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  1. Re: Mechano Growth Factor (MGF) and Insulin-Like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1) Information


    Quote Originally Posted by LakeMountD
    It isn't needed though just so you realize that.
    I understand that Lake, I just do it from potentially wasting a little bit of the igf, plus i feel gipt only injecting that little of substance.

  2. Re: Mechano Growth Factor (MGF) and Insulin-Like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1) Information


    Quote Originally Posted by idunk42
    I understand that Lake, I just do it from potentially wasting a little bit of the igf, plus i feel gipt only injecting that little of substance.
    Haha easy killer that was written towards him not you . I know you know that, I just didn't want him to think he couldn't use his IGF at all if he didn't have it.
    PharmD
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  3. Re: Mechano Growth Factor (MGF) and Insulin-Like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1) Information


    Quote Originally Posted by LakeMountD
    Haha easy killer that was written towards him not you . I know you know that, I just didn't want him to think he couldn't use his IGF at all if he didn't have it.
    LOL.....ok my bad. Today's and off day, so i got some built up energy and emotion.

  4. Just started IGF-1 would like to stack with aas for strength. thinking of dianabol. Is it best to take at the same time or in between cycles. Im an undurance athlete so my cycle is for strength only.

    Best
    Preston25

  5. Quote Originally Posted by preston25
    Just started IGF-1 would like to stack with aas for strength. thinking of dianabol. Is it best to take at the same time or in between cycles. Im an undurance athlete so my cycle is for strength only.

    Best
    Preston25
    Well you probably dont wanna run dbol without any test. Also, if your an endurance athlete, Im not sure if dbol is what your looking for. It has a tendency to make you hold quite a bit of water. Do some more reading on this board about AAS in general, to help you get a better grasp of the subject.
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  6. And why are you going for strength as an endurance athlete? It is sort of two different muscle fibers completely.

    IGF works great in synergy with AAS and during PCT, whichever you prefer. In theory it is best if used with AAS since the increased anabolism could increase hyperplasia more so than without it.
    PharmD

  7. Quote Originally Posted by basskiller
    Very nice LMD

    You may want to have your study listed like this.
    It's very much easier for people to see what works best throughout your member study..
    Again, Really Nice!!!



    Members were asked:
    1. How many cycles have you done?
    JBlaze: Only one so far. Did it during PCT. My next cycle will be during an AAS cycle.
    ManBeast: One cycle of IGF1-LR3 during PCT.
    Nuteboy: How many cycles have you done? One cycle.
    Longdog: 2 cycles of IGF1-LR3. 1 off cycle & 1 during PCT.
    BryanFury: One stand alone cycle
    er700: 1 cycle along with test and eq
    IntResearch: 2
    Raprazant: 1

    2. How long were you on igf-1?
    JBlaze: 21 days, at this point i noticed the gains stopped coming, so i decided to come off.
    ManBeast: 28 days.
    Nuteboy: Five weeks.
    Longdog: 4 weeks & 3 weeks
    BryanFury: 22 days
    er700: 25 days
    IntResearch: 1 month
    Raprazant: 30 days

    3. How many mcg did you use?
    JBlaze: I used 40mcg in the beginning and bumped it up to 60 mcg. At 60mcg i noticed better results, so my next cycle will consist of 60mcg throughout.
    ManBeast: 30mcg ED
    Nuteboy: First three days I used 200mcg per day but once I was told how to calculate mcg's I'd do 40mcg per day.
    Longdog: 30mcg ED
    BryanFury: 40mcg ED
    er700: 40
    IntResearch: 40/75
    Raprazant: 100 mcg/day with one day off every 6 days

    4. How many times a day did you shoot?
    JBlaze: Once a day after my workout, and first thing in the morning on non-workout days.
    ManBeast: Once a day, sometime after my workout.
    Nuteboy:.Once per day. Usually after my workout.
    Longdog: Once a day, IM bilaterally into muscle worked, immediately after training.
    BryanFury: Once a day, pre-workout
    er700: once a day after workouts
    IntResearch: Once
    Raprazant: once, after workouts

