[SprtNvolcoM]

I'm 2 weeks out from post cycle therapy. I planned on using IGF during post cycle therapy. Now, however, I've got a chance to get HGH Frag(Peptide 177-191), & MGF @ a really good price; it will arrive before PCT is to begin. So I'm considering incorperating one of these two compound to my IGF during PCT.

I've just finished reading the stickies ... LMD, XtraFlossy, & Da Game did excellent jobs in providing info on these peps. Thanks. I cant help be left with questions, however.

1: What is the proper Protocol for MGF & IGF when using these two peptides in conjunction with one another? I've seen two different protocols. Which would be most effective during my PCT in terms of keeping BF to a minimum and retaining LBM?

MGF + LR3 IGF-1 Dosage Scheme (following intense loading of lagging muscle group)

Day 1
Pre Workout (~1.5 hours)- 75-200mcg total MGF (half dosage in each side)
Post Workout- 50-100mcg x 2 MGF (left and right sides of lagging muscle) following workout

Day 2
Morning- 20mcg LR3 IGF-1
50-100mcg x 2 in lagging muscle group MGF
Afternoon-50-100mcg x 2 in lagging muscle group MGF
Late afternoon (at least 10 hours after first injection optimally)- 20mcg LR3 IGF-1

Day 3
Morning- 10-20mcg LR3 IGF-1
Late Afternoon- 10-20mcg LR3 IGF-1

Day 4
Morning- 10-20mcg LR3 IGF-1
Late Afternoon- 10-20mcg LR3 IGF-1

Day 5
Morning- 10-20mcg LR3 IGF-1
Late Afternoon- 10-20mcg LR3 IGF-1

Day 6+7 (optional)
Morning- 10-20mcg LR3 IGF-1
Late Afternoon- 10-20mcg LR3 IGF-1

Some sample MGF/IGF protocols:

3 day HST method:
MGF sun, tue, thur
IGF mon tue wed (workout days)

4 day split:
Sun MGF upper body
Monday MGF lower body IGF upper body
Tue IGF lower body
Repeat thur/fri

5 day split:
B/C MGF is not stable in the bloodstream, it will not effect the muscle you don't inject. So as long as you are using the original MGF you could inj MGF and IGF on the same days without worrying about conflicts b/t the peptides.
Just inj the MGF in the muscle you will owrk the following day.

2: Doses for MGF are very vage (20mcg to 100mcg). Should I play with doses in the first 2 weeks of PCT or is one dose optimal over another in my case? Is there a definit answer out there?

& lastky:
3: About HGH Frag(Peptide 177-191) ... do you see a place for it in a normal PCT protocol when IGF and MGF is already going to be used? When is this peptide best used, or when should it be used?

Thanks,
Sprt

[jmh80]

Re: fragment.
I think it's meant to be run in a caloric deficet - aka not PCT.
Think of it as transdermal yohimbine. (I.E. it releases fat - if you don't burn it up, it will just redeposit.)

I would save the fragment later for a cut.

Yes - good prices right now, eh??

[SprtNvolcoM]

Re: fragment.
I think it's meant to be run in a caloric deficet - aka not post cycle therapy.
Think of it as transdermal yohimbine. (I.E. it releases fat - if you don't burn it up, it will just redeposit.)

I would save the fragment later for a cut.

Yes - good prices right now, eh??

That was my assumption, but I needed reassurance. Thanks you. I went ahead and ordered the MGF & IGF anyway. I already have 1mg of IGF, but was eager to try out this brand (probably no different).

Thanks,
Sprt

PS: I'm going to sketch up a PCT protocol. I want you guys to look at it. Nothing special, but I want to make sure I'm using these peptides right.

brb ...

[SprtNvolcoM]

What dp you think about this PCT?

PCT Protocol:
- MGF @ 100mcg - Tues/Thurs/Sat/Sun (Off days)
- IGF @ 40mcg - Mon/Tue/Wen/Thurs/Fri - Sat/Sun off
- Clomid @ 100mg during wk1, 50mg wk2, wk3, & wk4
- Nolva @ 40mg during wk1, 20mg wk2, wk3, & wk4

Thanks,
Sprt

[jmh80]

LakeMount has presented some pretty compelling research that IGF every 3 days is the way to run it for longer than 4 weeks. Although - I've not seen him detail a routing for it + MGF at E3d dosing - so I'll see if I can get him to comment.
I think the 40 mcgs is good though.

I like toremifien better than clomid/nolva. Lower liver toxcity, no eye tracers, no weird emotional sides, and better at improving cholesterol profile.

YHPM...

[SprtNvolcoM]

LakeMount has presented some pretty compelling research that IGF every 3 days is the way to run it for longer than 4 weeks. Although - I've not seen him detail a routing for it + MGF at E3d dosing - so I'll see if I can get him to comment.
I think the 40 mcgs is good though.

I like toremifien better than clomid/nolva. Lower liver toxcity, no eye tracers, no weird emotional sides, and better at improving cholesterol profile.

YHPM...

LMD says research on E3D dosing with IGF is very new and at this point still just a theroy. I have been seeing a lot of other people advocating this dosing pattern, however. LMD also suggests dosing ED during post cycle therapy and E3D otherwise; which is why I chose a 5on/2off scheme for my IGF dosing.

As far as his comments on IGF + MGF, here it is:

MGF + LR3 IGF-1 Dosage Scheme (following intense loading of lagging muscle group)

Day 1
Pre Workout (~1.5 hours)- 75-200mcg total MGF (half dosage in each side)
Post Workout- 50-100mcg x 2 MGF (left and right sides of lagging muscle) following workout

Day 2
Morning- 20mcg LR3 IGF-1
50-100mcg x 2 in lagging muscle group MGF
Afternoon-50-100mcg x 2 in lagging muscle group MGF
Late afternoon (at least 10 hours after first injection optimally)- 20mcg LR3 IGF-1

Day 3
Morning- 10-20mcg LR3 IGF-1
Late Afternoon- 10-20mcg LR3 IGF-1

Day 4
Morning- 10-20mcg LR3 IGF-1
Late Afternoon- 10-20mcg LR3 IGF-1

Day 5
Morning- 10-20mcg LR3 IGF-1
Late Afternoon- 10-20mcg LR3 IGF-1

Day 6+7 (optional)
Morning- 10-20mcg LR3 IGF-1
Late Afternoon- 10-20mcg LR3 IGF-1

Now this doesnt say much in terms of dosing during PCT, but I'm sure it wont make much difference as long as the peptides are being adequately used (i.e., Dosing, Timing, ect).

Thanks,
Sprt

[jmh80]

Yeah - I agree. Go with that strategy.

Good luck!