Lion IGF test results

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  1. Exclamation lion exposed yet again

    for those of you that use lion products, here's another warning to stay away.

    posted by liftsiron:

    Lion's IGF-1

    It was tested by a ph.d chemist at an indepedant lab, here is what was found.

    The test is conclusive. There is BSA in the IGF-1 and a buttload of it! The lighter signal for HSA may come from the cross-reactivity I mentioned (very likely).

    We also tested it to see if it was

    1. receptor grade
    2. human IGF-1.

    There was initially some ambiguity as to whether some of the IGF was porcine (pig) because of some slight cross reactivities. The diluted experiment clarified that. It is human and it is receptor grade. unfortunately, we ran out of sample before we could do the diluted run to determine if the HSA signal was just cross reactivity related or if there is actually a little HSA in there along with the gobs of BSA. I am 99% certain there is no HSA and here is why:

    Pharmaceutical preps of IGF-1 do exist but they are the whole intact protein, not just the binding region (receptor grade). No receptor grade IGF or other receptor grade protein was ever developed for human use or even animal use. Receptor grade proteins are strictly used to determine binding constants and stuff like that in a petre dish. Since receptor grade was never intended for human use, it is produced in growth medium that contains BSA as a stabilizer (BSA is cheap). There would be no incentive to use more expensive HSA to stabilize something not intended for human use. When it was lyophylized (freeze dried), the BSA was included to stabilize the LR3 IGF-1. Without it, the IGF-1 would just fall apart in storage.

    Lion does not make this stuff. There are only a handful of places that do make it (5 to be exact). He has to buy it from one of those companies. They all likely use BSA to stabilize their product.

    This stuff isn't fit to inject into an animal, little lone a human being.

    I will try to be more clear in my expanation here: Lion's stuff was applied to a plate with BSA antibodies in one column and HSA antibodies in another separate column. When Lion's stuff was applied to antibodies for BSA they lit up like Chernobyl! Definite positive for BSA. There was also a lighter reaction with the HSA antibodies. This was caused by our overloading the sample and causing a little cross reactivity. BSA and HSA are very similar proteins after all.

    Just for argument's sake, let's say that it was HSA and no BSA was present. What we would have seen is the opposite. The HSA antibodies would have lit up brightly and the BSA antibodies would have had a fainter reaction (due to cross-reactivity).

    DO you see what I am saying here? There is absolutely no doubt that Lion's LR3 IGF-1 contains BSA and a LOT of it. 100% sure; stake my life and reputation on it!

    There is some slight chance that there is ALSO a little HSA in it. Since we couldn't do the diluted run, we can't rule that out completely. I really doubt that is the case though. Ultimately though, it doesn't matter. The fact that there are high levels of BSA in it make this product dangerous to life and health. Any small amounts of HSA present won't change that.

    Lion has lied to you and everyone else about nearly every aspect of this product.

    LION SAYS: receptor grade stuff incorporates the whole sequence for IGF-1 with a 13 amino acid side chain to prolong biological half life. It was developed for human use and is the cleanest, best stuff to use for maximum results. (paraphrasing of course)

    THE TRUTH: Receptor grade IGF-1 is not the whole intact protein and was never intended to use in live animals or humans. It does not possess the same biological activity of native IGF-1 and in fact, may actually hinder one from utilizing their own IGF-1. It can only be detrimental to growth; not helpful to it.

    LION SAYS: The diluent he sells is the best one because it contains the binding protein neccesary for stabilizing the IGF-1 (thus the BP in the name). All other diluents are inferior.

    THE TRUTH: The diluent he sells contains no protein of any kind. It is just salt water. The BP in the name simply refers to the grade of saline. Fisher Scientific sells no less than five different grades including USP and BP grades. BP refers to British Pharmacopeia (USP stands for US Pharmacopeia).

    LION SAYS: The product is completely human grade and contains no BSA (as per PM's to Skyefire and myself on Superior Muscle).

    THE TRUTH: The product, in fact, contains an enormous amount of BSA and even if it didn't, it could not be considered "human grade" since receptor grade proteins were not developed for use in ANY living thing, little lone humans.

    Something to keep in mind from one of my earlier posts on this subject. These growth mediums stabilized with BSA contain many more bovine proteins and hormones than just BSA. What they do is just add plain old bovine serum (or fetal bovine calf serum). The serum contains all the proteins and hormones you would expect to find in cow blood. Albumin is just the major protein fraction found in blood so there is more of that than any of the others. There is still going to be things like bovine insulin, bovine growth hormone, etc. A similar danger of immune response exists for all of these bovine proteins; not just the BSA.

    Remember, mice injected with HSA DIE WITHIN 4 OR 5 DAYS due to massive hemmorages in their kidneys. This is due to an immune response where they begin forming antibodies to mouse serum albumin. This causes their blood to start clotting all over the place. Apparently, this first happens in their kidneys and the blood clots rupture blood vessels and they bleed to death before further immune response can clot the rest of their blood up. Looks pretty damn painful actually.....

  2. Re: lion exposed yet again

    as always, go with the trusted! Thanks, Beelz.

