IGF-1RL/VAR/& everything under the Sun

SprtNvolcoM · 04-18-2006, 01:54 AM

Well, I certainly appreciate your help. I at least I'm getting replies - your keeping me busy. I'd normally be reading some stupid post about "how does my cycle look." lol, I guess this is what we're doing here huh?

Much apperciated anyhow,
Sprt

SprtNvolcoM · 04-18-2006, 02:12 AM

I just realized that 100 pinz isnt going to be enough for 74 doses worth of this stuff. Lukly I'm not doing it all at once. My order better get here tomorrow, it was sent last Friday I think.

Ubiquitous: what are your thoughts on T3 - short and long term pros and cons.

**Ubiquitous** · 04-18-2006, 02:25 AM

buy another box or two of 3/10 insulin pins... you'll like 'em for IGF.. trust me.

I like T3 personally.. I like to run it with an AAS cycle as it is very synergistic.. increases protein synthesis... has quite a few benefits.. especially while bulking.. keeping fat gain to a minimum..

I just ran it for 8 weeks and never went higher than 50mcg/day. I ramped up slowly from 25mcg, maintained at 50mcg, and then tapered slowly to 12.5mcg... the taper should be the majority of the run.. There are a lot of good articles posted about optimal T3 cycles.. You can recover quite well if you taper nicely. There are also staggered on/off protocols that have some merit.

A good Thyroid PCT includes L-tyrosine, Kelp Meal, L-cysteine, Coleus Forskholin, Guggul, zinc, sellenium....

people overdo T3 I think.. guage your reaction by taking your body temp in the morning.. if it's elevated (above the normal 98.6 f) then it's working... you don't need to overdo it.. The key with anything, especially AAS or T-3.. what have you.. is to use the lowest EFFECTIVE dosage to meet your goals.... people over do sh1t and pay the price... be smart about it and take it slow.. it's not a race.

SprtNvolcoM · 04-18-2006, 02:41 AM

I was thinking about trying it. I'm ust scared of the long term cons, that being what hypothyroidism or the other? You knowwhat I'm tryng to say. And your right, I dont want to be one of those men who ar all Fd up because he over did it when he was younger all to look good or but on a few pounds of LBM.

I'm going to read into it a bit more. Its might be a nice addition to progress; that bing just tryig to lean out and get back down to 10%-12%.

By what incriments do you taper? Your in reall good shape.

SprtNvolcoM · 04-18-2006, 04:31 AM

Start Tapering ED or Eod? You would increase dose by 3mcg, 4mcg, or 5mcg incriments?? For 8 weeks. = 56 days, 28 days taper up and 28 tapering down.

**Ubiquitous** · 04-18-2006, 12:27 PM

I actually increased by 12.5mcg increments. I have 25mcg tabs and cracked them in half with my thumbs. I took them immediately in the morning upon waking. I didn't ingest anything for an hour afterwards.

Of the three "chapters" of your T3 cycle... the Taper DOWN should be the longer of the three.. I forget the recommended ratio, but Try like 30% ramp up, 30% maintenence, and 40% taper down... search around and read a little. t3 isn't supposed to permanently shut down your thyroid.. but your thyroid is slow to react to anything.. including recovery.. so treat it nicely.. it is a moderater of quite a few delicate processes in the body.. treat it nicely as you would anything else.

I actually would only run it once you are fully experienced in how your body acts to certain compounds, and when you "feel" ready... Nothing we discuss here are for beginners... that's been proven just by the amount of knowledge you need to do it safely.. you won't have someone like me holding your hand.. you know?

SprtNvolcoM · 04-18-2006, 01:15 PM

I appreciate you taking the time to converse with me over these issues. You've been a big help.

You seem to knowa lot, let me ask you. Have you ever hear of someone becoming estro sensitive from AAS use, after which they put on large emounts of fat dring PCT even without a diet change?

SprtNvolcoM · 04-18-2006, 03:47 PM

I got my kit -

blue = IGF
Green = hCH
WHT = ???
Red = ???

And their not all filled evenly. On of the white caps barely has any in it.

RSX-S · 04-18-2006, 04:29 PM

I would assume the white is the AA and the red is the diluting water or NACl

idunk42 · 04-18-2006, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RSX-S

I would assume the white is the AA and the red is the diluting water or NACl

That would be my guess as well.

