Mechano Growth Factor (MGF) and Insulin-Like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1) Information Link
02-04-2008 05:51 PM
i want less as possible not to go systemic, so def PWO. but im confused on the mgf if it conflicts with igf and how many days apart etc..? it seems know one really knows yet, ive read a lot of defferent ways to do mgf, one was (24hr before workout, then igf pwo), or (mgf pwo then igf one hr later in muscle trained), or (mgf 24hr before workout then igf 3 days later in same muscle)???? so i think i might drop the mgf and just stick with igf 20mcg PWO in muscle trained EOD.!
02-05-2008 06:23 PM
How much mgf would I need to see effects over a couse of 12 weeks. Could I in theroy lift the same weights each week and gain from Mgf? I have been trying to improve my form with few of my work outs i.e barbell curl and bench so I have stayed with the same weight for a few weeks. How much could one expect to gain over 12 weeks on mgf?
02-11-2008 02:56 AM
So my buddy got some pegmgf and was wondering if 3 times a week low dosage would be good or is that not needed? Hes going to sub q it in stomach area as its all the same IM or subq it still gets in the blood.
He bought 14mg and may share it with me. I cant do it at my house as my room mate band it. I may be going over to his house after a work out.
Originally Posted by TheGame46
02-18-2008 10:39 AM
I personally recommend twice a week or less. Do not exceed two times per week. MGF in high dosages with high frequency can actually prevent IGF from differentiating muscle cells for growth. MGF is just the catalyst that brings satellite cells to the effected area, but you need IGF-1 to actually differentiate them.
Oddly enough MGF will actually inhibit IGF-1 differentiation. Not sure why this is, but those are the facts .
02-18-2008 12:08 PM
Well I am doing GHRP6 with MGF for that reason. Does that sound like a good stack?
03-04-2008 06:23 AM
Say I did 200mcg(50mcg in each bi and 50mcg in each tri)pegmgf 12hours before you train and then 100mcgigflr3 pwo 4 times a week...would I see the same results doing your recommended dosage ?LMK cus I cant see it
Has anyone tried this and gotten results?Not to be confrontational,but what seems logical from a scientific stand point not always tests so well in the field.
03-10-2008 12:19 PM
First off your dosage of LR3 IGF-1 is absolutely insane. Your receptors are going to downregulate extremely fast and the effect seen by using IGF-1 is going to whither away much faster than if you used 10-20mcg every other day or 10mcg every day before breakfast. Peptide hormones aren't made for getting huge honestly. They are there to aid in the process but IGF-1, in my opinion, is better suited to help you lean out by controlling blood sugar levels all day, which is a huge plus. As for the PEG-MGF you don't need to spot inject it. It goes systemic and need not be put in multiple places, it will make it to all parts of the body. Not sure how often you do PEG-MGF but you only need it 1-2 times per week. Anymore than 2x per week and you're seriously decreasing the rate at which you can grow.
Originally Posted by AESDLD
Remember this stuff is for research purposes only and all posts I make about dosages and injecting are merely for hypothetical situations.
03-10-2008 12:45 PM
I agree. 1 to 2 times a week is more than enough and subq works. Why? It gets in the blood with in 90 seconds or so and starts to circulate any how so what is the purpose to site/spot inject if its going to get in your blood any way by the end.
03-27-2008 01:35 AM
Originally Posted by djbombsquad
the purpose of site injecting would be some localised effect at the injection site. I have to argue this that even with pegMGF you will still get some localised effect as you do with LR3 IGF-1 before it goes systemic.
and I dont buy the whole pegMGF thing anyway, regular IM shots of the non-peg gave me noticeable localised growth and same goes for the few guys at my gym using it. and it also wont interfere with your IGF-1, thats something to think about.
03-27-2008 02:45 AM
I buy the whole pegmgf. I bought it few months ago at a discount and people are noticing the difference with me.
03-27-2008 03:02 AM
Originally Posted by djbombsquad
how did you incorporate it while running it with IGF-1? just seems to me that the prolonged systemic life will interfere as its been said many times that IGF-1 and MGF can not do their thing simultaneously.
also i think you got me wrong. im not saying it doesnt work im just saying that regular mgf shots with igf-1 could bring you more site specific growth. ive witnessed this in people i know and they had extremely noticeable size gains locally.
03-27-2008 11:52 AM
I used ghrp6 instead of igf1/2
03-27-2008 12:41 PM
how affective are the new peptides like igf 2 and ghrp2
03-27-2008 01:39 PM
IGF2 from what IV been reading is just a upgrade to igf1 nothing to drastic.
03-27-2008 03:16 PM
so its better than igf 1? what about being better than lr3? Would you use it the same as lr3? Sorry for all the questions lol
03-27-2008 03:36 PM
igf2 is like non-lr3 igf1. Therefore short half life. doesnt stay active in body very long. if someone came up with an igf-2, lr3 then that would be interesting.
03-27-2008 03:36 PM
I don't know much about igf2? Just learning about it as we write. It is fairly new.
03-31-2008 02:58 PM
It was never a question of whether regular MGF worked. Many people who used it saw a lot of great effects from it as they should have. The problem with regular MGF is the fragility of the peptide itself under reconstituted conditions. The proper storage was well below what a normal freezer could operate at and it typically began degrading after 5-7 days even in the freezer. PEG-MGF was highly stable in solution.
Originally Posted by pumbertot
03-31-2008 10:31 PM
Originally Posted by LakeMountD
thanks for clearing that up mate. yes i agree but it appears stable enough(at least for me) to make great gains.
that said pegMGF also appears to be usefull but not so much for loclaised growth(although it does induce it too).
10-05-2008 12:44 AM
MGF VS PEGMGF....I know on paper that peg mgf is superior b ut doing mgf 4x a week,i got great results...and the price is half that of peg mgf.I like the localized part of it...and its my opinion when taking insulin mgf last up to 12 hours ...insulin makes gh and igf lasts longer so,I'm assuming it does mgf,can anyone confirm this / thank you
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