GH with T3 Cycle - Require Experts Opinion / Help

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by salmanmah View Post
    Ok, i'll reduce carbs intake and will add test from new year. By the way what is the minimum dose of test i need per week?
    Oh and one more thing. Do at least 10-12 week cycle.


  2. : ) bull head thanks for your helpful advices, in fact i have changed my mind to add test in cycle at that point, what i am planning to add anavar for 8 weeks with HGH and last 8 weeks i'll add test cyp.
    Right now i am taking 12.5 mcg t3 and i reduced it to 12.5mcg from 25mcg, i'll run t3 for another one and half week then exclude t3 from cycle. Then take one week rest (because i have to fly in last week of january for another country)
    Will come back in feb and start 3iu hgh with 40 mg anavar daily for 8 weeks and then i'll add test in my cycle for 12 weeks and thats it. Please advice...
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by salmanmah View Post
    : ) bull head thanks for your helpful advices, in fact i have changed my mind to add test in cycle at that point, what i am planning to add anavar for 8 weeks with HGH and last 8 weeks i'll add test cyp.
    Right now i am taking 12.5 mcg t3 and i reduced it to 12.5mcg from 25mcg, i'll run t3 for another one and half week then exclude t3 from cycle. Then take one week rest (because i have to fly in last week of january for another country)
    Will come back in feb and start 3iu hgh with 40 mg anavar daily for 8 weeks and then i'll add test in my cycle for 12 weeks and thats it. Please advice...
    I didn't understand that. Did you mean your going to run test cyp for 8 weeks then take week off and run it for another 12 weeks????

  4. Quote Originally Posted by salmanmah View Post
    : ) bull head thanks for your helpful advices, in fact i have changed my mind to add test in cycle at that point, what i am planning to add anavar for 8 weeks with HGH and last 8 weeks i'll add test cyp.
    Right now i am taking 12.5 mcg t3 and i reduced it to 12.5mcg from 25mcg, i'll run t3 for another one and half week then exclude t3 from cycle. Then take one week rest (because i have to fly in last week of january for another country)
    Will come back in feb and start 3iu hgh with 40 mg anavar daily for 8 weeks and then i'll add test in my cycle for 12 weeks and thats it. Please advice...
    Dude, you need to do more homework before you start talking about a cycle -- just looking out for you, not trying to criticize. It sounds like you're making a salad or frittada -- a little bit of this, then a little bit of that, mix it around, wait awhile and in 20 minutes you'll have a great breakfast.

    3iu of HGH a day is BARE MINIMUM to see any results in the first 6 months, first of all. Do 5iu 5 days a week and take two off. Secondly, if you have no idea what kind of Test you want to take then I'm guessing you don't know much about different esters and their half lives. Which tells me you probably don't have a plan to control Estrogen; you probably don't have a plan to keep your ball sack from turning into a raisin; and I haven't even heard you say ANYTHING about PCT.

    If you want to set goals you won't achieve, have "some" results that you'll be mostly satisfied with, only to lose them in the 4-6 weeks after you're done with your cycle, definitely follow your plan.

    Now, if you want to take some time to do some research, come back and tell us why you think you like one test ester over another, what you think you should do during a cycle to keep you nuts healthy and prevent you from getting male boobies, and what you think you should do when you're done (PCT) to keep your gains. I'd be happy to provide recommendations or suggestions. But this isn't high school and no one's doing your homework for you.

    One love.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by pisces.style View Post

    Dude, you need to do more homework before you start talking about a cycle -- just looking out for you, not trying to criticize. It sounds like you're making a salad or frittada -- a little bit of this, then a little bit of that, mix it around, wait awhile and in 20 minutes you'll have a great breakfast.

    3iu of HGH a day is BARE MINIMUM to see any results in the first 6 months, first of all. Do 5iu 5 days a week and take two off. Secondly, if you have no idea what kind of Test you want to take then I'm guessing you don't know much about different esters and their half lives. Which tells me you probably don't have a plan to control Estrogen; you probably don't have a plan to keep your ball sack from turning into a raisin; and I haven't even heard you say ANYTHING about PCT.