SprtNvolcoM · 04-18-2006, 04:35 PM

they sure didnt give me a lot of AA then and one of the bottle is almost empty.

RSX-S · 04-18-2006, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SprtNvolcoM

they sure didnt give me a lot of AA then and one of the bottle is almost empty.

Well you don't need very much AA, only 1ml or 2ml. So, the bottles should be very small.

SprtNvolcoM · 04-18-2006, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RSX-S

Well you don't need very much AA, only 1ml or 2ml. So, the bottles should be very small.

What's the AA for anyway ... why cant i just use the delutent?

idunk42 · 04-18-2006, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SprtNvolcoM

What's the AA for anyway ... why cant i just use the delutent?

Oh boy. You should know that the only way to reconstitute the igf is to use AA, otherwise if you use the NaCl (or BW) then it will degrade the igf very quickly, and will render it useless within a few days. Just reconstitue it with the AA, and everything will be gravy.

SprtNvolcoM · 04-18-2006, 09:24 PM

::LakeMountD & Sprt holding hands::

So I have 3 Blue Top = IGF and 3 white top = AA. I mix 1ml of AA very gently into each bottle of IGF, correct? The bottle is now reconstituted. Once reconstituted the IGF must be refrigerated right? Once reconstituted, how long do I have to use it, or in other words, how long before it starts to degrade?

1ml = 1cc = 1,000mcg; right? I want 20mcg .... so ....

On the insulin needle, 100iu mark = 10mcg. I'll be looking for 2 ticks on a slin syringe which is 200ius, right right?. I'll do this with two slin pins separate to = 20mcg total; injecting that in each bicep. Now, does it matter which bicep muscle ... there is 3 muscles.

This is over the course of several months:
First cycle: Bi injections + Anavar @ 40mg to 60mg ED + Tprop @ 150mg EOD (25 days)
Second cycle: Tri injections + Anavar @ 40mg to 60mg ED + Tprop @ 150mg EOD (25 days)
Third cycle: Shoulder or Traps injections + Anavar @ 40mg to 60mg ED + Tprop @ 150mg EOD (25 days)

How much time in-between cycle should I wait? Figuring the AAS is in there I'll probably be off as long as I was on. I think I read some where 6-8 weeks is sufficient time off between IGF-1 cycles though?

Thanks,
Sprt

PS:One of my AA bottle doesnt even look like it has a full ML in it - is this oing to be a problem? I was planning on butting 1ml in each IGF vial.
PSS: And for my hCH can i just use simple BW or the left over NaCl in the IGF kits?

SprtNvolcoM · 04-19-2006, 02:30 PM

Bump

idunk42 · 04-19-2006, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SprtNvolcoM

::LakeMountD & Sprt holding hands::

So I have 3 Blue Top = IGF and 3 white top = AA. I mix 1ml of AA very gently into each bottle of IGF, correct? The bottle is now reconstituted. Once reconstituted the IGF must be refrigerated right? Once reconstituted, how long do I have to use it, or in other words, how long before it starts to degrade?

1ml = 1cc = 1,000mcg; right? I want 20mcg .... so ....

On the insulin needle, 100iu mark = 10mcg. I'll be looking for 2 ticks on a slin syringe which is 200ius, right right?. I'll do this with two slin pins separate to = 20mcg total; injecting that in each bicep. Now, does it matter which bicep muscle ... there is 3 muscles.

2 tick marks=20mcg
100 IU's = 1,000mcg's

If you plan on dosing 20mcg, you want to go to the 2nd tick mark (the smallest incrament on the syringe). It will be a very small amount. Theres no need to use two pins. I usually just use the same one for both injections, but if you feel safer doing it that way, then go for it.

LakeMountD · 04-19-2006, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SprtNvolcoM

::LakeMountD & Sprt holding hands::

So I have 3 Blue Top = IGF and 3 white top = AA. I mix 1ml of AA very gently into each bottle of IGF, correct? The bottle is now reconstituted. Once reconstituted the IGF must be refrigerated right? Once reconstituted, how long do I have to use it, or in other words, how long before it starts to degrade?

1ml = 1cc = 1,000mcg; right? I want 20mcg .... so ....

On the insulin needle, 100iu mark = 10mcg. I'll be looking for 2 ticks on a slin syringe which is 200ius, right right?. I'll do this with two slin pins separate to = 20mcg total; injecting that in each bicep. Now, does it matter which bicep muscle ... there is 3 muscles.

