Mechano Growth Factor (MGF) and Insulin-Like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1) Information Link
- 01-09-2007, 06:52 PM
- 01-09-2007, 10:09 PM
Originally Posted by Goat
I allready read it. It was a good read, but nothing we here at AM didnt allready know for months.
- 01-09-2007, 11:04 PM
Originally Posted by Goat
02-05-2007, 03:26 PM
03-14-2007, 05:02 PM
03-14-2007, 08:26 PM
03-16-2007, 04:37 PM
04-09-2007, 10:44 AM
...What exactly does that mean?These results are based on actual transplantation of the DNA coding for the peptides. This is a permanent effect and much more potent than IM injections of the peptide itself. You will not see a 20% increase in muscle mass through IM injections as claimed above.
04-09-2007, 03:28 PM
by the cells selves, yielding in a more or less permanent MGF production.
There was a study on IGF transfection in cartilage with artificially induced damage to show, that its usability in regenreation of damaged cartilage.
BTW what is a good dose for MGF -250mcg? I used to see good results with 60mcg LR3 IGF-1, if thatīd be evne closely comparable.
04-09-2007, 03:39 PM
I'm confused on that
04-09-2007, 03:46 PM
It means, that if you donīt insert the MGF gene wth a plasmidvector into your muscle cells, you wonīt get the results of 20% additional muslce weight, if you just inject it, itīd be a few minutes peak, compared to 24h .... thatīs why PEGlation and thatīs why IGF-1 is used either in conjunction with IGFBP-3 or as the Long R version.
IGF-1 has to be infused over several hours to be effective or at very high doses several times a day, i.e. some mgīs 3-4x daily, if not done as above mentioned.
Iīve read that GH increases mainly all of those factors, so maybe a high dose gh is best along wit Long R 3, although somehow it loses its potency in me, I think (def. not the stuff I had the 1. time I used it).
Never tried the PEG MGF and definately felt something of either the 4iu blue tops or the normal MGF (IV injection) or the combination, ... will try MGF again tonight.
10-01-2007, 02:54 PM
Would mgf be effective for a cyclist. Ive done several cycles of IGF-1lr3 and aas. The lr3 still worries me a bit. I also do a great deal leg breaking weight workouts 2 days a week off cycle EOD on cycle aas.
10-02-2007, 02:32 PM
Im looking into MGF during final part of my current pct. I cycle everyday and lift heavily throughout the week. Would it be better to inject after my cardio and before the weights. How long should i wait to workout after i inject.
10-02-2007, 04:21 PM
there is a mgf handbook that i downloaded that would be very helpful to you and answer your questions. let me find it and I will try and direct you to it.
10-02-2007, 05:26 PM
Thanks a lot, i just ordered some mgf today.
10-03-2007, 09:15 AM
Ok i know tis his an old thread but what about Peg mgf? I am planning on running it alone during pct. Sense im not injecting lr3 should i inject 24hrs before or pwo?
10-15-2007, 09:25 PM
How much bac water should be added to a 2mg vial of peg mgf powder?
11-28-2007, 07:04 PM
02-02-2008, 10:57 AM
what is the best way to run pegmgf/igf now a day's. there is so many different thoughts.
i was thinking this way from what ive been reading from THE GAMES info.
sunday - off day, 100mcg of pegmgf in each bicep.
monday- workout bi/tri /PWO 20mcg of igf in each bi.
tuesday-workout shoulders/pwo20mcg igf in each delt
wed- off day, 100mcg pegmgf in each chest muscle.
thur- workout chest/pwo20mcg igf in each pec.
fri- workout back/pwo 25mcg igf in each lat
sun- off day, 100mcg pegmgf in each delt
mon- workout shoulders/pwo 20mcg igf in each delt.
but then a lot of people say eod with igf, so maybe this way.
sunday-off day,100mcg pegmgf in each bicep
monday- workout legs
tuesday-workout bi/tri /pwo igf 20mcg in each bi
wed-off day,100mcg pegmgf in each chest muscle
thurs-workout chest/pwo igf 20mcg in each chest
friday- workout shoulders
sat- workout back/pwo igf 25mcg in each lat
sunday- off day, pegmgf 100mcg
02-04-2008, 04:06 PM
Is it best do after a work out or before bed time? I was thinking if one was to do it 3 times a week that would be good or low dose 5 times a week. Stomach would work right?