    If you want to set goals you won't achieve, have "some" results that you'll be mostly satisfied with, only to lose them in the 4-6 weeks after you're done with your cycle, definitely follow your plan.

    Now, if you want to take some time to do some research, come back and tell us why you think you like one test ester over another, what you think you should do during a cycle to keep you nuts healthy and prevent you from getting male boobies, and what you think you should do when you're done (PCT) to keep your gains. I'd be happy to provide recommendations or suggestions. But this isn't high school and no one's doing your homework for you.

    One love.
    Agree with you in all that. But have one question. Isn't it better to build the HGH dose up? Start at 2iu and build it up to 5iu gradually. If it is good HGH and the guy starts at 5iu he is going to suffer.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by salmanmah View Post
    Thanks alwaysfirst and bullhead for yours valuable comments,
    Aside bullhead! I am 32 years old, weight 80kg, height 5' 8", waist line 32" and body fat ratio i don't know.
    I did one bulking cycle 2 years back with test eth+deca+equpise and had very good result in terms of muscle gain in 2 months. Last year i did one cutting cycle with test+masteron+tren acc again for two months and had great result in terms of definition beside my abs.
    Now my goal is to reduce lower abs fat and gain some quality muscles for abs (yeah i am looking for a packs) so i have started HGH with t3 in order to achieve my goal, i am using it from last 3 weeks now my waist line reduced and now i can wear 29" jeans with no problem whereas my weight is still on 80kg,
    i am looking expert advice in order to find out the way forward towards my goal, i checked with market t4 and t3/t4 combo is not available in this region so i choses t3 with HGH.
    Initially i plan to run this routine for 3 months (2 ih gh daily with 25mcg t3) but some experts told me to extend my gh cycle for at least 6 month so i bought more hgh.
    I did not order test now so kindly suggest the best suitable plan for me, i am on very controlled and clean diet and my workout routine is five days in week, 30 mins cardio, 20 mins full body weight exercise and then abs exercise for another 20mins and then 15 mins suana bath. Thats it,,
    Did u really do tren a in your second cycle?

  7. Yeah i did..

  8. Quote Originally Posted by salmanmah View Post
    Yeah i did..
    Bold. How did it go. Most people don't do tren till like their 10th cycle. It's the most potent of all aas. Too many bad sides.

  9. I did not notice any side every thing went very fine and found very good muscle definition on my shoulder, chest, bicep and legs that was awesome cycle....

  10. Brother not to be mean, but you gotta do a lot more research into this before you plan another cycle. You seem a little confused as to how to run a cycle. There are tons of articles online about cycles. I would forget the first 2 cycles you did and start from scratch.

    First thing I would do is get the body fat down to abt 12-14 % range. Then straighten your diet out.

    Then once you get all that in check do a simple cycle. Chose either test e or test c and do a simple 12 week cycle. Look into pct cuz your gonna kill your man parts the way your going.

    Just think about it bro. 2 cycles down and ur still 80kg and still looking to lose belly fat.

    Most people stick to a simple test only cycle for the first 2 cycle. PCT is very very important and keep some A.I at hand to stop gyno and add that to your cycle.

    Multiple compounds doesn't mean better results. And there is no short cut to this stuff bro.

    Diet, cardio and a good workout plan. Keep a diary. Write down ur daily routine. It helps a lot.
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  11. Thanks for yours concern bullhead! But are you talking about my previous cycles? Well maybe i used tren in my second was wrong i did not notice any significant sides however its true that i did not had a enough research at that time so its over.
    Now coming to the point that i am almost half past to my current cycle so what i your opinion about it, yeah i know that hgh and anavar is costly but my research told me that its safe as compare to other compounds sides so keeping that thing in mind i decided to go with below mentioned cycle and i love to see your comments on this:

    1 week to 4 week: 2IU HGH with 25mcg T3 (already completed this phase)

    5th week to 6th week: 2IU HGH with 12.5Mcg T3
    (Because i want to stop T3 so gradually reduced its dose)