This is over the course of several months:
First cycle: Bi injections + Anavar @ 40mg to 60mg ED + Tprop @ 150mg EOD (25 days)
Second cycle: Tri injections + Anavar @ 40mg to 60mg ED + Tprop @ 150mg EOD (25 days)
Third cycle: Shoulder or Traps injections + Anavar @ 40mg to 60mg ED + Tprop @ 150mg EOD (25 days)

How much time in-between cycle should I wait? Figuring the AAS is in there I'll probably be off as long as I was on. I think I read some where 6-8 weeks is sufficient time off between IGF-1 cycles though?

Thanks,
Sprt

PS:One of my AA bottle doesnt even look like it has a full ML in it - is this oing to be a problem? I was planning on butting 1ml in each IGF vial.
PSS: And for my hCH can i just use simple BW or the left over NaCl in the IGF kits?

Dude wow, I basically spelled it out for you in the other post explaining the IU ticks. You have it wrong. You don't like math do ya?

SprtNvolcoM · 04-19-2006, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by idunk42

2 tick marks=20mcg
100 IU's = 1,000mcg's

If you plan on dosing 20mcg, you want to go to the 2nd tick mark (the smallest incrament on the syringe). It will be a very small amount. Theres no need to use two pins. I usually just use the same one for both injections, but if you feel safer doing it that way, then go for it.

I'll probably just use the one needle, but someone else had suggested using two - I dont know I havent even reconstituded anything yet.

So what about the other questions I asked in that last post. I honestly need answers. I want to do this write, not wste good product.

SprtNvolcoM · 04-19-2006, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by LakeMountD

Dude wow, I basically spelled it out for you in the other post explaining the IU ticks. You have it wrong. You don't like math do ya?

Tell me what I'm not getting bro. i mean you took the time to post about how big an idiot i am, you could have instead used that time helping me understand.

idunk42 · 04-19-2006, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SprtNvolcoM

::LakeMountD & Sprt holding hands::

This is over the course of several months:
First cycle: Bi injections + Anavar @ 40mg to 60mg ED + Tprop @ 150mg EOD (25 days)
Second cycle: Tri injections + Anavar @ 40mg to 60mg ED + Tprop @ 150mg EOD (25 days)
Third cycle: Shoulder or Traps injections + Anavar @ 40mg to 60mg ED + Tprop @ 150mg EOD (25 days)

How much time in-between cycle should I wait? Figuring the AAS is in there I'll probably be off as long as I was on. I think I read some where 6-8 weeks is sufficient time off between IGF-1 cycles though?

Thanks,
Sprt

PS:One of my AA bottle doesnt even look like it has a full ML in it - is this oing to be a problem? I was planning on butting 1ml in each IGF vial.
PSS: And for my hCH can i just use simple BW or the left over NaCl in the IGF kits?

You usually want to wait to do your next AAS cycle, as long as your cycle lasted plus the PCT. Not sure if your doing your Prop/anavar cycle, but lets just say your doing it for 6 weeks, then your pct is 4 weeks, that would give you a total of 10 weeks. This is how long you should wait until your next cycle.

Now for the igf, I would run the igf for @25 days at the start of your cycle, then run it again during your PCT.

idunk42 · 04-19-2006, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SprtNvolcoM

Tell me what I'm not getting bro. i mean you took the time to post about how big an idiot i am, you could have instead used that time helping me understand.

Dont get mad at Lake, its just that there is a ton of info on here about the questions that you are asking. These questions are continiously asked quite a bit. There's more than enough info on here about all the questions that you have. Just search around.

LakeMountD · 04-19-2006, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SprtNvolcoM

Tell me what I'm not getting bro. i mean you took the time to post about how big an idiot i am, you could have instead used that time helping me understand.

It isn't that bro but I spelled it out for you in my last post. I said this is = to this = to this etc. and you asked the same exact question like 5 posts later. I don't mind helping but I hate it when people come here and don't do any work for themselves! You have done no research and you say its "boring".

SprtNvolcoM · 04-19-2006, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by idunk42

You usually want to wait to do your next AAS cycle, as long as your cycle lasted plus the PCT. Not sure if your doing your Prop/anavar cycle, but lets just say your doing it for 6 weeks, then your pct is 4 weeks, that would give you a total of 10 weeks. This is how long you should wait until your next cycle.