02-04-2008, 04:51 PM
i want less as possible not to go systemic, so def PWO. but im confused on the mgf if it conflicts with igf and how many days apart etc..? it seems know one really knows yet, ive read a lot of defferent ways to do mgf, one was (24hr before workout, then igf pwo), or (mgf pwo then igf one hr later in muscle trained), or (mgf 24hr before workout then igf 3 days later in same muscle)???? so i think i might drop the mgf and just stick with igf 20mcg PWO in muscle trained EOD.!
02-05-2008, 05:23 PM
How much mgf would I need to see effects over a couse of 12 weeks. Could I in theroy lift the same weights each week and gain from Mgf? I have been trying to improve my form with few of my work outs i.e barbell curl and bench so I have stayed with the same weight for a few weeks. How much could one expect to gain over 12 weeks on mgf?
02-11-2008, 01:56 AM
So my buddy got some pegmgf and was wondering if 3 times a week low dosage would be good or is that not needed? Hes going to sub q it in stomach area as its all the same IM or subq it still gets in the blood.
He bought 14mg and may share it with me. I cant do it at my house as my room mate band it. I may be going over to his house after a work out.
02-18-2008, 09:39 AM
I personally recommend twice a week or less. Do not exceed two times per week. MGF in high dosages with high frequency can actually prevent IGF from differentiating muscle cells for growth. MGF is just the catalyst that brings satellite cells to the effected area, but you need IGF-1 to actually differentiate them.
Oddly enough MGF will actually inhibit IGF-1 differentiation. Not sure why this is, but those are the facts .
02-18-2008, 11:08 AM
Well I am doing GHRP6 with MGF for that reason. Does that sound like a good stack?
03-04-2008, 05:23 AM
Say I did 200mcg(50mcg in each bi and 50mcg in each tri)pegmgf 12hours before you train and then 100mcgigflr3 pwo 4 times a week...would I see the same results doing your recommended dosage ?LMK cus I cant see it
Has anyone tried this and gotten results?Not to be confrontational,but what seems logical from a scientific stand point not always tests so well in the field.
03-10-2008, 11:19 AM
Remember this stuff is for research purposes only and all posts I make about dosages and injecting are merely for hypothetical situations.
03-10-2008, 11:45 AM
I agree. 1 to 2 times a week is more than enough and subq works. Why? It gets in the blood with in 90 seconds or so and starts to circulate any how so what is the purpose to site/spot inject if its going to get in your blood any way by the end.
03-27-2008, 12:35 AM
the purpose of site injecting would be some localised effect at the injection site. I have to argue this that even with pegMGF you will still get some localised effect as you do with LR3 IGF-1 before it goes systemic.
and I dont buy the whole pegMGF thing anyway, regular IM shots of the non-peg gave me noticeable localised growth and same goes for the few guys at my gym using it. and it also wont interfere with your IGF-1, thats something to think about.
03-27-2008, 01:45 AM
I buy the whole pegmgf. I bought it few months ago at a discount and people are noticing the difference with me.
03-27-2008, 02:02 AM
how did you incorporate it while running it with IGF-1? just seems to me that the prolonged systemic life will interfere as its been said many times that IGF-1 and MGF can not do their thing simultaneously.
also i think you got me wrong. im not saying it doesnt work im just saying that regular mgf shots with igf-1 could bring you more site specific growth. ive witnessed this in people i know and they had extremely noticeable size gains locally.
03-27-2008, 10:52 AM
I used ghrp6 instead of igf1/2
03-27-2008, 11:41 AM
how affective are the new peptides like igf 2 and ghrp2
03-27-2008, 12:39 PM
IGF2 from what IV been reading is just a upgrade to igf1 nothing to drastic.
03-27-2008, 02:16 PM
so its better than igf 1? what about being better than lr3? Would you use it the same as lr3? Sorry for all the questions lol
03-27-2008, 02:36 PM
igf2 is like non-lr3 igf1. Therefore short half life. doesnt stay active in body very long. if someone came up with an igf-2, lr3 then that would be interesting.
03-27-2008, 02:36 PM
I don't know much about igf2? Just learning about it as we write. It is fairly new.
03-31-2008, 01:58 PM
03-31-2008, 09:31 PM
10-04-2008, 11:44 PM
MGF VS PEGMGF....I know on paper that peg mgf is superior b ut doing mgf 4x a week,i got great results...and the price is half that of peg mgf.I like the localized part of it...and its my opinion when taking insulin mgf last up to 12 hours ...insulin makes gh and igf lasts longer so,I'm assuming it does mgf,can anyone confirm this / thank you
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