    5. How much fat loss and muscle gain was there overall?
    JBlaze: Gained 4lbs of muscle and lost 1.5lbs of fat. Keep in mind this cycle was during PCT.
    ManBeast: Lost some fat and gained definition during PCT.
    Nuteboy: How much fat loss and muscle gain was there overall? Difficult to figure how much fat lost but I am leaner this offseason than last year.
    The first four days I gained 4 to 5lbs. Overall I'd say 8lbs of solid muscle.
    Longdog: Once a day, IM bilaterally into muscle worked, immediately after training.
    BryanFury: Lost some fat, body comp. changed overall. Gained roughly 5lbs.
    er700: ~2 pounds of muscle and loss ~ 3 pounds of fat. At the time I was getting ready for a powerlifting comp. and was eating very clean to get my bwt. down to 220, I normally weigh over 240.
    IntResearch: 2 loss, 5 gain
    Raprazant: 6 lbs. of fat loss, 4 lbs of muscle gain give or take a lb of each

    6. How likely are you to use it again?
    JBlaze: I already have 2 bottles sitting here, and i got 2 more on the way. I'll never do PCT w/o this again.
    ManBeast: Very likely.
    Nuteboy: Very. I will use it again "offseason" but will include insulin.
    Longdog: Will definitely use it again, but will use 40mcg or more.
    BryanFury: Plan on a second 4 weeks after the last ended.
    er700: Definitely, getting ready to use it along with my PCT
    IntResearch: very likely, only dislike was getting sleepy after injecting
    Raprazant: very likely but with hgh

    7. What strength gains did you see?
    JBlaze: Hardly any at all, but then i do extremely slow concentrated movements, i rarely go up in weight.
    ManBeast: I don't attribute the strength gains made to this, more to the low-rep lifting scheme I was using.
    Nuteboy: Not much in the strength gains as I normally lift heavy.
    I would not say IGF made me stronger but made me look FULL as hell.
    Longdog: No strength gains. Look elsewhere if that's what you want, this is not an androgen.
    BryanFury: Strength was placebo effect I think. Muscles did get more full with increased vascularity.

    8. Finally did you use AAS with the IGF -1?
    JBlaze: This cycle it was igf-1 alone, but my next cycle i will be using it week 5-9 of my AAS cycle. Then my 3rd and final cycle for a while will be during my last 2 weeks on AAS, and 2 weeks into PCT.
    ManBeast: Nope
    Nuteboy: Yes. I used Test and Deca.
    Longdog: No, but I will use it on a cycle next time.
    BryanFury: No

    Worthy of a bump. Excellent advice.

  8. Thanks for the reply, im looking for something to cycle in with my igf-1. aas. something that doesnt create water gain, but increases strength. i welcome ideas but will keep researching.

    preston25
  9. Re: Mechano Growth Factor (MGF) and Insulin-Like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1) Information


    Quote Originally Posted by LakeMountD
    Sheesh I got completely shut out of that one hahaha.
    Thought you could use a break!!!

  10. Is the MGF by IBE short acting or the LR3?
  11. Re: Mechano Growth Factor (MGF) and Insulin-Like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1) Information


    Quote Originally Posted by joebig
    Is the MGF by IBE short acting or the LR3?
    There is no such thing as LR3 MGF. There is, however, LR3 IGF-1, which is longer acting then rhIGF-1, which is seen in the medical field.

    There is a longer version of MGF coming out too, though. It is the PEGylated version.
    PharmD

  12. @LakeMountD

    I quote what you posted recently on b o d y b u i l d i n g . c o m :

    The most recent update was the biggest one and if you haven't downloaded it recently, definitely go get the new one. It was recently found that IGF-1Ea is the actual activation mechanism of stem cells and not MGF as in Dr. Goldspink's older results. That is a huge discovery by the way and is explained in the article.

    Do you have any additional info on this at this time??
  13. Re: Mechano Growth Factor (MGF) and Insulin-Like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1) Information


    Quote Originally Posted by BassD
    @LakeMountD

    I quote what you posted recently on b o d y b u i l d i n g . c o m :




    Do you have any additional info on this at this time??
    Still the same info. The problem occurred in Dr. Goldspink's older studies. When he first began research on MGF he hypothesized that it was responsible for not only proliferation (brining in of myoblasts) but also for differentiation (activation of these myoblasts). This, however, proved to not be true in newer studies and actually it was wrong to a very large degree as it was found that not only did MGF not differentiate myoblasts but it actually inhibited myoblasts from differentiating (this is his newest hypothesis). They now say that IGF-1Ea is responsible for the differentiation, which is good for all the LR3 IGF-1 users out there. MGF still has its place as something that has a lot of potential, especially with the longer lasting PEGylated version coming out, but it will take much longer to figure out how to use it synergistically with LR3 IGF-1 since it does inhibit differentiation.

