

Sun, Wed --- 150 mcg MGF
Mon, Tue, Thur, Sat --- 50 mcg IGF PWO only

IGF is receptor grade

BTW bro, I have done pMGF @ 140mcg per injection and am now doing it at 200mcg per, and the 200mcg per injection run is TWICE as good as the 140mcg one...

 

[Whacked]

BTW bro, I have done pMGF @ 140mcg per injection and am now doing it at 200mcg per, and the 200mcg per injection run is TWICE as good as the 140mcg one...

Very nice to hear Grunt!

Can you please respond to my orignial post? Thanks

 

[Grunt76]

Sun, Wed --- 150 mcg MGF
Mon, Tue, Thur, Sat --- 50 mcg IGF PWO only

IGF is receptor grade

Bump the mgf to 200mcg and you're good to go. The results are so much better with 200mcg that 150 is wasting it.

 

[deftone]

Bump the mgf to 200mcg and you're good to go. The results are so much better with 200mcg that 150 is wasting it.

Hey Grunt, when using this dosing protocol what are the site to pin the MGF. I had read elsewhere that you should pin the MGF in the muscle to be worked the following day though with a 2/week schedule it doesnt really work? Is the pMGF systemic?

 

[Grunt76]

Hey Grunt, when using this dosing protocol what are the site to pin the MGF. I had read elsewhere that you should pin the MGF in the muscle to be worked the following day though with a 2/week schedule it doesnt really work? Is the pMGF systemic?

pMGF is totally systemic. I pin my right-side thigh, and some do it sub-Q with equal success.

 

[Whacked]

I am loving my IGF/MGF cycle and don't want ot stop at 4 weeks

Whats the longest I can run it without problems?

Grunt, help a buddy out.

 

[Grunt76]

Grunt, help a buddy out.

It all depends how you are running them.

What I do is this:

First, I train 2on/1off.

Second, I use pMGF on the off day.

Third, I use IGF-1 immediately posworkout. Either every workout at a lower dose, or on only one of my 2 days on at a higher dose of 60-80mcg.

That way, you can run them pretty much forever...

 

[Whacked]

Excellent. Thank you Grunt for your help. I was worried about some sort of rebound after cessation of a long program of use AND worried about GH/IGF gut.

 

[dattman]

MGF inhibits IGF production so mgf really wont help you run a cycle longer, correct? Because its not going to upregulate receptors or help bring back your repressed GH levels due to IGF. The only thing that would help extend a IGF cycle is HGH.

Is my thinking correct with this? lmk

 

[Grunt76]

MGF inhibits IGF production so mgf really wont help you run a cycle longer, correct? Because its not going to upregulate receptors or help bring back your repressed GH levels due to IGF. The only thing that would help extend a IGF cycle is HGH.

Is my thinking correct with this? lmk

no.

 

[dattman]

can you elaborate then?

 

[Grunt76]

can you elaborate then?

MGF temporarily inhibits production of IGF-1 while MGF is doing its job, which is to proliferate the myoblasts. After its job is done, then IGF-1 can rise.

IGF-1's job is the fusion of the myoblasts to muscle cells as well as hyperplasia. It is my theory that IGF-1 (and steroid) gains stop because all the myoblasts are already fused at some point. Using MGF proliferates them and so IGF-1 should be OK pretty much indefinitely as long as you keep the myoblast numbers high, which is accomplished by using MGF.

I would do this:

Train 2on/1off

Training day 1: IGF-1 postworkout
Training day 2: IGF-1 postworkout
Off day: pMGF about the time the workout occurs on training days.

IMO this protocol will give fantastic results. I must try this!

 

[NattyNow]

does the mgf inhibit natural production of igf or are you saying it blocks the action of any igf (endogenous and exogenous)?

i tried the mgf at twice a week 200mcg, and didn't get too much off of it.

this bottle i am using a tiny bit (30mcg) mixed in with my daily nutropin sub-q shot, and it definately is doing alot more for my body comp. go figure. i'll let you know how it goes after i've finished this bottle. i feel it is magnifying the gh fatburning or something.

 

[Grunt76]

does the mgf inhibit natural production of igf or are you saying it blocks the action of any igf (endogenous and exogenous)?

i tried the mgf at twice a week 200mcg, and didn't get too much off of it.

this bottle i am using a tiny bit (30mcg) mixed in with my daily nutropin sub-q shot, and it definately is doing alot more for my body comp. go figure. i'll let you know how it goes after i've finished this bottle. i feel it is magnifying the gh fatburning or something.

That is fascinating bro.

I don't think the MGF blocks the IGF, more the other way around, so it's still either MGF or IGF in any 24h period.

Keep me updated on your experience bro.