    7th week: Take one week rest without any workout, HGH and any other compound with controlled diet.
    (Because i have to travel abroad)

    8th week: 2IU HGH with 20mg Anavar
    9th week: 2IU HGH with 30mg Anavar
    10th to 14th week: 3IU HGH with 40mg Anavar
    15th to 17th week: 4IU HGH with 60mg Anavar
    18th to 21 week: 4IU HGH with Test Cyp 2ml / week
    22nd to 25th: 5IU HGH with Test Cyp 3ml/week
    26th to 30th: 5IU HGH with Test Cyp 2ml/week

    Advice me!

  12. I wouldn't do Anavar without test, do them together or at least start test half way in Anavar cycle. Also I would do the last 4 weeks of hgh in PCT, you got one right?

  13. Quote Originally Posted by alwaysfirst View Post
    I wouldn't do Anavar without test, do them together or at least start test half way in Anavar cycle. Also I would do the last 4 weeks of hgh in PCT, you got one right?
    You Mean add test from 10th week till 21 week? Like below

    10th to 14th week: 3IU HGH with 40mg Anavar and test 2ml / week
    15th to 17th week: 4IU HGH with 60mg Anavar and test cyp 3ml / week
    18th to 21 week: 4IU HGH with Test Cyp 4ml / week
    22nd to 25th: 5IU HGH with Test Cyp 2ml/week
    26th to 30th: 5IU HGH PCT

    Does it make sense?? Kindly comment on test dosage / quantity..

  14. Quote Originally Posted by salmanmah View Post
    Thanks for yours concern bullhead! But are you talking about my previous cycles? Well maybe i used tren in my second was wrong i did not notice any significant sides however its true that i did not had a enough research at that time so its over.
    Now coming to the point that i am almost half past to my current cycle so what i your opinion about it, yeah i know that hgh and anavar is costly but my research told me that its safe as compare to other compounds sides so keeping that thing in mind i decided to go with below mentioned cycle and i love to see your comments on this:

    1 week to 4 week: 2IU HGH with 25mcg T3 (already completed this phase)

    5th week to 6th week: 2IU HGH with 12.5Mcg T3
    (Because i want to stop T3 so gradually reduced its dose)

    7th week: Take one week rest without any workout, HGH and any other compound with controlled diet.
    (Because i have to travel abroad)

    8th week: 2IU HGH with 20mg Anavar
    9th week: 2IU HGH with 30mg Anavar
    10th to 14th week: 3IU HGH with 40mg Anavar
    15th to 17th week: 4IU HGH with 60mg Anavar
    18th to 21 week: 4IU HGH with Test Cyp 2ml / week
    22nd to 25th: 5IU HGH with Test Cyp 3ml/week
    26th to 30th: 5IU HGH with Test Cyp 2ml/week

    Advice me!
    Increase ur HGH by .5 from week 8. Go upto 2.5iu and 10th week 3iu and 12th week 3.5iu and so on till u reach 5iu and stay on that does for the remaining time. If you run test e or test c for 12 weeks with HGH you also get better benefits of both. Don't change ur test c dose during ur cycle. Stick to 500mg a week. I'm assuming ur test is 250mg per ml. Helps keep the side effects down. It's helps keep your levels stable.

    KEEP IT SIMPLE

    Test cyp 500mg per week split into 2 injections mon 250mg and thu 250mg run that for 10-12 weeks.

    Have u sorted ur PCT out yet???? What are u planning to do???

  15. Like Bullhead said, keep it simple and keep the test dose the same during the cycle, also start anavar at 40mg. Do the last month of HGH with PCT.

    Don't forget about PCT

  16. Quote Originally Posted by alwaysfirst View Post
    Like Bullhead said, keep it simple and keep the test dose the same during the cycle, also start anavar at 40mg. Do the last month of HGH with PCT.