    We basically have to determine how we can dose this stuff to where we get a large influx of myoblasts without inhibiting differentiation. I also still believe LR3 IGF-1 and MGF stacked together are the best way to go. With the large amount of IGF-1 we are getting, we need the extra myoblasts and with all the myoblasts being proliferated by the MGF, you are going to want the added anabolism.
    PharmD
  14. Re: Mechano Growth Factor (MGF) and Insulin-Like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1) Information


    Quote Originally Posted by LakeMountD
    Still the same info. The problem occurred in Dr. Goldspink's older studies. When he first began research on MGF he hypothesized that it was responsible for not only proliferation (brining in of myoblasts) but also for differentiation (activation of these myoblasts). This, however, proved to not be true in newer studies and actually it was wrong to a very large degree as it was found that not only did MGF not differentiate myoblasts but it actually inhibited myoblasts from differentiating (this is his newest hypothesis). They now say that IGF-1Ea is responsible for the differentiation, which is good for all the LR3 IGF-1 users out there. MGF still has its place as something that has a lot of potential, especially with the longer lasting PEGylated version coming out, but it will take much longer to figure out how to use it synergistically with LR3 IGF-1 since it does inhibit differentiation.

    We basically have to determine how we can dose this stuff to where we get a large influx of myoblasts without inhibiting differentiation. I also still believe LR3 IGF-1 and MGF stacked together are the best way to go. With the large amount of IGF-1 we are getting, we need the extra myoblasts and with all the myoblasts being proliferated by the MGF, you are going to want the added anabolism.
    With this in mind, what do you think of adding some Arachidonic acid (key ingredient in "X-Factor") into a stack of MGF and LR3 IGF-1 ??

    Arachidonic acid intensifies IGF-1 signaling, and supports muscle hypertrophy by increasing satellite cell (myoblast) fusion in muscle fibers.

    Or maybe an cheaper option.... replacing the LR3 IGF-1 with Arachidonic acid ??
  15. Re: Mechano Growth Factor (MGF) and Insulin-Like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1) Information


    Quote Originally Posted by BassD
    With this in mind, what do you think of adding some Arachidonic acid (key ingredient in "X-Factor") into a stack of MGF and LR3 IGF-1 ??

    Arachidonic acid intensifies IGF-1 signaling, and supports muscle hypertrophy by increasing satellite cell (myoblast) fusion in muscle fibers.

    Or maybe an cheaper option.... replacing the LR3 IGF-1 with Arachidonic acid ??
    Well replacing it with the acid would be the difference between taking DHEA or injecting straight test, HUGE difference. I don't see the arachidoic acid hurting anything while taking IGF-1, so I mean obviously yea you could do that although I seriously doubt it has too profound of an effect.

    Lr3 is about 3 times as potent as regular IGF-1 and the half life is MUCH MUCH longer and will easily last you more than half the day.
    PharmD

  16. Just a suggestion,..
    There have been many that have responded well to X-factor / AA. for a while, actually replacing LR3 with AA will be as effective as LMD stated.
    However, adding AA along with your LR3, while maybe not the cheapest thing to do, may be a good idea for gains if done like 20 some days before the end of your IGF run.
    It seems like the gains from AA come around day 25 for most, as it takes a while to build levels up.
    Oh,.. and you must consider the pumps. LR3 can cause some pretty mean pumps, and AA (in me) caused some pretty mean burning/pain in my muscles. But if your doing alright now, I dont forsee it being a showstopper.
    Basicly, adding it to LR3 would be great, but plan it to really be kicking in after 20-some days. Plan accordingly.
    I know that you can find anothe rproduct beside X-factor, the runs about $20 cheaper then actual X-factor

