IGF... increase dose with E3D vs. ED?
- 10-29-2006, 09:12 AM
- 10-29-2006, 10:11 AM
10-29-2006, 10:44 AM
Excellente! I read it back a while ago... and from all the supplements am just a big musclehead that can't think or read anymore.... or wait, maybe it's laziness that I didn't look there.... BAHAHAHA!Originally Posted by TeamSavage
10-29-2006, 10:45 AM
And thank you for letting me know the short answer... reps to you good sir!Originally Posted by TeamSavage
10-29-2006, 02:29 PM
I feel that it is dependent on LBM and size of muscle. I think a 200lb LBM individual might do very well at 40mcg ED. 50mcg E3D becomes a very viable option and 60mcg for quads.Originally Posted by not_big_enuf
Another factor is batch quality. I have seen some media grade test out at 97% purity, but there are also much lower-quality media grade batches out there, and of course your mileage WILL vary depending on all these factors and bioindividual response.
I can tell you one thing: if you get gas after pinning it, you are using too much. One thing we want to avoid is impacting the intestines...
10-29-2006, 10:42 PM
10-31-2006, 09:59 PM
Grunt - Would this gas be expected to occur immediately after pinning (or on the same day)? Or could gas occuring as late as 24-48 hours after pinning also be a sign of intestinal effects?Originally Posted by Grunt76
11-01-2006, 10:56 AM
The cases I have observed all occur within about 60 minutes post-injection.Originally Posted by TeamSavage
11-01-2006, 04:44 PM
I preloaded my igf, but when it was time to pin post-workout, there was air in where the igf was loaded.
what to do,
I backloaded BW...
also is it bad to leave igf in the car?
11-02-2006, 10:25 AM
11-02-2006, 10:59 AM
Grunt, make IGF stop making me eat all the time! Please please! This is my 2nd IGF go around and my god is my appetite crazy. I can eat all day... it's worse than on-cycle.Originally Posted by Grunt76
11-02-2006, 11:14 AM
Yep I agree. There are a few things you can do. Rimonabant cuts appetite. Ectotropin also. Even a low low dose of clen, 30mcg or so, cuts the appetite. You can also take some 5-htp with rhodiola rosea, that helps some...Originally Posted by not_big_enuf
I'm sure you must be growing bro. How are you liking it?
11-02-2006, 11:17 AM
IGF is tremendous. I can't say enough about it.... I have to make sure to not slack in the gym... for some reason I almost take for granted growth on it. It's slow, gradual.. but it's there. And on PCT, you can't beat it.... it should be in everyone's PCT.Originally Posted by Grunt76
11-02-2006, 11:22 AM
do people run like clomid and novaldex with igf? cuz I heard that estrogen is good for igfOriginally Posted by not_big_enuf
11-02-2006, 11:25 AM
11-03-2006, 01:28 AM
I haven't really been feeling anything from the IGF that I've been using. I'm pinning 40 mcg twice a week but I haven't felt anything like low blood sugar or increased appetite. Do you think it would be ok to up the dose to say 50 or 60 mcg twice/week or should I stick to 40 mcg. I should add that I'm interested in IGF mainly for its fat loss effect and recovery enhancement, I don't really have any interest in getting much bigger.
11-03-2006, 07:13 AM
You're not going to lose oodles of lbs on IGF. We're talking a couple lbs a month MAYBE. If you factor that in with how much most people lose on IGF, that's pretty amazing. On the other hand, perhaps IGF on a cut would show different, more rapid fat loss.Originally Posted by mywetnightmares
11-03-2006, 07:23 AM
I know that it's not a hugely effective cutting agent. I just haven't felt any effects from it yet so I was wondering if I should increase the dose.
11-03-2006, 10:39 AM
Well not knowing how big you are, but having read the comment "I am not interested in getting any bigger" I would think you would have some good size on you. 50 and 60mcg are good doses for the larger guys.Originally Posted by mywetnightmares
11-03-2006, 06:14 PM
I'm decent sized but not big, not small. I'm looking more for performance enhancement, recovery, and body recompositioning.
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