Now for the igf, I would run the igf for @25 days at the start of your cycle, then run it again during your PCT.

I dont even want to do the anavar/Tprop. I only decided to do the AAS with the IGF because it ws my understanding it was better to do so.

I've recently finished two cycles of DNP. I let myself go to say the least. Now I'm still cutting using ECA/Clen. I have more DNP pn hand as well. My goal is just to get as lean as possible before I start this IGF.

Which brings up another question ... will IGF help cut? Or is it the HGH with Sub-Q injects?

Either way, I wana start this IGF maybe with a little anavar and lean out. I'm not looking to get big - tried it and realized I dont have the body for it (genes). I know I can get decently lean at around 185lbs. Ive done it before. Thats my goal.

SprtNvolcoM · 04-19-2006, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by LakeMountD

It isn't that bro but I spelled it out for you in my last post. I said this is = to this = to this etc. and you asked the same exact question like 5 posts later. I don't mind helping but I hate it when people come here and don't do any work for themselves! You have done no research and you say its "boring".

Maybe its just I dont understand.

idunk42 · 04-19-2006, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SprtNvolcoM

I dont even want to do the anavar/Tprop. I only decided to do the AAS with the IGF because it ws my understanding it was better to do so.

I've recently finished two cycles of DNP. I let myself go to say the least. Now I'm still cutting using ECA/Clen. I have more DNP pn hand as well. My goal is just to get as lean as possible before I start this IGF.

Which brings up another question ... will IGF help cut? Or is it the HGH with Sub-Q injects?

Either way, I wana start this IGF maybe with a little anavar and lean out. I'm not looking to get big - tried it and realized I dont have the body for it (genes). I know I can get decently lean at around 185lbs. Ive done it before. Thats my goal.

The HGH will aid more in cutting and the igf more for gaining mass. As far as you saying that your genes are holding you back from getting big may not be entirely true. When I started weight training, I was rail thin and couldnt gain any weight to save my life. In the last 4+ years i went from 165 to 215 naturally, and my entire family's genetics are horsesh1t. Now Im not sayin that it might be entirely true, but I feel that everyone can overcome their genetic drawbacks. Also with that, igf has the potential to overcome your genetics with the possibility of hyperplasia taking place.

IMO, I would devise a cycle like this.

WK 1-6: test prop/anavar
run the igf for 25 days, then start it again once you start your pct
also run the HGH throughout the entire cycle.

SprtNvolcoM · 04-19-2006, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by idunk42

IMO, I would devise a cycle like this.

WK 1-6: test prop/anavar
run the igf for 25 days, then start it again once you start your pct
also run the HGH throughout the entire cycle.

Why not run IGF first, then Run AAS?? Same difference isnt it? I have 3 kits by the way. So three 25 day IGF cycles.

idunk42 · 04-19-2006, 04:07 PM

Yeah, you could also do that if you wanted. The only thing is that you wanna make sure you wait a sufficient amount of time before running another igf cycle. Usually this means waiting about the same time that you initially ran it. With the proposed cycle you plan on running it only makes sense to run it at the beginning of your cycle, and then during pct in order to solidify the gains you make while on cycle.

LakeMountD · 04-19-2006, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SprtNvolcoM

Maybe its just I dont understand.

Look I don't have anything against you but your questions are things you could easily find in other posts. If you were asking on something like proliferation, differentiation, or something specific like that but this is simple math. Here it is one more time.

1mL=1cc=100IU

Therefore, 2iu tick marks=20mcg OF PRODUCT

Now stay with me... 5iu tick marks= 50 mcg product. Doesn't matter how big the syringe is, an IU is an IU is an IU.

Cool?

idunk42 · 04-19-2006, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LakeMountD

Look I don't have anything against you but your questions are things you could easily find in other posts. If you were asking on something like proliferation, differentiation, or something specific like that but this is simple math. Here it is one more time.

1mL=1cc=100IU

Therefore, 2iu tick marks=20mcg OF PRODUCT

Now stay with me... 5iu tick marks= 50 mcg product. Doesn't matter how big the syringe is, an IU is an IU is an IU.

Cool?

Hey lake, how many IU's is equal to 1IU? Just playin bro. Way to be patient with this guy. Your the man by the way when it comes to igf/mgf.