OK I am about to do some research using IGF-1

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    OK I am about to do some research using IGF-1


    My newbie questions are as follows:

    1.) When using IM, are the effects localized or systemic? i.e.--if used on the glutes as IM, would research subject get a giant ass, or would the effects be seen throughout the whole musculature?

    2.) Can research be done using Nolvadez, Clomid, and Clen along with IGF-1 during PCT?

    3.) What size pinz are other scientists using in their research to administer the igf-1?

    thank you very very much

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    Quote Originally Posted by wantmoresize
    1.) When using IM, are the effects localized or systemic? i.e.--if used on the glutes as IM, would research subject get a giant ass, or would the effects be seen throughout the whole musculature?
    I believe that when doing IM, one will experience some localized benefit but the effects are generally systemic

    2.) Can research be done using Nolvadez, Clomid, and Clen along with IGF-1 during PCT?
    From what i've read, you should be able to run anything with IGF...

    3.) What size pinz are other scientists using in their research to administer the igf-1?
    Slin pins are best. I just ordered some 31ga slin pins for my experiment.
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    How many mcg would you recommend for a test subject who is 5'11'' 245 about 15% bf??
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    I had read on another forum that NOlvadex blocks IGF in the body-- does this go for exogenous IGF or just naturally-produce IGF?
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    I believe it only effect natty IGF, not exogenous.

    A good starting dose for IGF is 40mcg per day. Some people split up the dose to 20mcg in the AM and 20mcg IM right after workout. Others perfer to go the whole 40mcg right after workout. You can inject IM or sub-q but most do IM as most see localized growth when done IM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sikdogg
    I believe it only effect natty IGF, not exogenous.

    A good starting dose for IGF is 40mcg per day. Some people split up the dose to 20mcg in the AM and 20mcg IM right after workout. Others perfer to go the whole 40mcg right after workout. You can inject IM or sub-q but most do IM as most see localized growth when done IM.
    ok really newb question here--when experimenting-- ihae heard that people do bilateral IM injections on the test subject-- does this mean say, for example, that when IM the bi's or tri's you would do one shot on each side of the body? if so, would you have to change needles going from arm to arm?
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    Yes, any time you poke yourself always do it with a fresh needle.
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    I don't think thats necessary in this situation. It's hard enough as it is to pull out such a small amount of IGF, and you dont want to waste more then you need to in the needle, so I use one slin needle and just wipe with alcohol before injecting the other side.
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    You can do that but it definitely not a best practice... c'mon slin needles cost almost nothing (20 cents at Getpinz) so it's not gonna break the bank to use two. Why risk an infection for 20 cents???
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    Yea use 2 pins if you are doing bilateral injections, Slin pins are already dull enough when going through the IGF top, the BW or B12 top, then through 1 inject, I cant imagine using the same one for yet another inject.
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    After a needle is used once, it looks totally torn up under magnification.
    I wish I could find that pic, but, alas....I'm at work...lol.
    Better to switch I would think.
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    I have used 1 pin for bilateral shots. It works, but it's extremely dull. You have to push pretty damn hard to get in for the second shot. It really is best to use 2 pinz though.
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    You really don't need bilateral shots with LR3 IGF-1 now if you're using rIGF-1 it would be the best way to use it. Since the LR3 has the extra 13 amino acids causing IGF-1 BP to bind poorly to it and a longer half life, so it won't stay at the injection site like rIGF-1. It's the short half life and IGF-1 BP that makes it a good idea to do bilateral injection with rIGF-1.

    I use all quad shots when I use it and didn't get over sized quads, but if you feel like bilateral is the way you want to go, it won't hurt anything. I just don't thing there's that much of an advantage to doing it that way to mess with it. You could inject the muscles worked on one side then switch to the other side on the next w/o, I've never done it, it's just a suggestion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyB
    You could inject the muscles worked on one side then switch to the other side on the next w/o, I've never done it, it's just a suggestion.
    JohnnyB
    If you are doing two injections a day, I wonder if you could just do one side in the morning and the other later in the day. What do you think?
  

  
 

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