    Don't forget about PCT
    Got it and thanks.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by salmanmah View Post

    Got it and thanks.
    What is your PCT???? You still haven't answered that

  18. To be honest i dont have clear idea abut PCT, is it sone thing called post cycle theosophy?? Or does it mean Post Coital Test??
    Previously my trainer gave me some herbal medicine in order to improve the liver function and protect it with expected sides, product name was levi55 if this is called PCT??
    i need your advice and the way forward in this regard for my current cycle.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by bullhead16 View Post
    Agree with you in all that. But have one question. Isn't it better to build the HGH dose up? Start at 2iu and build it up to 5iu gradually. If it is good HGH and the guy starts at 5iu he is going to suffer.
    Yeah, you could be right about this one. I've read some interesting hypotheses recently on aging-related side effects of HGH and I think your approach of starting slow and building up is sound. Thanks for the correction.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by bullhead16 View Post
    Bold. How did it go. Most people don't do tren till like their 10th cycle. It's the most potent of all aas. Too many bad sides.
    Good point, I've refrained from Tren specifically because other dudes I have known to have tried it had some harsh sides. Sweating, bad sleep, etc.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by salmanmah View Post
    I did not notice any side every thing went very fine and found very good muscle definition on my shoulder, chest, bicep and legs that was awesome cycle....
    No sides at all? How much were you dosing again?

  22. Quote Originally Posted by bullhead16 View Post
    Brother not to be mean, but you gotta do a lot more research into this before you plan another cycle. You seem a little confused as to how to run a cycle. There are tons of articles online about cycles. I would forget the first 2 cycles you did and start from scratch.

    First thing I would do is get the body fat down to abt 12-14 % range. Then straighten your diet out.

    Then once you get all that in check do a simple cycle. Chose either test e or test c and do a simple 12 week cycle. Look into pct cuz your gonna kill your man parts the way your going.

    Just think about it bro. 2 cycles down and ur still 80kg and still looking to lose belly fat.

    Most people stick to a simple test only cycle for the first 2 cycle. PCT is very very important and keep some A.I at hand to stop gyno and add that to your cycle.

    Multiple compounds doesn't mean better results. And there is no short cut to this stuff bro.

    Diet, cardio and a good workout plan. Keep a diary. Write down ur daily routine. It helps a lot.

    Bullhead gave you good advice, I'd do exactly what he suggested if I was you. I'll expand on it a little bit; anyone feel free to comment on the suggestions below:

    1) Test E or C ONLY -- I had modest, keepable success with minimal sides at just 250mg once a week for my first cycle but since you're not entirely new, 400-500mgs a week split up into two pins should work great.

    2) Have an aromatase inhibitor to combat gyno if you choose the upper range. You need very LITTLE of it, but you'll need it nonetheless. If you take too much, however, your estrogen levels crash and you'll experience joint pain. Something like .25mg of Anastrazole or Arimidex every 3-4 days once you feel a little itchyness under the nips should be fine to keep it in check. They normally come in 1mg pill and they're tiny; break them up into quarters with a razor and resist temptation to take more than .25mg at a time.

    3) I would add HCG while you're on cycle to keep the twins healthy and speed up recovery when you're off cycle.

    4) Invest time into learning about PCT, then ask advice. Some guys swear by Nolvadex (which I understand you should not use with Tren, fyi) others by clomid. I honestly can't tell you which is better, but based on some research, taking both is redundant and the difference is mininal (again, feel free to correct me here fellas). In my opinion, I like clomid better.

    There's the solid foundation for a good cycle in my amateur experience/opinion. If you want to kick start it with an oral PH or with a fast acting test like prop (because it takes a few weeks for cyp or enan to kick in), go nuts. Your results will be even better. But this is the foundation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by salmanmah View Post
    To be honest i dont have clear idea abut PCT, is it sone thing called post cycle theosophy?? Or does it mean Post Coital Test??
    Previously my trainer gave me some herbal medicine in order to improve the liver function and protect it with expected sides, product name was levi55 if this is called PCT??
    i need your advice and the way forward in this regard for my current cycle.

    Oh boy... Post Cycle Theosophy is a new one...

    I'm starting to think that the Tren you took may not have been TREN but something with the name "Tren" slapped onto it (which is okay man, we all make mistakes and trust people who may not have our best interest in mind when there's money to be made).

