Spinal Joint Arthritis
- 07-26-2006, 09:56 PM
Spinal Joint Arthritis
I have recently been diagnosed with arthritis in my spinal (facet?) joints which I have been dealing with for over a year. I have tried all the "natural" remedies (glucosamine, chondroitin, msm, micro-lactin) with little help. The only thing that helps me now is prescription anti-inflammitories and rest. My doc said that the cartlidge between the joints is worn down, and at 23 I don't want to just deal with it forever. I was wondering if any of you guys have heard of, or used GH for something like this, to repiar the damaged cartlidge. I haven't spoken to my doc about this yet as I am waiting on an appt. but I just wanted to throw it out there to see what you fellas thought.
Thanks a lot.
- 07-26-2006, 11:54 PM
Celadrin for lubing the joints would probably help. Cissus would be another thing worth trying.
There was a guy on the board swearing the IGf-1R3 did wonders for a bulging disk in his spine which makes some sense because the disk is very similar to tendons. IGF-1R3 has been shown to heal tendons up 300% faster. This doesn't seem to be your problem, but it may help increase spacing between vertebras allowing the pad to regrow.
You say cartilage damage which I actually think is wrong, but if it is then eating gelatin is good for repairing cartilage.
I am sure if HGH would help or not. Sorry
Cissus and celadrin are two items that are pretty safe and worth trying.
- 07-27-2006, 01:30 AM
I heartily second those options. Traction, yoga or whatever stretching you can manage to take some of the pressure off the disc pads would also aid in their repair.
IGF might work, but I feel that if the inflammation is not stopped, say with Cissus or drugs, then the joint degredation will continue on. In other words, it might help temporarily but I would focus on getting the inflammation down.
Life Extension Foundation - Highest Quality Vitamins And Supplements is a good resource for learning about how to deal with inflammatory diseases like yours.
07-27-2006, 04:40 AM
Well I had thre same problem 9 years ago which practically crippled me and left me in excruciating pain so I know exactly what you're talking about.
What you have to do is find a good chiropracter that will give you a good routine of motion excercise. These excerses bring blood flow to the area and help to rebuild the joints and lubricate the cartiladge. Things like chondroitin and MSM also will help as long as you move, and Cissus would be a good aid too. Blood flow and micro vessel support is paramount because this is typically how these joints deteriorate. Smoking is the worst thing, If you smoke, quit. If you take anything which constricts blood vessels, quit.
Also, you gotta move, and I mean do non impact moderate cardio. The stairmaster was the first thing turned the corner for me. Between that and constantly doing motion excersise to keep your lower spine active, you can rebuild the cartiladge is those facet joints.
I have. I couldn't lean forward a half inch for 6 months. Now I even do squats and have a full range of motion though I must always be super careful.
07-27-2006, 01:42 PM
Wow, thanks for the really detailed responses guys. They have given me a lot of info and I plan on trying both Cissus and Celadirn+MSM. I also have been thinking about giving one of those back decompression machines, such as the DRX9000 or VAX-D a try, my brother's buddy has done 5 sessions so far on the DRX for a herniated disc and says it's like a miracle fix and has no pain. Thanks again guys.:good:
07-28-2006, 06:13 PM
according to the company that makes reparagen, igf-1 helps repair cartilage
Reparagen: From Concept to Product :: News :: Natural and Nutritional Products Industry Center
but I don't see any references that show that igf-1 affects cartilage growth directly
07-29-2006, 11:09 AM
IGF-1 is anabolic to just about every tissue. One exception is ligament. All the other soft tissue gets regenerated by IGF-1. Other exceptions might exist, but suffice it to say that they are rare.Originally Posted by Gungalalunga
08-08-2006, 12:40 AM
hey bro, i have the same problem-spinal arthritis and cissus and celadrin andglucosamine have helped. i also did the drx-9000 and that helped w/ my disk problem along w/ lr3 igf-1. the drx and the igf-1 will help w/ bulging disks but not w/ arthritis. you need cissus, celedrin, glucosamine and most importantly physical therapy-core strengthening and stretching and that will heal ya. believe me man, i've been thru the same friggin thing. good luck!Originally Posted by JasonL
08-08-2006, 12:50 AM
i may be the guy you're talking about as i kept a log here months ago about how igf-1 decreased the pain from a herniated disk. but what i didn't know at the time is that my spine was laden w/ arthritis and this persisted for a long time until i found a good ortho-spinal surgeon and PT was the prescription. igf-1 and traction will not help spinal arthritis (spondylosis), core strengthening will.Originally Posted by Werewolf
08-08-2006, 10:34 AM
Yes you are. Good to hear from you again. So are you mostly recovered now? Sounds like it has been tough road back.Originally Posted by s.norman
08-08-2006, 12:55 PM
From your experience, someone with worn disks might benefit from IGF-1 and tractions? What else what else would you recommend, from a purely hypothetical point if view?Originally Posted by s.norman
08-08-2006, 01:50 PM
you've got that right bro, its been agony being out of the game for 1 year. i am mostly recovered except i need 4 more weeks of PT for lower back and then continue to work my abs and core to keep the low back strong. i did 6 weeks of PT for my neck and it worked wonders so i am confident that i will return shortly.Originally Posted by Werewolf
08-08-2006, 02:04 PM
well, early on igf-1 and traction machine (drx-9000) did a lot for the herniated disks which alleviated pain and numbness to my extremadies. i had dual problems thogh as evidenced by my mri. my current (OSS) ortho-spinal surgeon from the famous ROTHMAN institute said i'll be ok and that the source of my pain currently is spinal arthritis. he is conservative and i don't have nerve damage (no pain/numbness in arms or legs) so epidurals and surgery are uncalled for. thats where they draw the line so i would say i'm lucky.Originally Posted by Grunt76
i take celedrin, cissus, glucosamine, and celebrex
10-23-2006, 07:36 PM
Please Help Me...My Doctor Won't!