  17. Isnt the main benefit of x-factor/AA the heightened production of prostaglandidns? And isnt the prostaglandin that's supposed to be helpful for muscle building PGF2a? And doesnt x-factor/AA cost around the same as a bottle of PGF2a? (or maybe even a little bit more?) Or is there some other benefit of x-factor that Im missing?
    Cuz I've mixed injectable PGF2a w/ LR3 IGF, and didnt notice much of an advantage over LR3 alone. And other's I've spoken to were also dissapointed in the alleged anabolic effects of PGF alone. (of course anything as overhyped as PGF2a was in the early reports is bound to dissapoint.)
    So if AA is giving people anabolic effects, then there must be another pathway through wich it benefits muscle building. It also boosts PGE-1, but thats supposed to just be an inflammatory, and as far as I know was not known for increasing skeletal muscle anabolism.

    So, what gives?

  18. I beleive ther eare also claims of hormonal "balance" to AA as well. YEs, supposedly, the xtra signaling is supposed to d oas you described. I basicly thought that it was the proflamitory actions that induced the anabolic response (along with PGF2a). Now, by what pathways specificly that drives the anabolic response I am unsure of. But basicly, it was making your body think that more damage had occured.

    I do not know the price of a bottle of PGF2a, but I picked up some Hyper-H for about $30.00 a bottle.
    If you didnt notice much, and I remember like 5 injections were needed daily or something... then the "hormonal amplification" and proflamitory probably has something to do with it.
    I however, did not notice any gains, or fatloss from 50 days worth. However, that is not to say that others have not.

  19. Hmmmm, you might be on to something w/ that PGE1 making the body think more damage has occured. What if we used PGE1 or AA to make better use of our MGF? Of course that would probably work even better if we added IGF. Wich would be even more expensive than just IGF and AA.Or IGF and one of the main two prostaglandins. I also dont see anyone but anti-aging/sexual disfunction clinics carrying PGE1. (Yeah they actually have dudes injecting it in their weiner's.) EEEEEYOUTCH!!!

  20. Quote Originally Posted by UnicronSpawn
    Hmmmm, you might be on to something w/ that PGE1 making the body think more damage has occured. What if we used PGE1 or AA to make better use of our MGF? Of course that would probably work even better if we added IGF. Wich would be even more expensive than just IGF and AA.Or IGF and one of the main two prostaglandins. I also dont see anyone but anti-aging/sexual disfunction clinics carrying PGE1. (Yeah they actually have dudes injecting it in their weiner's.) EEEEEYOUTCH!!!
    Im sure that is would be a GREAT inclusion to a MGF cycle. I was only able to try it some at the end of my IGF cycle, and I didnt overlap that much, so I still had kick-in times of 10+ days berfore the AA should have shown any bennifit.

    Of course, the more the merrier in response to your stacking suggestions, I actually had planned on using MGF with my AA, but the MGF fell through, and I just used the AA.

  21. CORRECTION: I read a little yesterday and realized that it was PGE2, not PGE1 (wich is what I was calling it in a previous post) that was the pro inflamatory one that some guys inject in their weiners. It's also one of the ones made by AA conversion via Cox2. Turns out the real PGE1 is actually ANTI-inflamatory and is synthesized from GLA not AA. I think PGF2 is also synthesized from the AA, but the thing I was reading yesterday didnt go into PGF2a synthesis, just PGE1 and PGE2.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by xtraflossy
    Im sure that is would be a GREAT inclusion to a MGF cycle. I was only able to try it some at the end of my IGF cycle, and I didnt overlap that much, so I still had kick-in times of 10+ days berfore the AA should have shown any bennifit.

    Of course, the more the merrier in response to your stacking suggestions, I actually had planned on using MGF with my AA, but the MGF fell through, and I just used the AA.
    Why not IGF-1 with the MGF instead of AA?
    I really would like to make the best profits out of my MGF-cycle, but with the IGF-1 included it would be a pain to my wallet. So if I can get good results with the AA included instead of the IGF-1 this would be great! So I'm interested in your view on this.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by BassD
    Why not IGF-1 with the MGF instead of AA?
    I really would like to make the best profits out of my MGF-cycle, but with the IGF-1 included it would be a pain to my wallet. So if I can get good results with the AA included instead of the IGF-1 this would be great! So I'm interested in your view on this.
    Lol- I had PLANNED on all 3. I received my LR3, had my AA,.. but the MGF I was expecting never happened.
    Sorry, I wasn't tring to imply that I'd rather use MGF+AA over combining all 3.
    When the new peg. version comes out, I'm going to use that solo though. Turns out, after 2 attempts, I just dont really get anything out of AA