  24. Quote Originally Posted by salmanmah View Post
    To be honest i dont have clear idea abut PCT, is it sone thing called post cycle theosophy?? Or does it mean Post Coital Test??
    Previously my trainer gave me some herbal medicine in order to improve the liver function and protect it with expected sides, product name was levi55 if this is called PCT??
    i need your advice and the way forward in this regard for my current cycle.
    Ok this is where it has to stop. PCT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART. PROBABLY MORE THAN THE ACTUAL CYCLE.

    Post Cycle Therapy. This has to be done to get your natural testosterone production back on.

    The way your going my friend you mite as well rip ur penis and balls off with ur bare hands. Cuz they are going to be useless pretty soon.


    I would suggest you stop your cycle and forget about any kind of aas for a while. If you don't know what PCT is your not even close to being ready to do a cycle.

    Cuz your going to lose all the gains you made during the cycle and ur balls are going to look like raisins soon and ur going to grow boobs. Cuz you don't know anything about A.I or PCT.


    Learn these things first and then do a cycle. Not to be rude but It's guys like you that give steroids a bad name.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by salmanmah View Post
    To be honest i dont have clear idea abut PCT, is it sone thing called post cycle theosophy?? Or does it mean Post Coital Test??
    Previously my trainer gave me some herbal medicine in order to improve the liver function and protect it with expected sides, product name was levi55 if this is called PCT??
    i need your advice and the way forward in this regard for my current cycle.

    And if ur trainer put u on the cycle without PCT then it's time to fire that guy and get a new one.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by bullhead16 View Post

    And if ur trainer put u on the cycle without PCT then it's time to fire that guy and get a new one.
    I feel lucky infact because without I still got nice balls nice erections and good lookin tits lol : )
    And did not notice any side from last 2 years..
    Keep one thing in mind that i ran tren cycle 2 years back and i need yours advices about my current cycle which is about HGH and i am planning to add anavar and test cyp later so could you please guide me towards that cycle i already finished 5 weeks with HGH and t3 as mentioned in my previous post.. So what is the way forward as per you guys? I need yours help in order to direct me towards the best possible direction if i don't want to stop my current cycle..

  27. Quote Originally Posted by salmanmah View Post
    I feel lucky infact because without I still got nice balls nice erections and good lookin tits lol : )
    And did not notice any side from last 2 years..
    Keep one thing in mind that i ran tren cycle 2 years back and i need yours advices about my current cycle which is about HGH and i am planning to add anavar and test cyp later so could you please guide me towards that cycle i already finished 5 weeks with HGH and t3 as mentioned in my previous post.. So what is the way forward as per you guys? I need yours help in order to direct me towards the best possible direction if i don't want to stop my current cycle..
    Have you read ANYTHING I wrote? I laid out the whole foundation of a cycle for you, wtf.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by pisces.style View Post

    Have you read ANYTHING I wrote? I laid out the whole foundation of a cycle for you, wtf.
    Think he already has the answer he wants in his head... He is waiting for someone to tell him do this and that.

    I am more than happy to help someone if they are willing to learn. This guy does not want to do any research and he definitely doesn't care about his health. He's looking for the answers he wants to hear. Not the real answers.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by bullhead16 View Post
    Think he already has the answer he wants in his head... He is waiting for someone to tell him do this and that.

    I am more than happy to help someone if they are willing to learn. This guy does not want to do any research and he definitely doesn't care about his health. He's looking for the answers he wants to hear. Not the real answers.
    I hear ya man, same here. At first I felt like an ass for not giving more direct answers and encouraging him to research himself, so when I saw your willingness to help out I figured I'd supplement as well.

    :: time wasted ::

    This guy doesn't even take time to read the replies to his OWN thread, for HIS benefit. He's definitely not going to do any research.

    I'm sure he'll let us know when he gets that first bump under his nipples and starts to panic.

  30. Thanks for yours best wishes guys : ) i'll keep you posted about my progress.
  

  
 

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