I know this is a an older thread, but I was just diagnosed with arthritis in my lower back (I think it was the L3,L4, and L5)...I'm 25 and was just now diagnosed with scoliosis despite having been to a couple of "specialists" in the past 30+ months. I tried talking to my doctor but he pretty much blew me off and told me to take some Meloxicam and muscle relaxers. I don't know if it's me or the docs that I have seen, but this is the third time this has happened to me.
I've been reading about others with similar problems and I'm just looking for some more feedback on more anti-inflammatories such as Cissus and anything else that would be suggested. My pain seems to be a little bit different, so I'm trying to confirm that these would still be okay for me. I have constant inflamation in my lower back, which in the last week has become much less intense via my new memory foam bed. For over two years now has been an everyday occurance to have an aching pain from lower back that travels across my hip and become more sharp as it goes down the front right side of my right thigh.
10-24-2006, 12:12 AM
I love my devil's claw root. A potent natural anti-inflammatory that does wonders for all joint problems I get my 8oz liquid bottle at kalyx.com and I take 1ml each day. You might want to go 2ml ED for the first 2 weeks or so.
10-24-2006, 12:17 AM
Thanks Grunt, reps to ya. I need to find something to help with mine as well.
10-26-2006, 07:20 PM
You gotta move.
Get a good Chiropractor, regular MD's know nothing about backs. They are totally useless.
Secondly, you must excercise. You need a set of motion excercises to stimulate circulation in the joints and keep them moving. Chondriotin, MSM, they all help.
Aerobics, and you need to stop anything that impairs your circulation.
You can heal over a period of several months and within a couple years be better than before.
Also, get rid of soft furniture with no back support. If I sit on a soft couch to this day my back starts to ache. You need firm lower back support.
Hope this helps.
11-24-2006, 05:39 PM
I had my first back problem when I was 19, I am 66 now.Originally Posted by stxnas
Lots of injections, medications chiropractor visits in between.
My last bout with my back started last June.
What is different this time is that my chiropractor (finally) found that I have unbalanced core muscles.
Think of raking leafs, shoveling snow, etc, from right to left only.
He got me to do core balancing exercise, I worked that thru excrutiating pain, there days latter and I was almost pain free.
Month latter, last Wednesday I forgot to show up for my usual visit to chiropractor, there was no pain to remin me.
Hope it is going to stay that way, my MRI and CAT scans are normal (almost).
11-24-2006, 07:59 PM
I have since started using cissus with outstanding reslults. The inflammation and pain has been at all time low over the past two years and I worked out this week for the first time in about 8 - 14 weeks. That being said, I recently got an MRI and found out that I have a herniated disc. I am going to see a specialist about that, but I think a balanced core is going to be pivotal and is a great point to take away from this.Originally Posted by JanSz
RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49
05-17-2010, 03:01 PM
Add my 2 cents. Two years ago, i had a bulding disc and my PT was not much help. I bught an inverstion table and it saved me from getting epidurals. But the pain is there when i sit or overstrain it. But the inversion table does provide immediate relief. So it was a godsend along with jacuzzi.. I tried cissus and loved it at first but i started having shortness of breath and not sure if i would blame it on the cissus. At the same time, i was taking lots of supplements. Well end it having GERD so no pills for me anymore..
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