  24. Quote Originally Posted by xtraflossy
    Lol- I had PLANNED on all 3. I received my LR3, had my AA,.. but the MGF I was expecting never happened.
    Sorry, I wasn't tring to imply that I'd rather use MGF+AA over combining all 3.
    When the new peg. version comes out, I'm going to use that solo though. Turns out, after 2 attempts, I just dont really get anything out of AA
    Oh misunderstood you there

    Do you think de PEGylated version will give good results on its own?
  25. Re: Mechano Growth Factor (MGF) and Insulin-Like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1) Information


    Quote Originally Posted by BassD
    Oh misunderstood you there

    Do you think de PEGylated version will give good results on its own?
    It will definitely be more beneficial in the sense that the half life is going to be extended significantly. Most of the studies conducted by Dr. Goldspink use the PEGylated version due to the fact it has a longer half life, much like LR3 IGF-1 compared to hIGF-1Ea
    PharmD
  26. Re: Mechano Growth Factor (MGF) and Insulin-Like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1) Information


    Quote Originally Posted by LakeMountD
    It will definitely be more beneficial in the sense that the half life is going to be extended significantly. Most of the studies conducted by Dr. Goldspink use the PEGylated version due to the fact it has a longer half life, much like LR3 IGF-1 compared to hIGF-1Ea
    Results should be more interesting this time around :bb:

  27. Wow ... great read and awsome work bros. Posted a link on VIP
  28. PEGylated MGF Profile


    PEGylated Mechano Growth Factor (MGF)

    Quick summary: MGF is a splice variant of the IGF produced by a frame shift if the IGF gene. MGF increase the muscle stem cell count, so that more may fuse and become part of adult muscle cells. This is a process required for adult muscle cells to continue growing.

    Why PEGylate MGF?
    MGF exhibits local effects in skeletal muscle and without modification is not systemic (can’t travel through the body). The problem with synthetic MGF is that it is introduced IM and is water based so it goes into the blood stream. MGF is not stable in the blood stream for more than a matter of minutes. Biologically produced MGF is made locally and does not enter the bloodstream and is short acting so stability is not an issue. By PEGylating the MGF we can make synthetic MGF injected IM almost as efficient as local produced MGF. Clinically proven Advanced Pegylation, the technology of polyethylene glycol (PEG) conjugation, holds significant promise in maintaining effective plasma concentrations of systemically administered drugs. It does this by surrounding part of the peptide with a unique structure made of polyethylene glycol, which can be attached to a protein molecule. The result of a correct PEGylation is simlar to the protective mechanism of a turtle shell. The polyethylene glycol groups protect the peptide but don’t surround it completely. The active sites of the peptide are still free to do their biological function. In this case the shell is a negative charged shield against positively charged compounds that would affect the protein. This also provides a nice steric chamber for the peptide to reside in. So it’s a happy turtle

    Neurological research has shown that utilizing PEGylated MGF resulted in a longer more stable acting version of the MGF peptide in serum/blood.

    Bottom line
    PEGylation can improve performance and dosing convenience of peptides, proteins, antibodies, oligonucleotides and many small molecules by optimizing pharmacokinetics, increasing bioavailability, and decreasing immunogenicity and dosing frequency. PEGylation also can increase therapeutic efficacy by enabling increased drug concentration, improved biodistribution, and longer dwell time at the site of action. As a result, therapeutic drug concentrations can be achieved with less frequent dosing—a significant benefit to patients who are taking injected drugs.