  3. Re: lion exposed yet again

    Who is lion?
  4. Re: lion exposed yet again

    I had a hunch those guys were not right. THANK YOU BEELZE!

    I do pity those guys paying up to 300$ /mg for "True receptor grade" Ugh...
  5. Re: lion exposed yet again

    What the hell does all that mean? Other than Lion is a bad dealer....

  6. Re: lion exposed yet again

    Quote Originally Posted by jmh80
    What the hell does all that mean? Other than Lion is a bad dealer....
    Stop it bro, we'll start thinking it's really you in the avy...

    Seriously bro, I don't get all of the details either, but the gist of it is... Lion's a bad dealer, just like you said.

    Gawd I like this editing feature.
  7. Re: lion exposed yet again

    I wish I had a chest that big.
  8. Re: lion exposed yet again

    from SB:

    Prions are suspected in Alzheimers, MadCow, and the like as brain destroying materials. The problem is that the body can be exposed to them, they lay dormant, and when you are 50 BAMMMM...dementia.
  9. Re: lion exposed yet again

    So is the IGF-1 LR3 we bought from board sponsors going to **** us when we're 50?
  10. Re: lion exposed yet again

    lion isn't a board sponsor

    used to be though, couple years back.
  11. Re: lion exposed yet again

    Quote Originally Posted by Beelzebub
    lion isn't a board sponsor

    used to be though, couple years back.
    Even back then he wasn't a sponsor..
  12. Re: lion exposed yet again

    Quote Originally Posted by Beelzebub
    lion isn't a board sponsor

    used to be though, couple years back.
    I think I remember when their products were sold by some of the board sponsors here.

    And damn Beelz... I hope I never piss you off and meet you in a dark alley....
  13. Re: lion exposed yet again

    lion is the rizzer of research chems.

    *to be fair, I never had any hideous probs at Smi2le (aside from some extremely lethargic shipping), but I know of the horror stories...
  14. Re: lion exposed yet again

    If taste is any indication, their Nolva is WAAAY underdosed, if dosed at all.
  15. Re: lion exposed yet again

    hmm hows their nolva? I used it for a pct + atd and recovery seemed oftly slow.
  16. Re: lion exposed yet again

    Quote Originally Posted by TheCrownedOne
    If taste is any indication, their Nolva is WAAAY underdosed, if dosed at all.
    Any research chem you need to squirt 10x in your mouth isn't worth buying IMO..
  17. Re: lion exposed yet again

    okay, this is beginning to make sense wonder why my pct seemed useless.
  18. Re: lion exposed yet again

    their is nolva is hit or miss. out of 3 bottles, 2 were bad.

    bigpete, my bad. was it PN that carried their products for a while? it's been a while.
  19. Re: lion exposed yet again

    Their nolva sucks, it was the first nolva I ever ran after a M1T cycle... Peppermint flavored must have meant no nolva at all, because I was still screwed up after that bottle.

    Hey beelz I posted a nice review on lionnutrion website since I still had my account there regarding the igf
  20. Re: lion exposed yet again

    lol, doesn't change much. their bad practices have already given them a horrible rep. i don't see any way possible they can ever bounce back.
  21. Re: lion exposed yet again

    Quote Originally Posted by Beelzebub
    lol, doesn't change much. their bad practices have already given them a horrible rep. i don't see any way possible they can ever bounce back.
    hey here is an idea!! GO TO SLEEP!!!

    How is that chest going to heal if your up all the time!!
  22. Re: lion exposed yet again

    dude, it's 7:45am here. i'm leaving for school in 10 mins. i'm doing rehab on it with 5lbs disks in the gym. it's barely sore anymore, but it won't be ready for any serious weight any time soon.
  23. Re: lion exposed yet again

    Ok BSA bad

    HSA good? Me got that right I thunk

    I am confused about the receptor vs. media grade...

    Receptor grade is not fit for humans?

    And your comment on prions ... Is that referring to mad cow disease..or that igflr3 is not good.

    What is HSA and BSA?

    If only 5 pharmas are making this stuff and only using BSA? Where is the stuff fit for Humans?
  24. Re: lion exposed yet again

    I think that means that the so-called "receptor grade IGF-1" isn't actually IGF-1, but just the part of IGF-1 that connects to the receptors... Wait... I think these are insulin receptors... Not sure... Anyways... So it isn't even the complete IGF-1 amino acid sequence.

    The media grade Long R3 IGF-1 isn't made for humans either, but it IS the whole IGF-1 sequence, elongated and modified so as to avoid being neutralized by IGFBP, giving is a much longer half-life. I do believe this is heavily used in animals and thus generally considered theoretically safe to use in humans although obviously no one in their right mind would inject a veterinary product in a human being.

    So finally, media grade is good, receptor grade is bad. Because so-called "receptor grade" isn't IGF-1 in the first place. That it contains prions is immaterial once you know that, as you should throw any "real receptor grade" IGF-1 in the toilet, given that it isn't IGF-1. Or better yet, get your money back. With apologies.

    Of course prions are BAD for you and there are prions in all of the so-called receptor grade IGF-1, as per this article.
  25. Re: lion exposed yet again

    Thanks again grunt your da man. Looks like I have some reading to do on prions.


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