help with my igf and aas cycle construction

[stumbras]

My updated cycle log http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle...rol-cycle.html

ok guys i need help with construction of my cycle within my resources
i know that everybody gona recomend to run test, but for now i dont have it and dont want to run it
i know its a lot of orals, but i am not planing to use orals for more than 5 weeks

so my resources are:
igf 5 mg
dianabol
winstrol
metoxy TST
metoxy TRN
clenbuterol
nolva
arimidex
toremifene
finasteride
lots of milk thistle
and other liver protection
cholestorol suport supplements

so what you suggest to do it with all this stuff
i have my own ideas but i want to know yours
apreciate your time and help

[same_old]

goals? experience?

[LakeMountD]

goals? experience?

bump

cant help ya if we dont know what youre lookin for

[idunk42]

Well you might as well X-out the dbol and winstrol unless you put some test in there.

[anabolicandre]

Thats a lot of IGF.... many possibilities but d-bol and winstrol def supress you way to much to run it solo without test.

but yea experience, and goals with this cycle.

[Beelzebub]

so what you suggest to do it with all this stuff
i have my own ideas but i want to know yours
apreciate your time and help

hold on to it until you get test.

[stumbras]

ok guys i am almost 25 years old 5.7 170 lbs i would say low body fat ( i can see my six pack)
i did one superdrol 4 week cycle gain about 10
another 5 week superdrol and pfera plex
gain about 10 lb
and recently (8 days ago i finished) igf 20 days 50mcg cycle, kept the same weight, but got a bit more vascular

so my goals is to add at least 12 lb of quality mass

i know what using dianabol i am gona gain a lot of weight, but most of it gona be water so i thought i would incorporate winstrol in order not to get to much bloated and keep real gains, i would use arimidex during cycle to avoid estrogen and i am thinking to run igf with it to, but i am not sure then
during the cycle or pct
or both

[stumbras]

hold on to it until you get test.

so you think other ways would be a waist

what about metoxy tst - is it worth anything ( it was advertised like oral test replacement)

the real reason i dont want to include test couse i dont want do injections with oil and big needles ( i like igf cause it small needles 30g no pain no marks lumps)

one of my ftiend did test cycle and he had huge lumps and one time even infection

so i dont know if i am gona do test e i would like to pin it just once a week is it possible

[idunk42]

There is no replacement for test. If your friend got some kind of infection he either didnt take precautions before injection or got some bunk gear. Its your best bet to get some test if you plan on using the dbol/winstrol.

[stumbras]

so my best bet would be test enthante
and with my weight a gues 300 mg a week should be enought
how many weeks should i run it, lets say i would preloud it with dianabol 3 weeks 25 mg

and what about winstrol should i include it

how to incorporate igf into this
i know what hgh would be helpfull to but maybe next time

[idunk42]

Take a look at this:

wk 1-12 500mg test E (2 250mg shots per week- mon &thurs.)
wk 1-4 dbol @ 30mgs/day

Then I would run the igf the first 4 weeks of your cycle, and then run another cycle of the igf during your pct. I would save the winstrol for another cycle, cuz you dont wanna run too much stuff at once for a first test cycle. Also dont forget to wait 2 weeks after your last injection before you start your PCT.

[stumbras]

ok guys i found article which says:

but IGF1 seems to make gains on a cycle stick with virtually no post cycle loss. Every bodybuilder I've spoken with seems to think this for some reason. Most of them use drugs like Anadrol or Dianabol with it because of the amount of size attained with these drugs. The usual draw back to these drugs is that in most users there is a post cycle "crash" that occurs, so the reasoning is to toss IGF1 into the stack and grow larger faster with out the post cycle crash blues.

so i gues somebody used orals with igf

[Beelzebub]

bro. do you somehow think we're lying to you? that we get our kicks out of ****ing with you about what works best?

last time - test. it's all you need. everything else is details.

[idunk42]

We're not saying not to use the orals with the igf. You just need test when using them.

[stumbras]

just ordered some test enth 300/ml

update with my results later

[stumbras]

Take a look at this:

wk 1-12 500mg test E (2 250mg shots per week- mon &thurs.)
wk 1-4 dbol @ 30mgs/day

Then I would run the igf the first 4 weeks of your cycle, and then run another cycle of the igf during your pct. I would save the winstrol for another cycle, cuz you dont wanna run too much stuff at once for a first test cycle. Also dont forget to wait 2 weeks after your last injection before you start your PCT.

sounds good for me should i add arimidex 0.25 ED in order to avoid estrogen and
i would add winstrol 50mg ED last 3 weeks to harden the gains and get more vascular

and what kind of gains should i expect from this cycle
as far I understand i would be on test for ****ing 3.5 months that scares me......
the longest i been ON was 5 weeks superdrol and pfera cycle and i gained ten pounds

what kind of sides should i expect
i got alkinds of pct products, but i want to be safe as possible

[anabolicandre]

I would add the winny the last 4 weeks IF you have the test.

Dude, the only time it scares me is when I wanna bone anything that walks, bc thats what test does to you. You feel fantastic. Other than the bloat some get(which you seem to have your AI's in check) test is the best experience you will have with AAS.

[stumbras]

so ok
1-12 test 500
1-4 d-bol 30
1-4 igf 50
9-12 winy 50
pct
toremifene 3 weeks
igf 4 weeks 50

should i add arimidex during the cycle, cuz i think i am prone to gyno ( had extreely sensitive niples during my sd cycle)

[Beelzebub]

i would recommend nolva first. if that doesn't work, adex or letro gets called into play. a little bloat never hurt anyone, a little gyno however needs to be taken care of.

your cycle outline above looks fine. only thing i would change if you're up for it is to time the winny out so you start PCT the day after your last winny dose. so, you basically shift it forward two weeks 11-14. two of those weeks while you're on test, the other two while you're waiting for the testenan to clear. just an idea, but i highly doubt it'll change your cycle results with whatever way you do it. PCT is where the money is at. eat more, reduce volume, etc.

[stumbras]

i would recommend nolva first. if that doesn't work, adex or letro gets called into play. a little bloat never hurt anyone, a little gyno however needs to be taken care of.

your cycle outline above looks fine. only thing i would change if you're up for it is to time the winny out so you start PCT the day after your last winny dose. so, you basically shift it forward two weeks 11-14. two of those weeks while you're on test, the other two while you're waiting for the testenan to clear. just an idea, but i highly doubt it'll change your cycle results with whatever way you do it. PCT is where the money is at. eat more, reduce volume, etc.

sounds good, that makes sence with winy 11-14
thanks