    The PEG itself does not react in the body and is very safe. PEG has been approved by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) as a base or vehicle for use in foods and cosmetics and in injectable, topical, rectal and nasal pharmaceutical formulations. PEG has demonstrated little toxicity, is eliminated intact by the kidneys or in the feces and lacks immunogenicity. The risk associated with current PEGylated drugs are due to the way the drug itself acts not the PEG. MGF, as it is being currently sold, is getting a bad rep from people due to the fact they feel that they are not seeing gains from it. Many people believe that the use of MGF in their cycles or protocols just flat out won't work, however, this is far from the truth.
    More MGF information
    Complete Overview of MGF or IGF-IEc

    From its sequence, MGF is derived from the IGF-I gene by alternative splicing and has different 3' exons to the liver or systemic type (IGF-IEa). It has a 49 base pair insert in the human, and a 52 base pair insert in rodents, within the E domain of exon 5. This insert results in a reading frame shift, with a different carboxy (C) terminal sequence to that of systemic IGF-IEa. MGF and the other IGF isoforms have the same 5' exons that encode the IGF-I ligand-binding domain. Processing of pro-peptide yields a mature peptide that is involved in upregulating protein synthesis. However, there is evidence that the carboxy-terminal of the MGF peptide also acts as a separate growth factor. This stimulates division of mononucleated myoblasts or satellite (stem) cells, thereby increasing the number available for local repair

    During the early stage of skeletal muscle development, myoblasts (muscle stem cells) fuse to form syncytial myotubes, which become innervated and develop into muscle fibres. Thereafter, mitotic proliferation of nuclei within the muscle fibres ceases. However, during postnatal (after development) growth, additional nuclei are provided by satellite cells (myoblast) fusing with myotubules. Muscle damage-recovery seems to have a similar cellular mechanism, in that satellite cells become activated and fuse with the damaged muscle fibres (reviewed by Goldring et al. 2002). This is also pertinent to certain diseases such as muscular dystrophy in which muscle tissue is not maintained and which have been associated with a deficiency in active satellite (stem) cells (Megeney et al. 1996; Seale & Rudnicki, 2000) and in myogenic factors (Heslop et al. 2000). Skeletal muscle mass and regenerative capacity have also been shown to decline with age (Sadeh, 1988; Carlson et al. 2001). The reduced capacity to regenerate in older muscle seems to be due to the decreased ability to activate satellite cell proliferation (Chakravarthy et al. 2000). The markedly lower expression of MGF in older rat muscles (Owino et al. 2001) and human muscle (Hameed et al. 2003) in response to mechanical overload has been associated with the failure to activate satellite cells, leading to age-related muscle loss (Owino et al. 2001). Your muscle cels can not grow once they have reached a certain size unless they obtain more nuclei from the myoblast. MGF increases the myblast available to donate their nuclei to the adult muscle cell.
    “MGF appears to have a dual action in that, like the other IGF-I isoforms, it upregulates protein synthesis as well as activating satellite cells. However, the latter role of MGF is probably more important as most of the mature IGF-I will be derived from IGF-IEa during the second phase of repair. Nevertheless, it has been shown that MGF is a potent inducer of muscle hypertrophy in experiments in which the cDNA of MGF was inserted into a plasmid vector and introduced by intramuscular injection. This resulted in a 20 % increase in the weight of the injected muscle within 2 weeks, and the analyses showed that this was due to an increase in the size of the muscle fibres (Goldspink, 2001). Similar experiments by other groups have also been carried out using a viral construct containing the liver type of IGF-I, which resulted in a 25 % increase in muscle mass, but this took over 4 months to develop (Musaro et al. 2001). Hence, the dual role MGF plays in inducing satellite cell activation as well as protein synthesis suggests it is much more potent than the liver type or IGF-IEa for inducing rapid hypertrophy.”

    These results are based on actual transplantation of the DNA coding for the peptides. This is a permanent effect and much more potent than IM injections of the peptide itself. You will not see a 20% increase in muscle mass through IM injections as claimed above.
  29. Re: PEGylated MGF Profile


    PEGylated MGF dosing Protocols

    The PEGylated version is going to be much longer lasting making a 1-2 dose per week procedure possible. I still think its best used with IGF or AAS to maximize the benefits so here are some sample protocols

    Once a week PEG MGF/ IGF
    Sunday 100-300 mcg MGF you can choose to site inject if you wish. I think splitting large doses may benefit.
    Monday –Fri IGF 50mcg e/d

    Twice a week PEG MGF / IGF
    Sunday and Wed MGF 50-150 mcg
    MT, ThF IGF 50 mcg

    These protocols are just to start as this is brand new feel free to tweak them if you like. I will update them after we have done some testing.
  30. Re: PEGylated MGF Profile


    Is the Igf-1 totally necessary? Or can we just run MGF on it's on?
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