- 04-24-2013, 04:55 PM
- 04-25-2013, 09:03 AM
IGF-DES is stronger and better muscle builder, but its more complicated to use and more costly as its only active about an hour or so.
It really depends on your goals, expectations and other drugs you are going to take with it.
You can get the same results of IGF-1LR3 using just GH or GH peps (GHRP/GHRH) as these increase GH levels, which in turn, signal the liver to release more IGF-1 naturally. Thats where I would start.
- 04-25-2013, 10:35 AM
04-25-2013, 03:36 PM
IGF-1LR3 at lower doses 20-100mcg you get good pump, increase appetite without weight gain, leaning out effect, hardening effect, more vascular. As the IGF-1LR3 dose is raised over 100mcg though you can get tired feeling, super pumped cramping like feeling, head aches and really hungry or eating every 2 hours.
I did 150mcg a few times and got head aches, tiredness and general feeling like crap. But thats at a super high dose.
I think of dose of 50mcg/ed for 20 days (which is just one 1 mg vial) is where its at. And with some of this stuff more is not better.
04-25-2013, 07:20 PM
04-25-2013, 08:20 PM
you need to maximize your muscle growth with steroids first.
Then add in GH peptides or GH and maximize.
Then you can think of using IGF, but IGF without MGF is almost pointless if your really trying to create new muscle cells.
And you will maximize none of these until you become an expert at nutrition and timing of calories and chemical compounds.
04-25-2013, 08:35 PM
04-25-2013, 08:51 PM
If you want help with diet or steroid cycles, just post in those sections. Those are going to give you biggest bang for the buck all the other stuff is just the next level once you maxed out your potential on level one.
04-25-2013, 08:56 PM
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