- 07-31-2005, 01:01 AM
- 07-31-2005, 09:32 PM
07-31-2005, 11:52 PM
08-01-2005, 01:30 PM
it's in an injectable solution, you can ask him to put it in a transdermal for you though, ask for him to put it in Benzyl Alcohol
08-01-2005, 02:01 PM
08-01-2005, 03:05 PM
08-01-2005, 03:18 PM
Isn't this the stuff that allegedly grows humongous amounts of muscle in no time when injected IM and triggers massive apoptosis of adipocytes when used transdermally?
08-01-2005, 05:01 PM
And also causes explosive diarrhea and massive intestinal cramping.
Not to mention EXTREMELY painful injections.
Nonetheless, I'm intrigued about it. I think I'll probably opt to learn the hard way about this one. Sounds like it could be good for use during PCT.
Transdermally it doesn't sound too bad though.
08-01-2005, 05:13 PM
Exactly. I mean, if you're going to cut, you might as well get rid of the adipocyte at the same time, as it makes fat re-gain that much more difficult. Few supps achieve that.
08-02-2005, 03:58 AM
Didnt work to well for me as a trans-D. I ended up injecting it for the greater part of my brief cycle. Been considering trying again without wasting any on the trans-D. Not sure what to have him mix it in for injections. (if raw the doses would be fractions of a unit and almost impossible to dose). The BA did the job as an injectable, but I wonder if some of the site soreness could have been reduced by using something else. I have no idea if it can mix in BW or not.
08-02-2005, 10:20 AM
I think this molecule is pretty fragile, if one RUBS the stuff, does the molecule survive?
IGF-1 degrades in BW, but it's OK to mix it with BW in the syringe just prior to injecting. I would IMAGINE the same thing to be true with PGF-2. I mean, if it will immediately go to waste the moment it touches some water, what will happen once in the body? POOF? I'd say go for it...
08-02-2005, 01:38 PM
It's very stable even at room temperature... Actually when I asked about it myself, before ordering, he specifically told me not to keep it in a fridge. I've only taken one test poke to my right bicep so far, and did not find it painful at all.. but then again it was just 1mg. I did get queasy though, and my stomach started doing some funky shiet, but I never did end up needing to visit the toilet.. although, I imagine a stronger dose would of changed that quite easily.
08-21-2005, 09:48 AM
SO hows that PGF2a cycle working out for you? Its been almost 3 weeks so I thought Id see what the 411 was w/ you.Originally Posted by Poobah
08-21-2005, 09:56 AM
Well it was an experiment... I took a few shots to my biceps... no injection pain what so ever... Which after all the reading I've done, was quite surprising... makes me wonder of TLR's PGF is legit. It made me fairly sick though, but didn't send me running for the bathroom, just made my stomach turn over quite a bit.
I dropped the pgf from my cycle though.. I have to much other stuff going on, and I didn't like dealing with the upset stomach.. Not that it was that bad, it's just I'm doing plenty enough as it is.. hgh/igf/tren/test.
08-22-2005, 02:44 PM
Since this seems to be a lot better than igf-1 and cheaper I am also vvery interested in it. My question is, is this a legal supp to buy like igf-1 is? If so, does a sponser carry it on this board (I doubt it).
08-22-2005, 02:58 PM
It's not a supplement but a "research chemical" I don't know about it being BETTER than IGF-1. You're supposed to pin a few times a day, which means you're sick ALL THE TIME. How you gonna eat?
I think the only way this is good is transdermal. Very good that way but all it does is fat loss. Localized adipocyte apoptosis is very useful IMO.
08-22-2005, 03:34 PM
I'm thinking I'm going to ... investigate ... TL's PGF2a. Unless there is a less expensive and/or more reliable research chem site which sells it.
08-22-2005, 03:35 PM
08-22-2005, 11:12 PM
Jeez why would anyone ever buy TL's stuff then?!
TL charges like 5 times what you can easily get it for!
08-23-2005, 06:35 PM
08-23-2005, 07:05 PM
hey null, if you do end up using this, post a good log. Im interested in this, but am wondering if it is needed to do multiple day injections. I havent fully researched this so I am not sure.
08-23-2005, 11:06 PM
Hmm, not as easy as I thought. All the vet places seem to ask for prescription info to be faxed to them.Originally Posted by ss01
08-24-2005, 12:01 AM
08-24-2005, 04:20 AM
08-26-2005, 07:56 AM
Im not familiar with TD. Or at least if I am then Im not snapping as to what the acronym refers to.
Im looking into getting 2 or 3 more vials of TL's pgf2a as well as some humalog. It will be my first experience with slin. Im thinking of using the slin for just the last week of my AAS cycle and then continue during PCT whilst adding the pgf2a along with my other regular pct ancillaries.(HCG, nolva, rebound XT, and either LR3 IGF1 or P-GH.) Ive read a few pgf reports that support the idea of a synergystic effect of slin and pgf2 similar to the synergy of AAS and slin. (only via increased androgen receptor number and sensitivety but without the increase in circulating androgens). Im hoping this will help me to possibly add some muscle during PCT instead of loosing it. My AAS cyle has been a cutting cycle, and though I still havent reached my fatloss goals, I feel that Ive been on for a while and would be prudent to cycle off. Im hoping that the adipocyte killing effect of the PGF will off set any possible fat gains from the slin. I will drop my beta 2 agonists, (toggling between Albuterol, clen, and ephedrine) being that they are known to lower insulin sensitivity. As is T3 wich I have also been taking, and havent decided if its worth taking during this pct protocol, being that it lowers insulin sensitivity. My goal still being to maintain and or build lean mass while cutting. Im currently doing a cylical ketogenic diet, but that will have to change most likely to accomodate daily slin injections.
08-26-2005, 09:26 AM
I think that by TD he means transdermal. I do believe that the adipocyte-killing effect is only achieved through transdermal application.
08-30-2005, 12:42 AM
Well TL just informed me that the insulin lispro (humalog) is discontinued, so unless some one knows somewhere else to get it for my research then I will have to settle for humulin-R through one of those diabetes websites. (I think they require a script for humalog but not humulin-r.) But the PGF-2a seems good to go. I just need to get my money order.
I believe the adipocyte killing effects do occur with injection, as the triglicerydes are part of the fueling mechanism. However I dont know if the effect is site specific, Im afraid it is, wich is a problem if you want to get rid of naval fat, as the the intestinal cramping would be intense. So if thats the case it would only be helpful if you want to get rid of fat around your arms or shoulders or wherever.
10-27-2005, 06:07 PM
Does anyone have any info on this? I couldn't find much. And why only as a transdermal?Originally Posted by ss01
10-31-2005, 06:27 PM
10-31-2005, 06:58 PM
And sticking the bottle up your ass makes you grow wings.
Show me studies that say it actually causes apoptisis of adipocytes. Where did this info stem from... someone make it up or is there truth.
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